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Post by aquagoat on Jun 4, 2019 12:57:53 GMT -5
If you start bringing in new villains, it becomes the Adventures of Luke Skywalker. Which, actually, was a sub-title that was commonly used by Lucasfilm for official Star Wars stories in the late '70s. Forgetting later developments with the prequels and sequel trilogy for a moment, I don't think it's a bad sub-title for the original trilogy. But my point is that SW being little more than the "Adventures of Luke Skywalker" is no bad thing and pretty much how George Lucas himself viewed the franchise, at least initially. I know Lucas used the Adventures of Luke Skywalker initially, that's why I said it. He ditched that when Star Wars became one saga, rather than a series of films set in the same universe.
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Post by aquagoat on Jun 4, 2019 12:59:10 GMT -5
That's exactly it though - Star Wars isn't multiple stories. It's one story, in episodes. It's an entire universe of stories. We just haven't seen most of them. And maybe we won't. And that's probably okay. You're talking about spin-offs. The main story of Star Wars itself - whether you count it as just the original trilogy, episodes I-VI, or I-IX, is one complete story in episodes.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 4, 2019 13:06:11 GMT -5
It's an entire universe of stories. We just haven't seen most of them. And maybe we won't. And that's probably okay. You're talking about spin-offs. The main story of Star Wars itself - whether you count it as just the original trilogy, episodes I-VI, or I-IX, is one complete story in episodes. Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways It's still Star Wars to me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 18, 2019 8:35:29 GMT -5
I got inspired by the special to go back to my epic volume....also, they're actually releasing vol. 4 soon. Incidently, when do we get the official Confessor review on #108? I feel like it's overdue #51 I'm quite certain this would be a new #1 in today's Market.. it feels very much like a new era. Simonson's are is awesome, and we get scenes where all the main players stop what they are doing quite literally to focus on a new threat.. The Tarkin. Love the name, don't love the design.. it kinda looks like a giant's DirecTV rig. That aside, it's a great story. I love seeing Luke doing Jedi stuff, (but nothing crazy).. Vader's scene where he 'encourages' the guy to walk out the air lock is awesome, as is the red shirts getting together to plot against him. There were a couple weird things...The whole scene with C3P0 and Leia seemed off, and that ending panel where the Imperial officers decide to join hands in a circle to chant 'Darth Vader must Die' is super weird, but overall a great issue.
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 18, 2019 10:17:42 GMT -5
Next phase, new wave, dance craze, anyways It's still Star Wars to me. Interesting that you modified lyrics to Billy Joel's "It's Still Rock n Roll To Me" in Star Wars terms, as it was released in May of 1980--a little over a week before The Empire Strikes Back hit theaters. I remember the song played everywhere that Spring, and it always reminds me of seeing TESB for the first time.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 18, 2019 16:46:12 GMT -5
Incidently, when do we get the official Confessor review on #108? I feel like it's overdue You're right, of course. I haven't even bought it yet, so let me go online and remedy that now. Hopefully I'll have a review up next week. Thanks for the nudge. I'll respond to your comments on SW#51 tomorrow, wildfire, when I have a little more time.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 24, 2019 7:35:46 GMT -5
Had a mad busy weekend with work, but finaly getting around to responding to this wildfire2099. #51 I'm quite certain this would be a new #1 in today's Market.. it feels very much like a new era. Hmmmmmm...that's an interesting take on it. I suppose you could be right. I mean, it's a new artist/writer creative team, but at the same time, it's not any different from issue #11 in that respect, when Archie Goodwin and Carmine Infantino came on board. Interesting suggestion though. Simonson's art is awesome, and we get scenes where all the main players stop what they are doing quite literally to focus on a new threat.. The Tarkin. Love the name, don't love the design.. it kinda looks like a giant's DirecTV rig. Yeah, the design of the Tarkin is a bit lacklustre. It's essentially just the superlaser weapon from the Death Star, with some big engines and a lot less battle station around it. I'm guessing that you've read in my review of this issue that originally David Micheline wanted to introduce a second Death Star in this story, but Lucasfilm put the kibosh on that because obviously they had plans for a second Death Star in Return of the Jedi. That aside, it's a great story. I love seeing Luke doing Jedi stuff, (but nothing crazy).. Vader's scene where he 'encourages' the guy to walk out the air lock is awesome, as is the red shirts getting together to plot against him. There were a couple weird things...The whole scene with C3P0 and Leia seemed off, and that ending panel where the Imperial officers decide to join hands in a circle to chant 'Darth Vader must Die' is super weird, but overall a great issue. Yeah, it is a great story (I gave this issue 10 out of 10). I really like the sub-plot about a group of Imperial officers planning to assassinate Darth Vader as revenge for the Dark Lord's penchant for capriciously killing them when they make mistakes. That always felt like an entirely reasonable reaction from these officers. That last panel, where the Imperial's hold hands in a circle, while chanting "Darth Vader must die!" is, as an adult, unintentionally hilarious. But as a kid of 9 or 10, which I was when this issue came out, that was a really shocking development and a hell of a cliff-hanger.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 26, 2019 7:13:34 GMT -5
#52
Unbelievably great cover.. wow!
I didn't like the basic plot though... I had the Silver Age style 'we're Doomed--- wait we're not Doomed! Yay!' ending, and why is Leia suddenly and engineer? That makes NO sense.
The Vader stuff is awesome though, and I agree that the scenes with the officers opening the airlock are fantastic.
I get they can't keep the Tarkin around with a 2nd Death Star coming for RoTJ, but it was way too easy and really, a THIRD superweapon? That's bordering on obsession.
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 26, 2019 8:00:46 GMT -5
I get they can't keep the Tarkin around with a 2nd Death Star coming for RoTJ, but it was way too easy and really, a THIRD superweapon? That's bordering on obsession. It also stretched plot credibility that the Empire had the resources to just whip up another superweapon not long after losing the Death Star, not to mention innumerable staff/soldiers, TIEs, Star Destroyers and other ships that were docked on the DS at the time. One might see and accept long range plans to build a 2nd DS (longer than it took in ROTJ), but anything in-between?
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Post by Confessor on Jun 26, 2019 10:22:18 GMT -5
I didn't like the basic plot though... I had the Silver Age style 'we're Doomed--- wait we're not Doomed! Yay!' ending, and why is Leia suddenly and engineer? That makes NO sense. I admit that it is kinda contrived, but at least Leia explains it by saying that she recalled the Death Star schematics that R2-D2 had carried in the first Star Wars film. That's enough of a "get out" for me to say, Oh, OK then", and it doesn't spoil the issue for me. It's also cool that Leia got to disable the superlaser. There was definitely some poetic justice to that, considering what a similar weapon did to her home planet of Alderaan. I get they can't keep the Tarkin around with a 2nd Death Star coming for RoTJ, but it was way too easy and really, a THIRD superweapon? That's bordering on obsession. It also stretched plot credibility that the Empire had the resources to just whip up another superweapon not long after losing the Death Star, not to mention innumerable staff/soldiers, TIEs, Star Destroyers and other ships that were docked on the DS at the time. One might see and accept long range plans to build a 2nd DS (longer than it took in ROTJ), but anything on-between? I kind of agree, but for me, the fact that Micheline had to downgrade his second Death Star, and instead have the Tarkin be a much smaller battle station, built around the superlaser weapon from the Death Star, makes it more plausible. I mean, there may well have been prototype Death Stars prior to Episode IV- A New Hope, or more than one of the battle station's superlasers built...or maybe the Tarkin's superlaser was a prototype of the one used in the second Death Star in ROTJ? Or maybe the Tarkin was in the design stages prior to the events of A New Hope, as a smaller, less resources depleting alternative to the Death Star? Obviously I'm just pulling stuff out of my arse here, but my point is that, with the Tarkin being an altogether smaller project than a full blown Death Star, maybe the Tarkin's central weapon was just sort of hanging around, so to speak. Myself, I can definitely swallow the Tarkin being built three years after the destruction of the first Death Star, and a year or so before we saw the second, more than I'd be able to swallow three full-sized Death Stars in the Marvel continuity. And that would've been the case had Micheline's original intention for this story been realised.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 26, 2019 21:16:47 GMT -5
True... though they did point out how huge the Tarkin was, so I'm not sure that it was really that much less resource wise.
Another thing I thought of while I was reading your reply.. why 'the Tarkin'. I think I was blinded by the fact that I love Tarkin and of course there'd be a memorial to him, but really, the Empire isn't big on failure. Usually you die. Or get banished. Tarkin failed bigger than anyone else when you come down to it... so why'd he get it named after him?
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Post by Confessor on Jun 26, 2019 21:24:02 GMT -5
True... though they did point out how huge the Tarkin was, so I'm not sure that it was really that much less resource wise. Another thing I thought of while I was reading your reply.. why 'the Tarkin'. I think I was blinded by the fact that I love Tarkin and of course there'd be a memorial to him, but really, the Empire isn't big on failure. Usually you die. Or get banished. Tarkin failed bigger than anyone else when you come down to it... so why'd he get it named after him? I'm gonna assume it was because his name instilled fear throughout the galaxy. Obviously Tarkin had a pretty bad reputation for inhuman cruelty and was certainly a BIG enemy of the Rebellion...hence Leia's comment upon seeing him in A New Hope: "I recognized your foul stench when I was brought on board." I mean, this is a man who was such a deplorable human being that he would willingly destroy an entire planet, without much concern, in order to find the Rebel base.
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Post by rom on Jun 26, 2019 22:00:28 GMT -5
I really like the sub-plot about a group of Imperial officers planning to assassinate Darth Vader as revenge for the Dark Lord's penchant for capriciously killing them when they make mistakes. That always felt like an entirely reasonable reaction from these officers. That last panel, where the Imperial's hold hands in a circle, while chanting "Darth Vader must die!" is, as an adult, unintentionally hilarious. But as a kid of 9 or 10, which I was when this issue came out, that was a really shocking development and a hell of a cliff-hanger. This was obviously inspired by the similar real-life "July Plot" that occurred during WWII (which also failed): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plotThere is also an excellent 2008 film called Valkyrie (starring Tom Cruise) - which is based on these events: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_(film)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 10, 2019 21:38:24 GMT -5
So there's yet another new comic to talk about in this thread... a mini-series, even.... Target: Vader Valance apparently is either someone's favorite or got some good feedback after #108 (But not enough to get the series named after him).. the set up is Vader is looking for a secret group called the Hidden Hand, and said group hires Valance to lead a pack of Bounty Hunters to kill Vader first. Valance has a distinct Jonah Hex vibe to me (and not just his appearance), but it could be interesting... we'll see. The 1st issue was decent, mostly set up. It'll be interesting to see if any other Marvel bits wander into the series.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 10, 2019 23:35:28 GMT -5
So there's yet another new comic to talk about in this thread... a mini-series, even.... Target: Vader Valance apparently is either someone's favorite or got some good feedback after #108 (But not enough to get the series named after him).. the set up is Vader is looking for a secret group called the Hidden Hand, and said group hires Valance to lead a pack of Bounty Hunters to kill Vader first. Valance has a distinct Jonah Hex vibe to me (and not just his appearance), but it could be interesting... we'll see. The 1st issue was decent, mostly set up. It'll be interesting to see if any other Marvel bits wander into the series. Are you sure this isn't the "cannon" Valance, rather than the "Legends" one from the old Marvel series? Apparently, a variation of Valence has been introduced recently into the regular SW comic continuity, but it's not really the same one as the character that Archie Goodwin created. BTW, I've now read Star Wars #108 and I'm about half way through writing a review of it. I should be ready to post it either at the weekend or, more likely, early next week.
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