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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 15, 2017 16:18:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been debating whether I want to get those for the back ups for the thread or not.. they just came out with an omni for them, but it's crazy expensive.
As far as ages go, I remember in the early 90s reading a comic where Jean teases Scott about being an old fart and him saying 'I'm only twenty fi-' then getting interupted... I guess 25 is the magic age that Marvel likes their character to be at.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 15, 2017 16:40:21 GMT -5
X-Men #103, the issue with the leprechauns, included a page where it was shown that Nightcrawler becomes invisible when in shadow. I don't think that ability was referred to again, so Claremont removed the page from Classic X-Men #11.
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Post by spoon on Jul 15, 2017 17:30:32 GMT -5
X-Men #103, the issue with the leprechauns, included a page where it was shown that Nightcrawler becomes invisible when in shadow. I don't think that ability was referred to again, so Claremont removed the page from Classic X-Men #11. That sucks. Who knows what else I missed out through Classic X-Men revisions. The two issues of Days of Future Past was skipped over by Classic X-Men because the thin TPB was out at the time. I know the TPB cut out the last page of the second issue. I think it had Senator Kelly saying they should go ahead with the Sentinel program. I guess they didn't want to end the TPB on a downer.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 15, 2017 22:27:07 GMT -5
Damn, makes me glad to be an old fart and having read the original floppies.
"where it was shown that Nightcrawler becomes invisible when in shadow" was a scene I thought was so neat, so fab, couldn't wait for that to be explored.
I believe it was done once more, in a Byrne issue.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 16, 2017 9:13:28 GMT -5
Damn, makes me glad to be an old fart and having read the original floppies. "where it was shown that Nightcrawler becomes invisible when in shadow" was a scene I thought was so neat, so fab, couldn't wait for that to be explored. I believe it was done once more, in a Byrne issue. I'm glad to be an old fart who grew up in the X-Men's glory days, too. Luckily I have most of them as back issues. As far as Nightcrawler's extra power, I, too, thought it was a neat little thing, and if anyone can tell when else it showed up, it would be very much appreciated.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 19, 2017 22:59:02 GMT -5
X-Men #33 'Into the Crimson Cosmos' Things look bleak, as Juggernaut ravages the countryside and Professor X lies unconscious. Jean uses the Mental Wave Amplifier from a while back to look into Xavier's mind, and finds out that that someone called the Ancient One might be able to help them.... enter Doctor Strange. He explains to them about the gem and offers to send 2 of the X-Men into the realm of Cyttorak, then teleports them to a temple to do so, once they get to the altar and speak a spell. Scott chooses Jean to go with him, leaving the 3 weakest members of the team to deal with Juggernaut while they do.. things in the Crimson Cosmos. The get through some guys at the temple, then face the guardian of the ruby of Cyttorak.. The Outcast. Apparently, he's the guy that was supposed to guard it to prevent the Juggernaut from happening, but the Ancient One banished him because he was evil (and thus, let an evil guy get it anyway). Scott is useless, but Jean is able to overcome the bands of Cyttorak with her powers, then accidently defeat him with 'time' (a watch made him age and disintegrate)They steal the ruby just in time to get teleported home. Meanwhile, the Juggernaut is still beating on the army guys for no apparent reason when the remaining X-Men arrive. They hold him off for a bit, while Jean and Scott speed to the scene. They arrive with the ruby, where Juggernaut gets excited and grabs it, only to vanish in an explosive burst.. which, according to Scott, means he went to the Crimson Cosmos to replace the defeated Outcast. All seems well until the team gets back home to find out the professor is gone! Was it all a distraction by Factor Three? To be continued! Ok, yeah, this was a terrible conclusion to what should have been a two parter. I super-powered up Juggernaut should have just laid waste to the wimpy part of the team.. never mind the fact that last issue he was supposedly going to find Factor Three.. now he's just doing the Hulk thing and randomly rampaging across the countryside. Also, they just did what Doctor Strange said, without having any idea what was going on... awfully trusting for a group that is feared and hated and all that! Art wise, it was Roth's usual fare, which really didn't work well in a mystic realm... it seemed like he just forgot the background in alot of panels. I think this would have been better as a Doctor Strange story with the X-Men tagging along with him and having the Outcast actually be a good bad guy with a cool setting. Plot: D History: B- Notes: - Scott uses some really bad judgement here... taking Jean with him on a mysterious mission and leaving Beast, Iceman and Angel to fight Juggernaut? Sure, one could argue the unknown was more dangerous (as the tried to make it out), but really, it didn't seem that way. Taking Jean on a date to another dimension while their friends battle an unstoppable monster.. not good. - Juggernaut's actions make no sense at all... hopefully they'll be some sort of future retconned explanation, because on the surface it seems as though somehow Factor Three managed to power him up to get him curious.. why would that do that. then discard him? My would Juggernaut be attacking a random military base? He said he was going to find Factor Three.. did he somehow think they were a secret government agency or something? - Doctor Strange's use was a nice tie in, but it didn't make a whole lot of sense that the editor note specifically says he went astral walking WHILE dealing with the Living Tribunal in Strange Tales #158.. seems like just saying it took place a bit before that would have made alot more sense. -- I love the cover, but what's up with Iceman's boots? Well, I'm thinking it's do to the fact that they re-did it a couple times... that spot was Jean battling the Outcast at one point, so perhaps when re-drawing they caught Roth's attention and he kept them? (It's a different pose, so that's not it). -- So they have a helicopter and a jet now... nice. The jet is actually rather Blackbird-like, though not named or anything. -- No idea what Juggy's motivation was suppose to be here.. I mean, he's supposed to be heading for Europe... why not get on a plane? Or steal a boat? Or the X-Men's vechiles, since he kicked their butts?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 20, 2017 20:54:33 GMT -5
I have trouble finding nice things to say about this period of X-men and also the next.... two years or so, but I did like the Ancient One guest starring. Very Roy Thomas. (in a good way!)
You are a freakin' hero for reviewing these, Bee Tee Dubs.
I know the original cover had the Gargoyle not the Juggernaut looming over the X-men but was "too scary" and I know I've SEEN the original cover, but I can not find the damn thing on Google for the life of me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 20, 2017 21:18:35 GMT -5
Ask and you shall receive... it's actually from a pretty cool blog called 'the Unpublished X-Men'... I haven't look at it too closely, but hopefully google will continue to point out the relevant stuff there
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 20, 2017 23:51:42 GMT -5
X-Men: First Class #4 'Tea' (actually, there's no title, but that should be it) Cruz/Parker/Olababa The team are fighting a Sentinel in the woods, when Scott sees a weird monster in the woods no one else can see. Turns out the Sentinel was fixed up by some random engineer, and he had claw marks on him that could only be seen through Scott's visor. After making the ruby connection, Professor X calls Dr. Strange, and he figures out that a demon hitchhiked back with Scott and Jean when they returned from the Crimson Cosmos (which is referred to as the realm of Cyttorak here). Fixing the team up with spare Cyclops visors so they can see it, Dr. Strange takes them into a neighboring dimension so that can take care of business. One fight later (where Jean and Bobby were massively powered up, and Hank and Warren got turned into small fuzzy animals), the demon is back where he belongs and it's time for tea. Timeline: Clearly, this happens right after #33 Notes: I haven't loved these first class books, but this one was actually quite good.. this should have been what the actual issue should have been like.. a real team up with Doctor Strange instead of a fly by. The fight scene was WAY better, too. Continuity issues: Other than the fact that the Outcast was the only guy there when Scott and Jean first went there, and this time there were demons ready to poor out (which they mentioned, so that was ok), not to much. The Professor makes a weird reference, telling them to wear their 'version 2.0 costumes' to which Jean responds 'when is my pointy mask going to be fixed'.. a weird scene that didn't make much sense. It also seemed rather odd that Xavier had like 10 Cyclops visors lying around, but those are both pretty minor.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 22, 2017 2:27:44 GMT -5
Ask and you shall receive... it's actually from a pretty cool blog called 'the Unpublished X-Men'... I haven't look at it too closely, but hopefully google will continue to point out the relevant stuff there fantastic hands, and i love how the Kane style dances with the Roth style face-vignettes on the righthand side of the art.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 22, 2017 2:30:04 GMT -5
X-Men: First Class #4 'Tea' (actually, there's no title, but that should be it) Cruz/Parker/Olababa The team are fighting a Sentinel in the woods, when Scott sees a weird monster in the woods no one else can see. Turns out the Sentinel was fixed up by some random engineer, and he had claw marks on him that could only be seen through Scott's visor. After making the ruby connection, Professor X calls Dr. Strange, and he figures out that a demon hitchhiked back with Scott and Jean when they returned from the Crimson Cosmos (which is referred to as the realm of Cyttorak here). Fixing the team up with spare Cyclops visors so they can see it, Dr. Strange takes them into a neighboring dimension so that can take care of business. One fight later (where Jean and Bobby were massively powered up, and Hank and Warren got turned into small fuzzy animals), the demon is back where he belongs and it's time for tea. Timeline: Clearly, this happens right after #33 Notes: I haven't loved these first class books, but this one was actually quite good.. this should have been what the actual issue should have been like.. a real team up with Doctor Strange instead of a fly by. The fight scene was WAY better, too. Continuity issues: Other than the fact that the Outcast was the only guy there when Scott and Jean first went there, and this time there were demons ready to poor out (which they mentioned, so that was ok), not to much. The Professor makes a weird reference, telling them to wear their 'version 2.0 costumes' to which Jean responds 'when is my pointy mask going to be fixed'.. a weird scene that didn't make much sense. It also seemed rather odd that Xavier had like 10 Cyclops visors lying around, but those are both pretty minor. the shot of Jean in the 1st panel looks like the penciller wanted to do a broke-back-booty-shot but 1/2 chickened out at the last minute, lol
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 22, 2017 7:40:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a bit different style on First Class... it was actually a bit disconcerting reading them back to back like I did.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 22, 2017 9:03:12 GMT -5
I actually enjoyed the First Class series. Yes, the artistic style is different than we're used to, and that took some getting used to, but I thought it was a very fun series.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 22, 2017 12:08:18 GMT -5
I think First Class was pretty well received generally wasn't it? I mean, I'm not an X-fan at all, but even I was tempted to pick it up as a result of the word of mouth I heard.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 24, 2017 13:53:46 GMT -5
I think First Class was pretty well received generally wasn't it? I mean, I'm not an X-fan at all, but even I was tempted to pick it up as a result of the word of mouth I heard. I have no idea. I picked the whole first series up a couple of years after they came out, and I wasn't really in touch with the comic community. However, since they came out with a subsequent First Class series, I assume that it was well received.
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