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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 18, 2015 6:41:07 GMT -5
If the Cimmerians are supposed to be proto-Celts, one opportunity I think Howard and modern Conan writers have missed out on would be the creation of a really formidable female Cimmerian warrior, as women warriors and leaders are known to have been not uncommon amongst the Celtic peoples and in fact the Celts and the Germans were both known in ancient times for the high status accorded to women in general, especially compared to the very patriarchal Greeks and Romans. Yeah, Tacitus's Germania makes the Germans sound very modern as far as male-female relations go. Perhaps he emphasized their qualities to make the Romans look bad in comparison (he deplored where Roman society was going) but they really appeared admirable. Conan's mom in Dar Horse's Conan the Cimmerian was pretty badass, by the way!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 12:17:23 GMT -5
Savage Sword of Conan #51, April 1980Cover by Earl Norem. I like these monochrome covers; they always have an extra layer of realism, I find. The satyr here is a huge beast, reminding me of Devil, that pink character from Micronauts; the satyrs seen in this issue will be much smaller and tamer. But hey, you couldn't have Conan fighting off a little billy goat on the cover and expect people to buy the magazine! This issue contains only one feature apart from the lettercol. Its frontispiece is adorned by a B&W picture by Nestor Redondo, showing a brutish and hairy-chested Conan. Satyr's bloodScript by Roy Thomas Art by John Buscema and Tony DeZuniga Third part of the adaptation of the novel Conan the liberator, by L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter. Conan and his growing army of supporters make their way toward Tarantia, capital of Aquilonia, with the aim of toppling the tyrannical king Numedides. Opposing them are the Aquilonian troops still loyal to the crown and the wizard Thulandra Thuu, who is aided by the beauteous dancer (and sometimes spy and assassin) Alcina. Reviewing Aquilonian soldiers who have defected to his side, general Conan notices that one wears a necklace he has seen before: the talisman that Alcina wore when she shared his tent before trying to poison him. The soldier explains that he found it in the tent of general Procas after he was murdered (slain by the same Alcina, as we readers know). Conan takes the talisman. Meanwhile, Alcina has ridden for a week to reach the capital and give the bad news to her master: Conan still lives! Thulandra Thuu is incensed to learn that his plans have gone awry, for thinking Conan dead, he has engineered the murder of the only soldier capable of facing him, the now-dead Procas. After much shouting, he and Alcina make peace and plan the next step in their defense of the current regime. Meanwhile, still trying to infuse much realism into the novel, de Camp and Carter have Conan do what an actual rebel leader would do: attend meetings! Thank Mitra that Roy Thomas saw fit to add a few scenes of his own, where Conan joyfully brawls with his soldiers during training exercises, otherwise we might have fallen asleep! But people still talk a lot in this issue, which must have been pretty hard on poor John Buscema. As an amateur cartoonist myself, I can vouch that there is little as tedious as drawing scenes of people talking and doing nothing.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 12:29:51 GMT -5
The rebels must pass a certain escarpment to get within reach of Tarantia, and Thulandra Thuu makes his way south to help prevent their progress with his magic. Apparently, his spells require the blood of a certain species of beings living in the forest of Brocelian (a reference to the forest of Brocéliande, in Brittany, an important location in the legend of King Arthur). These creatures are little satyrs whom Thulandra Thuu sends some soldiers to capture. Conan's men meet the Aquilonian kidnapping party and fight them off, and Conan makes friend with the little creatures. The satyrs turn out to be gentle forest creatures who will later become precious allies, since their pipes can induce panic in men who hear their sound. Small and furry and playing a decisive role against an armoured opponent, they're basically Hyborian Age Ewoks with goat legs. I am glad indeed that after this story is over, they will never be seen again in a Conan story! Conan's columns near the escarpment they have to climb, and he holds most of the men back when he suspects a trap. That was lucky indeed, for Thulandra Thuu's magic creates a sudden avalanche, which crushes dozens of soldiers. The rebels will have to use another road. Later that night, Conan reflects upon the events of the day while distractingly playing with Alcina's Talisman; just then, thanks to its power, he is drawn into a telepathic conversation between the dancer and her sorcerous boss! In this way, the Cimmerian is made aware of his enemies' plans. Using this information, Conan directs his men in the best position to meet the loyalist troops that are awaiting them; furthermore, he asks the satyrs to pay back their debt to him by playing their fearful tune to the enemy. (Conan's rebels, like Odysseus's sailors when they faced the sirens, have plugged their ears with wax). This operation concludes in a complete rout for the loyalists and the road to Tarantia is now open.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 12:33:08 GMT -5
Savage Sword of Conan #52, May 1980Cover by Nestor Redondo, showing a triumphant Conan obtaining the crown of Aquilonia. The girl here is blond while the dancer Alcina is dark-haired, but king Numedides is recognizable and the crown is the same as will be seen in this issue. Table of contents:Conan the liberator, the conclusion of the four-part adaptation of the eponymous novel. The Chan barbarians, a portfolio by the well-known Conan artist.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 12:59:04 GMT -5
Conan the liberatorScript by Roy Thomas Art by John Buscema and Tony DeZuniga Concluding the adaptation of the novel Conan the liberator by L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter. The art for this issue is slightly different from the three that preceded it: DeZuniga uses ink washes instead of zip-tone to mark shadowing, and I for one like the result. We're nearing the climax of the revolution against Aquilonia's mad king, as Conan's troops keep getting nearer the country's capital. Meanwhile, heedless of the facts his army has just been routed, Numedides finds nothing better to do with his time than to try and get his paws on Alcina, the agent of his last useful ally, the wizard Thulandra Thuu. The girl is of course quite irate about having been summoned to the throne room under a false pretense, and she makes clear that she has no intention of submitting to the king's lecherous advances. The two fight, leading to the dancer losing the top of her garments because no comics code, but Thulandra Thuu shows up just in time to get the king to back off. The foolish monarch dares attack the wizard, and is promptly humiliated for his trouble. That's when Conan and company burst into the throne room, ready for the final act of the play. It is quickly apparent that we have a stalemate on our hands: Conan and his companions cannot penetrate Thulandra Thuu's magical shields, but he in turn can not crush the rebellion as it's basically already won the war. The wizard then sighs and says something to the effect of "aw, f#$k this, I'm going home". He abandons both Numedides and Alcina without remorse. Thulandra Thuu then teleports away, leaving Conan to deal with the king. The pitiful monarch grovels abjectly, but as Conan simply turns his back on him and suggests he be sent to a madhouse, the treacherous Numedides tries to stab him in the back. Conan grabs him by the neck and chokes him to death. This is not quite the way the scene had been played in Giant-size Conan #1, but the essential elements are there: Conan having been falsely accused of plotting to usurp the throne, his facing the groveling king, his killling him personally. The chains seen in GSC#1 are a reference to the ones the Cimmerian wore between the events of Moon of blood and the treasure of Tranicos.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 13:13:51 GMT -5
The king dead, Conan crowns himself and is hailed by everyone present. All that remains to decide is what to do with Alcina, who plays the card of "I really loved you but was driven to try to kill you by the wizard's enchantment", which we know is absolute tripe. Conan sends her away because he doesn't "make war on women", warning her that if she's ever seen again in Aquilonia she will lose her pretty head. Alcina leaves, turning at the door to look once more at him and shed a tear. Is that an attempt to make her a little more sympathetic? Are we to think that just maybe she did care for Conan? That would be preposterous: Alcina has acted with complete selfishness during this entire story, and the only person she seems to have shown any fidelity to was her sorcerous master. Not that there's anything wrong for a female character not to like Conan, of course, and in fact it's refreshing to have one who doesn't particularly care for the big, unwashed and conversationally-challenged type. Conan is now king of Aquilonia, as had been predicted as far back as Conan the barbarian #1. The Chan barbariansA portfolio by Ernie Chan, better known as an inker at this point in history, but an artist who would draw countless Conan pages in the following years. I'm not sure that Ernie is appropriate for Solomon Kane, but he really made his mark on the Cimmerian. Here he has one of the big images I enjoyed in the early years of the franchise at Marvel: a collage of different past events, or monsters, or characters. In this particular, it's the women in Conan's life: Valeria (with too long a nose), Bêlit and Red Sonja, with Miraaj, who is not actually a character: it's the name that was jokingly given to the ubiquitous cover girl who constantly grabs the Cimmerian's leg on so many covers. Nice linework by Chan. Notes: - Conan is 40-ish in this issue. - There will be a sequel to this tale, featuring Thulandra Thuu's new bid for the Aquilonian throne and a reformed Alcina, in SSoC # 214. - Members of the elite guard of the Aquilonian king are called "the Black Dragons". In the past they were shown dressed as regular soldiers, but here they are given a specific uniform; one that includes a slightly impractical helmet with a tall dragon sitting on top of it. In the Conan the king series, the black dragons will eventually be given a more badass uniform with a simple black helmet with short horns and a black scarf across the lower face. Perhaps thinking this attire too ninja-like (ninjas were huge in the 80s), writer Don Kraar killed all the Black Dragons in one of his first issues on the title. - The creative team did what it could with this novel, but let's face it... it simply wasn't very good to begin with. The story of how Conan became king did not need to be told, as Howard wrote three King Conan stories and never dealt with the issue in detail; as Asimov once explained, an author must know when to begin a story. That does not mean that it was a bad idea to tell the story anyway... provided it was a good story! Conan the liberator, as a stand-alone tale, has no engaging protagonists. Conan the Cimmerian, the fish-out-of-water barbarian carving his own way in the civilized world, is here a responsible and dependable leader of men playing by the rules. His aides are... there. His enemy, king Numedides, is a caricature of what a mad king is supposed to be; a fat and decadent toad, convinced of his own divinity and a slave to his mundane lusts, he doesn't even have an interesting form of madness. Thulandra Thuu, the magician, might be a little interesting but he never shifts beyond the third gear and gives up when things look bad. And Alcina, the femme fatale, shows very few dimensions. There were moments where it was suggested she might not even be into men at all, which would have added a layer of complexity to her; but in the end she turns out to simply be out of her depth. The plot of the novel could have saved it from its cookie-cutter characters; some of my favorite novels ( Rendez-vous with Rama comes to mind) have entirely forgettable protagonists but an outstanding scenario. Not so here... the story of Conan's accession to the throne goes strictly by the numbers: (a) raise an army; (b) know some initial difficulties, but remain stout of heart; (c) defeat the enemy army; (d) kill the king. No surprising plot twist, no real tension, and naturally no doubt about the outcome since we already know how it will end! Compare that, say, to the plot twists found in any chapter of George R. R. Martin's a storm of swords... At no time in Conan the liberator does the reader go "WHAAAAAAAT???"I'm convinced Roy would have written a far better original story around Conan's usurpation of the Aquilonian crown. But, hey, it's all water under the bridge, now.
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Post by berkley on Jan 24, 2015 13:23:56 GMT -5
I like Valeria's nose in that Chan illustration - adds character!
Has Dark Horse ever done an adaptation of The Treasure of Tranicos? Seems like an important story in the life of Conan.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2015 13:39:50 GMT -5
I like Valeria's nose in that Chan illustration - adds character! Has Dark Horse ever done an adaptation of The Treasure of Tranicos? Seems like an important story in the life of Conan. I'm very partial to long noses myself, but here in combination with Valeria's massive chin it makes for an odd combination. The treasure of Tranicos has not been adapted by Dark Horse yet, but I'd bet that it is a prime candidate for a Truman/Giorello miniseries. I'm just not sure how much money Conan is making for Dark Horse right now... Maybe the publisher won't go for it.
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Post by benday-dot on Jan 24, 2015 19:23:35 GMT -5
Nothing profound to add here, but I dig that writing podium/desk that the newly crowned King Conan is using in that splash RR posted. It is sort of an adaptation of the burden of Atlas theme (here, burden of knowledge?). I wonder who came up with that touch? Thomas, Buscema or maybe it was described in the de Camp story, which I have never read.
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Post by paulie on Jan 24, 2015 19:57:56 GMT -5
The king dead, Conan crowns himself and is hailed by everyone present. All that remains to decide is what to do with Alcina, who plays the card of "I really loved you but was driven to try to kill you by the wizard's enchantment", which we know is absolute tripe. Conan sends her away because he doesn't "make war on women", warning her that if she's ever seen again in Aquilonia she will lose her pretty head. Alcina leaves, turning at the door to look once more at him and shed a tear. Is that an attempt to make her a little more sympathetic? Are we to think that just maybe she did care for Conan? That would be preposterous: Alcina has acted with complete selfishness during this entire story, and the only person she seems to have shown any fidelity to was her sorcerous master. Not that there's anything wrong for a female character not to like Conan, of course, and in fact it's refreshing to have one who doesn't particularly care for the big, unwashed and conversationally-challenged type. Conan is now king of Aquilonia, as had been predicted as far back as Conan the barbarian #1. The Chan barbariansA portfolio by Ernie Chan, better known as an inker at this point in history, but an artist who would draw countless Conan pages in the following years. I'm not sure that Ernie is appropriate for Solomon Kane, but he really made his mark on the Cimmerian. Here he has one of the big images I enjoyed in the early years of the franchise at Marvel: a collage of different past events, or monsters, or characters. In this particular, it's the women in Conan's life: Valeria (with too long a nose), Bêlit and Red Sonja, with Miraaj, who is not actually a character: it's the name that was jokingly given to the ubiquitous cover girl who constantly grabs the Cimmerian's leg on so many covers. Nice linework by Chan. Notes: - Conan is 40-ish in this issue. - There will be a sequel to this tale, featuring Thulandra Thuu's new bid for the Aquilonian throne and a reformed Alcina, in SSoC # 214. - Members of the elite guard of the Aquilonian king are called "the Black Dragons". In the past they were shown dressed as regular soldiers, but here they are given a specific uniform; one that includes a slightly impractical helmet with a tall dragon sitting on top of it. In the Conan the king series, the black dragons will eventually be given a more badass uniform with a simple black helmet with short horns and a black scarf across the lower face. Perhaps thinking this attire too ninja-like (ninjas were huge in the 80s), writer Don Kraar killed all the Black Dragons in one of his first issues on the title. - The creative team did what it could with this novel, but let's face it... it simply wasn't very good to begin with. The story of how Conan became king did not need to be told, as Howard wrote three King Conan stories and never dealt with the issue in detail; as Asimov once explained, an author must know when to begin a story. That does not mean that it was a bad idea to tell the story anyway... provided it was a good story! Conan the liberator, as a stand-alone tale, has no engaging protagonists. Conan the Cimmerian, the fish-out-of-water barbarian carving his own way in the civilized world, is here a responsible and dependable leader of men playing by the rules. His aides are... there. His enemy, king Numedides, is a caricature of what a mad king is supposed to be; a fat and decadent toad, convinced of his own divinity and a slave to his mundane lusts, he doesn't even have an interesting form of madness. Thulandra Thuu, the magician, might be a little interesting but he never shifts beyond the third gear and gives up when things look bad. And Alcina, the femme fatale, shows very few dimensions. There were moments where it was suggested she might not even be into men at all, which would have added a layer of complexity to her; but in the end she turns out to simply be out of her depth. The plot of the novel could have saved it from its cookie-cutter characters; some of my favorite novels ( Rendez-vous with Rama comes to mind) have entirely forgettable protagonists but an outstanding scenario. Not so here... the story of Conan's accession to the throne goes strictly by the numbers: (a) raise an army; (b) know some initial difficulties, but remain stout of heart; (c) defeat the enemy army; (d) kill the king. No surprising plot twist, no real tension, and naturally no doubt about the outcome since we already know how it will end! Compare that, say, to the plot twists found in any chapter of George R. R. Martin's a storm of swords... At no time in Conan the liberator does the reader go "WHAAAAAAAT???"I'm convinced Roy would have written a far better original story around Conan's usurpation of the Aquilonian crown. But, hey, it's all water under the bridge, now. Let's not forget that there were quite a few letters printed after Roy left that went like 'not another adaptation of a bad de Camp pastiche.' Many of the letters even complimented the first couple of Fleischer stories. I like some of those too though we now know that Fleisher was on his way to writing the same story 60 times in a row. Circling back around... how did Roy get so out of gas? Why didn't he write more of his own stories for SSOC? And his last few stories for Conan and Conan the King are quite good. I don't know what happened here. Lastly... Big John finally gets to ink himself on issue 61; Fleisher's first. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts about that in a couple of weeks.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 26, 2015 10:45:29 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #53, June 1980Cover by Earl Norem, using elements from the issue's main story. Table of contentsThe sorcerer and the soul, a Conan adventure The Hyborian reporter, describing a certain Halloween party in California Wings in the night, a Solomon Kane tale.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 26, 2015 11:02:49 GMT -5
Hard to believe you're already over 50 issues into the series, RR! So, do you feel there's a dropping off point eventually, or is the series universally consistent throughout?
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Post by paulie on Jan 26, 2015 11:24:02 GMT -5
Hard to believe you're already over 50 issues into the series, RR! So, do you feel there's a dropping off point eventually, or is the series universally consistent throughout? We're about to get about 60-70 mediocre issues in a row.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 26, 2015 12:07:21 GMT -5
The sorcerer and the soulScript by Roy Thomas Art by John Buscema and Rudy Nebres Adapting the Conan novel Conan and the sorcerer, written by Andrew J. Offut. One of the objectives of Roy as editor was to eventually adapt all the Conan stories (the real ones and the pastiches) into the Marvel Conan canon. After many stories by Bjorn Nyberg, L. Sprague de Camp and Lin Carter, there was at the time a new source of material: the first Conan novel written by Andrew J. Offut for Ace Books. Offut had already written a few Howard pastiches, having published four Cormac Mac Art novels when Conan and the sorcerer came out. I remember buying Offut's Sword of the Gael for a dollar in that glorious temple of the second-hand book, Le Palais Du Livre in Montreal, a six-story store filled with dusty volumes. It's gone, now, destroyed by fire. I also remember attending a round table discussion at a book fair held in my hometown, where there were so few participants that even teenage me was allowed to sit with an actual published SF author, who unfortunately in the course of the discussion came to mention hacks among which she listed Mr. Offut. (I thought it was a bit unfair, as I had liked Sword of the Gael!) As Conan pastiches go, I quite enjoyed Conan and the sorcerer. What it lacks in originality and the sense of cosmic wonder often found in Howard's tales, it tries to compensate by honest action and a welcome lack of people sitting down and talking about stuff. It has several references to other stories that do not feel forced, does not contradict what we know about the character and his world, and so feels like a proper Conan story. It's unfortunate that it leaves a major plot point hanging, though. The story is set when Conan is still very young, 17 or so, which is a nice departure from the older Conan we had been following in recent months in SSoC. Fewer responsibilities, a brasher and less gloomy outlook on life, make for a Conan readier to launch himself into harebrained schemes. Rudy Nebres's inking is very different from Tony DeZuniga's, and creates an atmosphere I always found very suited to tales set in desert countries. I admit that at the time I was a big fan of Nebres, because of the work he had done on John Carter, Warlord of Mars. Our story begins in Zamora's City of Thieves, a few weeks after the events from The tower of the elephant (CtB#4 and SSoC#24) Conan is therefore very young, freshly arrived in the civilized countries, and learning how to make his way. He's acting very cocky and sure of himself, which gets him into trouble with a city guard whose woman he has a drink with in a tavern. Here's one of the nice touches from Offut's story: the girl doesn't know about Cimmeria. This is how it should be, for in the very first Conan story, The phoenix on the sword, it is clear that geographical knowledge is limited in that ancient world. Prospero, an Aquilonian of high rank and therefore likely to have had a proper education, sees countries like Vanaheim and Aesgaard as half-mythical; we'd expect someone living in Zamora (much farther away) to have either only vaguely heard of far-off Cimmeria, or not have heard of it at all. It was a common irritant in the non-Thomas Conan magazines to treat the world geography as we would in our modern era; the Hyborian Age was entirely too cosmopolitan, with people from Brythunia casually mentioning the Xuchotl dragon or somesuch. Just as in the tower of the elephant, a slight to Conan's honor leads to a tavern brawl, causing the Cimmerian to escape by way of the rooftops. During the brawl, he is helped by a turban-wearing fellow who answers to Conan's shouting a well-known thieves' invocation of the patron god, "Up Bel, name of Bel!" Jumping from roof to roof, the young thief comes across an open window where words like "valuable" cause him to pause and eavesdrop. A quick look inside the room shows a man and a woman discussing their intention to steal something from a local wizard named Hisarr Zul. The man is named Karamek, and the woman is Isparana. Both are currently in the employ of the satrap of Zamboula, Akter Khan. Isparana will feature in two of the three Conan novels written by Offut, and she will return to the Conan Marvel continuity a dozen years after her last appearance in SSoC, in CtB#264 (January 1993), She would then remain a supporting character until the mag's cancellation and for many of the final issues of SSoC that continued the storyline from CtB. She would finally be seen in the Conan miniseries "The flame and the fiend".
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 26, 2015 13:00:38 GMT -5
Like good secondary characters, Karamek and Isparana indulge in a lot of expository talk. The wizard Hisarr Zul has stolen a certain amulet from the Zamboulan satrap Akter Khan; said amulet, "the eye of Erlik", has certain magical powers that could allow its owner to control or even to cause the death of the satrap. We learn that should something to Akter Khan, it is not his young son Jungir who would succeed him but more likely someone called Balad, who from the way the pair talk about him seems to be a pretty bad man. A plan is decided upon: two nights from then, they will raid Hisarr Zul's house and recover the amulet! Having heard enough, Conan departs silently, deciding to get to Hisarr Zul's house the very next night and scoop the two Zamboulans. Had he stayed a little longer, he'd have heard them decide upon acting faster, because in two nights a certain festival will mean the streets will be crowded with people. The Cimmerian learns the location of the wizard's house, which he observes for a full day. (Meanwhile, we get reminded of the tower of the elephant, whose ruins are still lying about). Conan enters the house at night, and finds it guarded by slow-moving fellows with an empty gaze. These guards are however alert enough to catch another thief, who happens to be the turban-wearing fellow who helped Conan in the tavern earlier. A good deed deserving another, the Cimmerian helps his new-found comrade defeat the guards. This will be a short-lived friendship, however, for when he learns that Conan is after the eye of Erlik the man tries to stab him. The struggle ends when the man triggers one of the many traps set in the wizard's residence: a small trap door that releases asps. Bitten by the venomous snakes, the man tries to convince Conan to get the eye of Erlik to his own king, Kobad Shah of iranistan, instead of selling it to some Zamoran fence. He then expires. Conan eventually reaches a room where Karamek and Isparana, obeying their new schedule, have already found the eye of Erlik. Amusingly enough (and the point is made in the story), the "eye" or Erlik is an amulet shaped like a sword, not like an eye. Young Conan can't resist playing the show-off and casually drops names and references he got from eavesdropping the Zamboulans earlier, making it sound as if he knows much more than he actually does. Karamek attacks him while Isparana scrambles away. Conan kills Karamek, but before he can pursue the woman he falls into another trap: this time, a floor that opens and closes on his legs. Before he has a chance of freeing himself, he is challenged by the house's owner, a rather even-tempered Hisarr Zul who puts the Cimmerian to sleep with the help of some lotus powder. When the Cimmerian wakes, he is shown that as he was unconscious Hisarr Zul has stolen his very soul and trapped it in a mirror: only he knows how to reverse the spell, and should the mirror be broken Conan's soul would be lost forever. It is in this way that Hisarr Zul recruits his guards and other agents; their soul taken hostage, all of them have no choice but to do whatever the wizard commands. And in this case, Hisarr Zul's order is to recover the eye of Erlik from Isparana. Hisarr Zul gives Conan a fake copy of the amulet, so he will be sure to recover the real thing, and he send him on his way. To be continued! Notes: - Conan is 17. - The yak helmet that the Cimmerian sported in the early issues of CtB is nowhere to be seen. It was not uncommon for such small glitches in continuity to be seen in SSoC, since so many different artists covered so many different time points in Conan's life. - The king of Iranistan is named Kobad Shah; this is the same king we saw in SSoC #31 when Conan was 32. - The heir apparent to Zamboula's satrap is caled Jungir; Jungir Khan was indeed satrap of the city for Shadows in Zamboula, adapted in SS0C#14, when Conan was 31. (We will actually see Jungir gain the throne in SSoC#58).
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