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Post by shaxper on Jun 2, 2015 4:57:03 GMT -5
Is it possible they're presenting things chronologically? I agree that if they're selecting things, that should have been able to do better. No. At least one of the stories from DD #1 was from the Ducktales Era, as it dropped two clear references to the series. Of course, it's also possible this was done by the translator or editor. Boom! was rather infamous for "updating" old European stories by adding modern references in the dialogue. Actually, there was another where the entire premise was based upon America's Funniest Home Videos, so that shoots down my theory above. Some of these definitely came from the late 1980s. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 2, 2015 13:07:28 GMT -5
The Launchpad reference was really out of place, I thought... it definitely felt dropped in. You make a good point about America's Funniest Home videos... while Candid Camera was very similar and MUCH eariler, someone coming up with the same thing like that is pretty unlikely.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 2, 2015 18:54:51 GMT -5
The Launchpad reference was really out of place, I thought... it definitely felt dropped in. You make a good point about America's Funniest Home videos... while Candid Camera was very similar and MUCH eariler, someone coming up with the same thing like that is pretty unlikely. I would argue that, while the comment felt forced (as did Daisy's "life is like a hurricane" comment), it felt more likely to be forcibly inserted into a Disney comic of the late 1980s (when Ducktales was big) as opposed to now. It's even possible that they didn't have the licensing rights to characters and stories that were exclusive to the show, thus mentioning Launchpad without showing him. |
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Post by ryanwynns on Jun 3, 2015 11:30:39 GMT -5
Is it possible they're presenting things chronologically? I agree that if they're selecting things, that should have been able to do better. No. At least one of the stories from DD #1 was from the Ducktales Era, as it dropped two clear references to the series. Of course, it's also possible this was done by the translator or editor. Boom! was rather infamous for "updating" old European stories by adding modern references in the dialogue. I don't remember offhand if the references you're thinking of were in the lead or backup, or both, in DD #1, but the DuckTales in-joke (that's more or less how I took it) and the modern references could easily have been the creation of either Christopher Burns, who wrote the American dialogue for IDW for both stories. But to verify if anything would actually be found in a direct translation or not, we'd have to ask him or one of the editors. There was a reference to Red Bull's "give you wings" slogan in the "Gigabeagle" story in Uncle Scrooge #1, but the story was originally printed in Italy in the '60's. So you can't always assume that something like that or a DuckTales references are part of the original foreign versions. And, no, they're not presenting things chronologically -- there are literally thousands (maybe millions) of European Disney duck stories, so like BOOM!, Gemstone, and Gladstone before them, IDW's editors are more or less picking and choosing. The lead story in Uncle Scrooge #1, as I mentioned, was from Italy, 1956, while the backup story was also Italy, but from 2006. But then both stories in Scrooge #2 were from from Denmark and created in the 2000's. |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 3, 2015 12:12:23 GMT -5
No. At least one of the stories from DD #1 was from the Ducktales Era, as it dropped two clear references to the series. Of course, it's also possible this was done by the translator or editor. Boom! was rather infamous for "updating" old European stories by adding modern references in the dialogue. I don't remember offhand if the references you're thinking of were in the lead or backup, or both, in DD #1, but the DuckTales in-joke (that's more or less how I took it) and the modern references could easily have been the creation of either Christopher Burns, who wrote the American dialogue for IDW for both stories. But to verify if anything would actually be found in a direct translation or not, we'd have to ask him or one of the editors. There was a reference to Red Bull's "give you wings" slogan in the "Gigabeagle" story in Uncle Scrooge #1, but the story was originally printed in Italy in the '60's. So you can't always assume that something like that or a DuckTales references are part of the original foreign versions. And, no, they're not presenting things chronologically -- there are literally thousands (maybe millions) of European Disney duck stories, so like BOOM!, Gemstone, and Gladstone before them, IDW's editors are more or less picking and choosing. The lead story in Uncle Scrooge #1, as I mentioned, was from Italy, 1956, while the backup story was also Italy, but from 2006. But then both stories in Scrooge #2 were from from Denmark and created in the 2000's. Welcome to the forum, ryan. I'm already impressed by your knowledge of European Duck stories. My question is, if they're hand picking from such a plethora of works (many of which are supposed to be outright classics), then why begin with these? They don't stand out as being particularly remarkable in any respect. |
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Post by ryanwynns on Jun 23, 2015 8:24:45 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome, Shaxper! (I love your user icon, by the way.) I consider my knowledge of that plethora of works fairly limited, as I've only ever really gotten to read the ones that have been printed in the U.S. (I actually have a stack of Italian Disney comics that I bought on ebay, but I can't actually read them.) For background info on the contents of each new IDW Disney comic, I use Inducks' search engine: coa.inducks.org/ Here, for example, is their entry on Uncle Scrooge #406: coa.inducks.org/issue.php?c=us/US++406A For each story, you can click on the story code in the leftmost column, which will bring you to a page showing the international publication history for that particular story. I don't know how the stories are being selected, but in my blog review of Donald Duck #368, I speculate that some of them are being used to introduce characters like Gideon McDuck and Jubal Pomp who have been longstanding in Europe but have rarely or never seen in the U.S., to lay the groundwork for their being "regulars". Or to do the same for characters like Brigitta MacBridge or Fethry, who have had some exposure in the U.S. by past publishers, but never consistently -- sort of "re"-establishing them, if you will. ryanwynns.blogspot.com/2015/06/new-comic-review-donald-duck-1-368-idw.html I'm not sure if that's actually the game plan, but it would make sense. -- Ryan |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 23, 2015 9:53:30 GMT -5
Thanks for the welcome, Shaxper! (I love your user icon, by the way.) I consider my knowledge of that plethora of works fairly limited, as I've only ever really gotten to read the ones that have been printed in the U.S. (I actually have a stack of Italian Disney comics that I bought on ebay, but I can't actually read them.) I've thought about picking some of those up, myself, but realized I'd find myself in the same dilemma  Oh, yes. Well aware of inducks. Invaluable resource! I've been thinking that, as well, but I still don't understand why you'd use a story where said character does not shine too brightly as an introduction. I'd imagine most people reading these titles are only going to give them a few issues to impress before deciding whether to dump them, so why start with the fourth-rate stories? Feathry Duck, for example, is a downright comic book icon in Europe. Show a little of that off here. Great to see you back, Ryan! |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 23, 2015 11:40:17 GMT -5
I think Gideon's intro was quite strong... I was left after reading that story 'Why the heck wasn't he in Duck Tales?'
The others, not so much.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 27, 2015 23:22:55 GMT -5
I thought this month's offerings (Donald Duck #2 and Uncle Scrooge #3) were much better. Uncle Scrooge was one full-length story.. 'Duckburg 100'... It much more on-target story wise, and had a much better Scrooge in it, IMO... this one felt alot more like the Don Rosa stuff I've read than a Duck Tales reject. The one page gag strip at the end was fine. Donald featured the conclusion of Uncle Gideon's intro, and was really good... very good Huey, Duey and Louie showcase, and a bit of a surprise ending. I'm still not feeling Fethry (he was in another 1-pager), not did the gag strip at the end do anything for me, but the main story was pretty good. I checked inducks... 'Duckburg 100' is from 1961... most interestingly (to me) is that site lists it as ranked #231/30435. That's ALOT of stories, and a pretty high ranking . It's also seems to be the 1st appearance of Jubal Pomp... so perhaps they plan on using him more. The Gag strip in from 1973. Over in Donald, the Feathry one pager was from 1999, and the backup, 'Counter Spy' from 1947.. so they're really all over the place! |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 27, 2015 23:35:47 GMT -5
I thought this month's offerings (Donald Duck #2 and Uncle Scrooge #3) were much better. Uncle Scrooge was one full-length story.. 'Duckburg 100'... It much more on-target story wise, and had a much better Scrooge in it, IMO... this one felt alot more like the Don Rosa stuff I've read than a Duck Tales reject. The one page gag strip at the end was fine. Donald featured the conclusion of Uncle Gideon's intro, and was really good... very good Huey, Duey and Louie showcase, and a bit of a surprise ending. I'm still not feeling Fethry (he was in another 1-pager), not did the gag strip at the end do anything for me, but the main story was pretty good. I checked inducks... 'Duckburg 100' is from 1961... most interestingly (to me) is that site lists it as ranked #231/30435. That's ALOT of stories, and a pretty high ranking . It's also seems to be the 1st appearance of Jubal Pomp... so perhaps they plan on using him more. The Gag strip in from 1973. Over in Donald, the Feathry one pager was from 1999, and the backup, 'Counter Spy' from 1947.. so they're really all over the place! This write-up gives me hope! |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 17, 2015 23:20:14 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading Donald #2 tonight. Pretty good conclusion to that 2 parter, though I wasn't blown away. I agree that Fethry is not coming across nearly as well as he should in these brief appearances he's been given, and that the backup story was nothing to write home about either. At least IDW is giving us a good value on the cover price/page count ratio.
I'll get to Uncle Scrooge #3 next, and I'm saving Mickey #1 for a special night. You have no idea how long I've waited to read another Casty Mickey story!!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 24, 2015 22:20:08 GMT -5
I just have no interest in Mickey... I probably should give it a shot, but for some reason I just never have.
Read Uncle Scrooge #4 today (my DCBS mysteriously shipped a week early)... I really liked the lead, which is strangely titled 'the Grand Canyon Quest.
A guy claiming to be the nephew of an old friend of Scrooge turns up and knows everything about the business, and claims he is supposed to get half, thanks to an agreement Scrooge made with his buddy. Not sure if the guy is even mentioned before I don't recall him, and inducks strangely doesn't list him as a character.
Owen Dunwitty is the guy (Blair Dunwitty is Scrooge's old friend). It's a pretty recent story (Huey, Dewey and Louie mention Torchwood, and theres' a Pirates of the Carribean ride at Disneyland), so could just added in. The only part I didn't like is that they stayed with the Don Rosa timeframe (the letter was dated 1898) yet the story clearly too place in the present.. Owen rattled off dates Scrooge bought stuff several times... that would make Scrooge, oh, about 120 years old in this story.
The back up is about Belle ducl, a former crush that rides into town in her steamboat and has apparently cornered the market on a particular coin Scrooge wants. Written in 1967.. pretty meh. There's also a couple gag strips that are nothing special.
I did really like the lead, it felt rather Don Rosa-y.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 29, 2015 11:48:24 GMT -5
Uncle Scrooge #5 was my favorite so far... the 2nd half of the 'Dunwitty' story came to it's conclusion, which was very satisfactory. There was a full length Gyro story that was really fun(frm the Dutch Donald Duck book, 1982), then a somewhat silly one about a long lost Viking ancestor of the Ducks(also from Dutch Donald Duck, 2006). Finally, a one page gag strip. They'ave also added credits that say where the story was first published, saving me the trouble of going to inducks, which is nice. I've also got 2 Donald issues to read, but not today... too many at once isn't as fun |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 29, 2015 12:00:15 GMT -5
I'm still pulling all of these and am now drowning in a pile of them, but I just haven't had the time to read any beyond the first three. I really need to catch up.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 31, 2015 16:20:50 GMT -5
I just have no interest in Mickey... I probably should give it a shot, but for some reason I just never have. Read Uncle Scrooge #4 today (my DCBS mysteriously shipped a week early)... I really liked the lead, which is strangely titled 'the Grand Canyon Quest. A guy claiming to be the nephew of an old friend of Scrooge turns up and knows everything about the business, and claims he is supposed to get half, thanks to an agreement Scrooge made with his buddy. Not sure if the guy is even mentioned before I don't recall him, and inducks strangely doesn't list him as a character. Owen Dunwitty is the guy (Blair Dunwitty is Scrooge's old friend). It's a pretty recent story (Huey, Dewey and Louie mention Torchwood, and theres' a Pirates of the Carribean ride at Disneyland), so could just added in. The only part I didn't like is that they stayed with the Don Rosa timeframe (the letter was dated 1898) yet the story clearly too place in the present.. Owen rattled off dates Scrooge bought stuff several times... that would make Scrooge, oh, about 120 years old in this story. The back up is about Belle ducl, a former crush that rides into town in her steamboat and has apparently cornered the market on a particular coin Scrooge wants. Written in 1967.. pretty meh. There's also a couple gag strips that are nothing special. I did really like the lead, it felt rather Don Rosa-y. I definitely enjoyed this one. The Grand Canyon Quest was both set up quite well and was brimming with character. This Scrooge seems even more miserly than Barks or Rosa ever wrote him, and that leaves me wondering why Donald ever helps him, but the characterizations are endearing all the same. I liked the Belle B story. It was overly simple and predictable, but somehow I found it endearing all the same. Nice to see Scrooge get a loving come-uppance that isn't too forced. Mickey #1 was AWESOME. This was my least favorite Casty story yet, which still puts it leaps and bounds above most comic stories. The ideas were strong, the twist predictable but clever, the art brilliant, and the characterization was to die for. Casty has a way of introducing characters who will only stick around for one story but are just so damn endearing you never forget them. I wish this could have been a five part story instead of a done-in-one. Every Casty story leaves me feeling sad when it's over. Donald Duck #3. I'm starting to think I'm done with this title. It just isn't particularly GOOD. Not one of the stories I've seen in this title has felt memorable yet. Walt Disney's Comics #721. And I am almost definitely done with this one. Really -- committing the next TWELVE issues to a 12 part story arc that isn't positively enthralling? The first installment set up a generic premise and didn't really do anything with it, the art was so-so, and nothing about the characterization was brimming either. I am not spending a full year and $36 on a story that isn't wowing me from the get-go. I already pulled the next issue before reading this one, so I'll give it another chance, but I am not optimistic. Still five Disney issues left on my To Read stack, but it looks like my Disney pulls are about to be halved. Still, the Scrooge stuff is consistently good, and I'm curious to see what the non-Casty Mickey stuff will be like. |
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