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Post by Paradox on Oct 6, 2014 6:44:08 GMT -5
I always loved the super-hero archers, because they were "the guy you could possibly be!" My heart leans much more to butthead Hawkeye, but I loved GA, too. The "relevant" period was quite formative for me, having older hippy siblings that were helping me sort out all that '60s and '70s changing world stuff. I, too, enjoyed the extremist political battles between GA and Hawkman, but wasn't all that fond of the Grell-drawn restart of GL/GA (the stories were...ordinary). I very much enjoyed Longbow Hunters and the series that followed, despite Mike's kind of "macho" attitudes in his writing. I wasn't reading comics when they killed him, and was just coming back when his kid was GA (a nice idea, I thought, but the execution was somewhat lacking), and it fizzled all out when they decided to let Kevin Smith take the reins and bring Ollie back (I love many of your movies, Kevin, but you write shitty comics...sorry).
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Post by Jesse on Nov 11, 2014 17:11:20 GMT -5
My initial encounter with Green Arrow was in a few copies of World's Finest that my High School librarian had given me as a going away present (I was moving to Long Island halfway through my Junior Year and the school's only known Comic nut.) a few years later in college as I was exposed to more and more of the DCU through my roommate as well as the resurgence in all things archery (due in part to robin Hood Prince of thieves) I started reading the Green Lantern/Green Arrow Hard Traveling Heroes TPBs Finally i started reading Green Arrow towards the tail end of Grell's run on the series. after that I was a full-time "Arrow-head" I even got my letter printed in issue 122 (the letter was in reference to issue 118) this is the current state of my "Quiver"  Awesome collection! |
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Post by Jesse on Nov 14, 2014 22:03:25 GMT -5
CW actually pulled off the boxing glove arrow and it was glorious!
and here's DC Nation boxing glove arrow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 22:21:07 GMT -5
He was the 1st Member to join the JLA after the original 7. He had quite of history with the JLA.  DOOM OF THE STAR DIAMOND This is one of the better stories and I remember reading this when I was around six (borrowing a friend's issue) years old and it's was hallmarked story seeing the JLA expanded to eight members eventually to the sixteen that made up in the Satellite years of the Justice League of America. I was surprised to see him inducted first rather than the Atom and/or Hawkman into the ranks of the Justice League. He's certainly a favorite of mine for years and I'm happy that their is a thread devoted to him. |
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 18, 2014 11:53:13 GMT -5
I just completed a binge read of the first 50 issues of Mike Grell's Green Arrow series. Overall, I thought it was great. I've always thought of Green Arrow as an archery-based riff on Batman, but this series really sets him apart in a lot of ways. In fact, I'd hesitate to call this a superhero book at all -- no secret ID, no mask, no trick arrows, barely any acknowledgement of the greater DC universe, Oliver's willingness to kill, etc etc. It reads a lot more like the stuff Image is putting out these days. It also had one of the more fascinating letter columns I've ever read.
Issue 50 ended on a note that would have made it a fitting conclusion to the run, but I'm debating on whether to pick up any more. How does the rest of the run hold up? And are the issues that came out after Grell's departure worth getting as well?
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 18, 2014 15:02:48 GMT -5
I just completed a binge read of the first 50 issues of Mike Grell's Green Arrow series. Overall, I thought it was great. I've always thought of Green Arrow as an archery-based riff on Batman, but this series really sets him apart in a lot of ways. In fact, I'd hesitate to call this a superhero book at all -- no secret ID, no mask, no trick arrows, barely any acknowledgement of the greater DC universe, Oliver's willingness to kill, etc etc. It reads a lot more like the stuff Image is putting out these days. It also had one of the more fascinating letter columns I've ever read. Issue 50 ended on a note that would have made it a fitting conclusion to the run, but I'm debating on whether to pick up any more. How does the rest of the run hold up? And are the issues that came out after Grell's departure worth getting as well? To answer your questions: 1. The rest of the run is worth picking up, since it's dirt cheap, but it's not as strong as the first 50 issues. As you say, the main story that Grell had been telling in the first 50 issues pretty much ended. While he does some more with the Ollie/Dinah relationship, and has some good stories, Grell doesn't necessarily have that much left to say about Ollie himself. So while the stories are solid, they don't have the same drive. For example, the next Shado arc is yet another comic book riff on the old "Most Dangerous Game" trope; while it's a fine action story as these things go, it's also is kind of a far cry from the impact of the earlier Shado arcs. 2) No. Or, well, I guess they have their merits, but the stuff after Grell is completely and intentionally divorced from everything Grell was doing. The first issue with the new team has a costumed supervillain attack Seattle, whereupon Ollie moves out of the city and (I think?) starts using trick arrows again or something. I immediately cancelled my subscription at my LCS as soon as I got to the last page. In today's world, they would have rebooted with a new #1 to show what a complete change in direction the series was taking. |
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Post by Randle-El on Dec 19, 2014 1:37:15 GMT -5
I just completed a binge read of the first 50 issues of Mike Grell's Green Arrow series. Overall, I thought it was great. I've always thought of Green Arrow as an archery-based riff on Batman, but this series really sets him apart in a lot of ways. In fact, I'd hesitate to call this a superhero book at all -- no secret ID, no mask, no trick arrows, barely any acknowledgement of the greater DC universe, Oliver's willingness to kill, etc etc. It reads a lot more like the stuff Image is putting out these days. It also had one of the more fascinating letter columns I've ever read. Issue 50 ended on a note that would have made it a fitting conclusion to the run, but I'm debating on whether to pick up any more. How does the rest of the run hold up? And are the issues that came out after Grell's departure worth getting as well? To answer your questions: 1. The rest of the run is worth picking up, since it's dirt cheap, but it's not as strong as the first 50 issues. As you say, the main story that Grell had been telling in the first 50 issues pretty much ended. While he does some more with the Ollie/Dinah relationship, and has some good stories, Grell doesn't necessarily have that much left to say about Ollie himself. So while the stories are solid, they don't have the same drive. For example, the next Shado arc is yet another comic book riff on the old "Most Dangerous Game" trope; while it's a fine action story as these things go, it's also is kind of a far cry from the impact of the earlier Shado arcs. 2) No. Or, well, I guess they have their merits, but the stuff after Grell is completely and intentionally divorced from everything Grell was doing. The first issue with the new team has a costumed supervillain attack Seattle, whereupon Ollie moves out of the city and (I think?) starts using trick arrows again or something. I immediately cancelled my subscription at my LCS as soon as I got to the last page. In today's world, they would have rebooted with a new #1 to show what a complete change in direction the series was taking. Thanks -- yeah, by the second question I was really asking whether the post-Grell issues continued in a similar path. I'm curious to see what happens to the Ollie/Dinah relationship after his return to Seattle. That was an awful thing he did to her, leaving her like that for a year while he went and figured himself out, and I'd be interested to see the fallout from that. |
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Post by Jesse on Feb 6, 2015 15:37:54 GMT -5
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Post by badwolf on Feb 6, 2015 15:58:23 GMT -5
The art in the original post looks a lot like Jae Lee's.
I don't think I've read a lot of GA -- a few World's Finest shorts, some satellite era JLA, and the famous #76 (when DC reprinted it as a Millennium Edition -- but I've always liked the character, probably because our politics are similar. I hate what he got turned into in the new century: a lecherous slimeball who was perpetually drooling over the heroines. (I hate what they did to Hawkman, too...)
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Post by Jesse on Jun 7, 2015 15:25:18 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 7, 2015 15:35:20 GMT -5
So there's a Absolute of the Hard Travelling Heroes era coming out... you guys think it's worth getting in that format, or should I hunt for the actual issues?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 7, 2015 15:40:24 GMT -5
So there's a Absolute of the Hard Travelling Heroes era coming out... you guys think it's worth getting in that format, or should I hunt for the actual issues? I'm probably still in the minority, but I find it incredibly dated and difficult reading. Still pretty though...unless they've let Neal destroy the coloring. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 15:45:17 GMT -5
So there's a Absolute of the Hard Travelling Heroes era coming out... you guys think it's worth getting in that format, or should I hunt for the actual issues? Be prepared to pay a pretty penny for GL 76 if you are going to hunt down the originals. a 1.0 fair copy is going for over $30 in auction on Lonestar right now and the asking price for a CGC 9.6 copy is $4600, so you may well pay for 76 in decent shape what you would for the entire Absolute Edition. If you can find them, you can get the Baxter Green Arrow/Green Lantern reprint mini from the 80s or the 2 volume trades of the collection form the 90s at better prices. All depends how much you want to spend on the stories. There is a Silver Age Classics and a Millennium Edition of 76 out there as well if you are looking to avoid premium back issue prices too. -M |
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Post by Jesse on Aug 27, 2015 22:28:58 GMT -5
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 28, 2015 18:20:31 GMT -5
So does Green Arrow have the worst rogues gallery in comics or what? Even worse than Green Lantern, and that's pretty bad.
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