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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 15:44:01 GMT -5
I really liked Waid's issues before Shooter, to the point that the latter's run probably paled somewhat in comparison ... but overall I liked them fine. The lack of a wrap-up didn't help, of course.
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 16, 2014 15:47:03 GMT -5
Should I give Shooter's return another try? I tried to read it about 3 years ago and thought it stunk. I thought it had it's moments, but paled in comparison to Waid's great run. On the other hand, I didn't like the 5YG Legion, so your mileage may vary considerably. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 15:52:56 GMT -5
Great minds shrink alike, obviously.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 16, 2014 15:56:40 GMT -5
Faith an' begorrah! It's time for the return of Devlin O'Ryan!
Or, as we referred to him back in the day, Lad Lad. Hahaha. Brilliant. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 16, 2014 16:02:33 GMT -5
Should I give Shooter's return another try? I tried to read it about 3 years ago and thought it stunk. I didn't like the first few issues, but four or five in, I felt that Shooter had found a groove that was working. There was an issue towards the end that had Rick Leonardi art that I really liked. (Manapul wasn't yet the artist he'd become in the intervening years.) Unfortunately, the final issue of his run-- written by 'Justin Thyme', not Shooter-- was one of the single worst issues of any comic I've read in quite some time. I'll often argue that there aren't too many comics that are unreadable from a craft standpoint these days, but that was one of the few.
It's not as good as the Waid/Kitson run-- Kitson is a massively underrated artist in general-- but it is solid. I liked the Bedard issues, too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 16:10:12 GMT -5
Kitson is a massively underrated artist in general Very much agreed. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 16, 2014 17:27:18 GMT -5
I was crushed when Zero Hour came, but loved the Legionnaires and both titles at once, for contrast.
Have to agree, Marvel's handling it better.
With Multiveristy and the next Event coming, we'll see the Legion return.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 19:36:48 GMT -5
Can't wait for Whore-Lass, Whore-Girl and Whore-Damsel to join. If Alan Moore stepped in with Whatever Happened To The Legion, one or all of those three will be raped. But hell, Alan Moore fans will send the book to #1 on the Diamond Top 300. At this point, AM tells DC to kiss his ass...  |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 17, 2014 0:54:27 GMT -5
Can't wait for Whore-Lass, Whore-Girl and Whore-Damsel to join. If Alan Moore stepped in with Whatever Happened To The Legion, one or all of those three will be raped. But hell, Alan Moore fans will send the book to #1 on the Diamond Top 300. At this point, AM tells DC to kiss his ass... At that point, Mark Millar takes over, and EVERYBODY gets raped. Twice! |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 17, 2014 5:39:46 GMT -5
The Legion has been revived,re-numbered,re-booted over and over and over
It's time for a daring move
Give The Legion Of Super-Pets their own book
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 17, 2014 7:46:16 GMT -5
Grim and gritty amuses me when I ponder the implications in relation to the creators that use, and overuse, the method. Most of the guys and gals that write dark material wouldn't last five minutes in the worlds they create, however someone like Carl Bark's or Ray Bradbury, generally positivist creators, had the life experience and grit to survive and thrive in such conditions if needed. (I pick those two simply because I'm reading them both at the moment.) Now I want a comic about Barks and Bradbury fighting zombie ducks from Mars. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 17, 2014 8:00:56 GMT -5
Grim and gritty amuses me when I ponder the implications in relation to the creators that use, and overuse, the method. Most of the guys and gals that write dark material wouldn't last five minutes in the worlds they create, however someone like Carl Bark's or Ray Bradbury, generally positivist creators, had the life experience and grit to survive and thrive in such conditions if needed. (I pick those two simply because I'm reading them both at the moment.) Now I want a comic about Barks and Bradbury fighting zombie ducks from Mars. I thought about that because in the Bark's bio's in the Duck's books it states that he was a logger, a rivet heater and even a mule skinner before he became a professional cartoonist. Bark's seems like the kindest man in interviews (and even his voice is cartoonish) but I have no doubt that he could have taken any of us, and any modern creator, in knife fight. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 17, 2014 8:02:24 GMT -5
The Legion has been revived,re-numbered,re-booted over and over and over It's time for a daring move Give The Legion Of Super-Pets their own book
That would be fun... unless it gets the Nu52 treatment: Krypto is forcibly neutered by his master and loses all affection for mankind. He then gets kryptonite rabies. Comet is captured by the Legion of French Chefs and eaten. Streaky is turned into a human woman, has sex with Starfire, becomes a cyborg and is then revealed to be a Meow Mix elemental. Beppo becomes a born-again creationist. Also, none of them wear capes: they all have long black trench coats. |
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Post by MDG on Jun 17, 2014 11:44:02 GMT -5
Now I want a comic about Barks and Bradbury fighting zombie ducks from Mars. I thought about that because in the Bark's bio's in the Duck's books it states that he was a logger, a rivet heater and even a mule skinner before he became a professional cartoonist. Bark's seems like the kindest man in interviews (and even his voice is cartoonish) but I have no doubt that he could have taken any of us, and any modern creator, in knife fight. He also wasn't above drawing dirty cartoons in the early days. Back to the Legion: Wasn't most of the attraction of the Legion in the silver/bronze simply that it was a large group of super-powered young people without adult supervision? After the success of the X-Men revival, it seemed like that kind of book was coming out of the woodwork. The Legion lost a lot of what made them unique. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 17, 2014 13:09:36 GMT -5
Maybe back in the Silver Age, although I think the sci-fi angle intrigued a lot of people. The Legion was actually at the peak of its popularity in the '80s, though, while the X-franchise was becoming a sales juggernaut. It was actually DC's second best seller pre-Crisis behind New Teen Titans.
I think what most of those proliferating X-style team titles were following were Claremont's style, not necessarily the large cast of characters. (Consider the Kupperberg Doom Patrol, example. Had very little in comic with the orginal DP comics, but the tone and style of Claremont's X-work.) Levitz' work on Legion in the same era always seemed more focused to me-- here's the A-plot with a certain group of characters that will be resolved shortly, here's the B-plot with a different group that will be the next story, and here we go. Whereas Claremont's B-plots lingered for months (and even years) without any sort of resolution (or occasionally, advancement.)
The difference would become even more pronounced in the 5 Year Gap when Giffen would tell his stories in a very tightly-plotted American Flagg!/Watchmen manner with its formal nine panel grid, saavy scene transitions, and refusal to hold the reader's hand through the abundance of reference and detail. That's where I think most traditional Legion fans jumped ship. Whereas the X-books had become generic in their storytelling in that period as they overran the industry. What was radical under Claremont in the late '70s/early '80s would become the cliche-ridden norm for team books.
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