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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 23:35:16 GMT -5
One issue a week old and already optioned for a show. That's sadder than the speculating to me. Then again, just because the TV rights were sold doesn't mean anyone is making a show out of it. I think studios are in a mindset right now where they just want to acquire comic licenses. A comic that hasn't even been released yet is probably a cheap comic license to add to the portfolio. It's a Kirkman horror property, the last one of those to make it to TV did "just alright," so studios were salivating for his new horror property.... -M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 23:44:38 GMT -5
I have no doubt he created it strictly to sell the TV rights, which is why whoever bought the rights will be kicking themselves later unless they got it at a bargain. He can announce a new series next month and sell the rights to that one before anything hits the stands as well. How many times do you think he can do that before they realize what he's doing? I'm thinking maybe ten.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 23:47:29 GMT -5
One issue a week old and already optioned for a show. That's sadder than the speculating to me. Is it? I think Stephen King had books optioned for movies before they were even written (IIRC, that is). Kirkman's name is synonymous with a #1 tv smash so I can see people getting excited by another creation of his. Now if only he'd do a chick oriented theme for Lifetime...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 23:51:52 GMT -5
How many hit books did Stephen King have to write to gain that notoriety? Kirkman is behind one hit show.
I wonder if Larry David even has that kind of pull in TV?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 0:08:23 GMT -5
I've never seen him limit one per customer, but we only have one regular who tries to flip books on ebay as a side business, and our policy with him is no second copies of anything unless your file is cleared out, which is rarely the case. Buy the stuff on your pull you requested before you clean us out of books you didn't have on your pull...which to me is not unreasonable. -M From a seller's perpective, that's fair, if he wants to use his pull-list coin to snap up other books instead. We've had the odd customer who has tried to substitute a pull-list book with another and we declined the sale. When one guy threatened to do his business elsewhere, I told him to go ahead, then he watched in horror as I emptied his bag and removed his books. (He's a 4-8 issue customer at best, someone I can afford to say go f*ck yourself too). On the other hand, we have 2 major regulars, one's a dentist who orders up to 50 books and the other is from Dubai, whose back-issue purchases sometimes tops $3,000 in one pop. Luckily, they are good customers and I'm lenient with them if they want to swap a single book. If I'm not speculating on a book myself, and one of our regulars wants to buy multiples, then resell, I really don't mind otherwise. The alternative is, watching those new issues go in a discount bin...which comic-store really wants to sell books below cost?
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Post by Randle-El on Jun 30, 2014 14:03:22 GMT -5
One issue a week old and already optioned for a show. That's sadder than the speculating to me. Then again, just because the TV rights were sold doesn't mean anyone is making a show out of it. I think studios are in a mindset right now where they just want to acquire comic licenses. A comic that hasn't even been released yet is probably a cheap comic license to add to the portfolio. This doesn't bother me in the least. They are TV executives -- it's their job to look for hot properties and turn them in to ratings giants. And if it turns out to be a good show, then I'd be happy to check it out. Besides, this is characteristic of a wider trend of TV and movie producers looking to publishing for concepts. More specifically, they are looking to publishing for pre-packaged franchises with built-in fanbase that can easily be spun into a wider media franchise -- TV, film, comics, novels, video games, merchandise, etc. Everyone is looking for the next Harry Potter, Hunger Games, or Walking Dead. A guy I am friends with on FB recently posted about his wife's forthcoming young adult fantasy novel. I don't think it comes out until next year, but Paramount has already bought the rights to it. Speculating, on the other hand, makes it harder for others to enjoy comics so I am bothered by that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 18:44:29 GMT -5
Speculating, on the other hand, makes it harder for others to enjoy comics so I am bothered by that. 2nd prints help. They always follow a sold-out first print and in most instances, remain at cover price or less compared to their 1st print counterparts. It's a bit of a two-edged sword. Retailers and publishers are glad when a book sells and don't care if one buyer sharpie buys out everything. It can be a bother though, when books are bought this way before they hit the shelves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 20:11:33 GMT -5
And then you get dealers who think, oh the second print has a smaller print run than the first so I will charge more than cover for it...and the third has an even smaller print run...and...until you have Lonestar paying $10 in credit for 3rd printing of new52 Batman #1 because they are charging 3-4 times that for a later printing in some cases...so no 2nd prints don't always help.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 20:20:36 GMT -5
And then you get dealers who think, oh the second print has a smaller print run than the first so I will charge more than cover for it...and the third has an even smaller print run...and...until you have Lonestar paying $10 in credit for 3rd printing of new52 Batman #1 because they are charging 3-4 times that for a later printing in some cases...so no 2nd prints don't always help. -M Are you saying dealers charge premiums on 2nd prints, 3rd prints etc when they're ordered by customers? If there's any surplus stock, and someone wants to speculate on those too, fair game. I remember buying a few extra copies of Batman 608 2nd print...my dealer got less copies than he actually ordered, and his rival got 10...so I picked up about 10 thinking it might be a hot book. And it was...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 20:33:35 GMT -5
Second prints can be problematic. I have stopped frequenting shops because of their policies on them before. Some dealers won't order them because they do not want to hurt the price or demand for the first printings in their shop. Others order them, but never put them out on the shelves, and just price them for a premium for cons and wall books down the road. Others only offer them at cover for pull customers if they were short on first prints, or pull customers who specifically requested them, but do not put copies out for general sale.
Not all dealers do this mind you, some just put them out there for their customers to pick up as they want, but there are a significant few who use them to capitalize on speculator greed fueled by their own greed. Most of the local shops around here are really good about making second printings available to customers, but there are a few who are not.
However in general, I see the smaller print runs of second and later printings fueling speculation and creating artificial demand for it rather than getting the books into the hands of people who want to read them. The same few guys who snapped up copies of the first printings are snapping up copies of the later printings to speculate on them because of the lower print runs.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 20:40:12 GMT -5
The way speculating hurts the industry is people buy crates worth of comics that aren't actually any good, because they want all the covers, because it's a #1, first appearance, death, resurrection, marriage, or fancy foil cover of something, and not because it's a good story. They buy because it's a relaunch, reboot, retcon, renumbering, or because they simply want to have a full set and have been buying out of habit for decades. They buy comics they hate, carefully store them, and complain about how much they suck online every month. All the while truly great comics, real pieces of art/literature, don't sell enough copies to make a profit because it didn't have a Campbell variant cover. It dilutes an art form with gimmicks for profit, to the point the art is actually difficult to find on actual store shelves. It's the reason great artists who can do work like this Get more fame, noteriety, and wealth doing work like this It never results in quality art and storytelling
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 0:13:38 GMT -5
DC's Adventures of Superman #14 released about 2 weeks ago is selling for anywhere around $15 now because of the (fairly) low print issue which features The Joker.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 7, 2014 15:07:25 GMT -5
really? That totally makes me want to sell it after I read it.
People are nuts... that book is totally going to be in a bargain bin in a year... I'm only still pulling it because I want to encourage the publishers to print their digital offerings (not that it isn't good, because it is)... crazy that it's worth anything, though.
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Post by Jasoomian on Jul 7, 2014 15:38:57 GMT -5
Do the indicia indicate that a copy of Afterlife With Archie is a second printing or not? Are there any other indicators?
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 7, 2014 15:51:42 GMT -5
Do the indicia indicate that a copy of Afterlife With Archie is a second printing or not? Are there any other indicators? I don't know about the indicia, but it should say "2nd Printing Variant" right on the cover above the issue number coffin box. As so:
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