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Post by brutalis on Oct 11, 2017 12:18:29 GMT -5
Has anyone here read any of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol series? What do you think was the appeal to readers on his Doom Patrol run? The draw for many was the weird and quirky stories. Heroes and villains were all nontraditional and the adventures emphasized the strangeness and oddness to the extremes. Morrison treated the series as his own personal experiment to deliver a higher consciousness of thought and resemble more of the higher profile literature aspects. He uses lots of allusion and references to build his own world for the DP to dwell in. Nothing contradicts then current DCU but mostly he treats the series as being his own personal take on super-heroics and villainy. It was very different from any other comic and those differences made it so you either fell in love with the Morrison DP or you hated it with a vengeance. Most liked it for being unique. For me it was hit or miss at times but mostly an interesting read.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 11, 2017 12:57:47 GMT -5
I read the beginning and a bit later on; but, Morrison's weirdness overwhelmed it, for me. I have the same problem with Zenith. It starts well, but goes south, for me, when he crosses into the other dimensional world, where he meets other versions of himself and other British comic characters. I wanted to like Invisibles; but, it was a little too self-indulgent for my sensibilities. I also tend to find Morrison a bit off-putting, in interviews, as he comes across like a serious BS artist, in many, and it kind of turns me off his work. I suspect he talks a bigger drug game than he ever actually practiced. One thing is for sure, he desperately wanted to be Michael Moorcock. Not saying that his work isn't good and several notches above most; but, I find his work very hit and miss and that he borrows extensively from others. All-Star Superman was great; but, thee was a whole lot of Eliott S! Maggin and Cary Bates filtered in there.
I liked DP well enough at the start of his run (which I read when they released the first trade, as I jumped ship when Erik Larsen started as artist, ack when it was in the early days of relaunch), as he was doing something really interesting with it. Later on, I tried to get into it, and really wanted to like it; but found that I was missing a lot of material and was left cold by some of what he was doing. I did enjoy his parody of the Image crowd, though. Animal Man worked better for me, than Doom Patrol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:15:39 GMT -5
I read it as it came out (I think I started with issue #21 or 22 and went back and the first few just thereafter). At the time it was a breath of fresh air on the stands and wasn't the same old tired formula for super-hero comics coming from the big 2. It was quirky and appealed to some of the same tonal elements I had discovered in Sandman (which came out a few months before and I was hoping on at the same time) that engaged me on more than one level when I was reading it.
However, it hasn't aged all that well with me, and there really only was an illusion of depth there, more a veneer than actual substantive content. It's still worth checking out, but it's not what I thought it was when it was coming out.
-M
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 11, 2017 13:28:39 GMT -5
It's been a long time since I've read Morrison's Doom Patrol. I liked it at the time, but haven't re-visited it.
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Post by berkley on Oct 11, 2017 22:18:04 GMT -5
Are most of the Astro City characters DC analogues? I know there's a Superman and a Wonder Woman and kind of a Batman, but can't think of an marvel -based characters off the top of my head. I've read only one trade so far, though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 22:29:13 GMT -5
Are most of the Astro City characters DC analogues? I know there's a Superman and a Wonder Woman and kind of a Batman, but can't think of an marvel -based characters off the top of my head. I've read only one trade so far, though. Off the top of my head, Silver Agent is a Captain America analogue at least. First Family is a Fantastic Four analogue. -M
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Post by Crimebuster on Oct 11, 2017 22:55:05 GMT -5
Are most of the Astro City characters DC analogues? I know there's a Superman and a Wonder Woman and kind of a Batman, but can't think of an marvel -based characters off the top of my head. I've read only one trade so far, though. N-Forcer is an iron man type.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 12, 2017 2:26:15 GMT -5
Has anyone here read any of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol series? What do you think was the appeal to readers on his Doom Patrol run? The single most original bursting-with-ideas superhero comic I've ever read. Love it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 6:33:43 GMT -5
Has anyone here read any of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol series? What do you think was the appeal to readers on his Doom Patrol run? I find it quite interesting and the feel of this group was totally different and Morrison's had his own stamp and appeal that made his own personal experiences very relevant and most of all he made it to draw on his own subconscious mind that's unique in every way possible. It took me awhile to understand it and it's not easy for me to explain it; but I did enjoy it. It not his best work in the 90's ... but his JLA and Animal Man is. Morrison is not an easy person to understand and this is best that I can do ...
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 12, 2017 7:56:36 GMT -5
Are most of the Astro City characters DC analogues? I know there's a Superman and a Wonder Woman and kind of a Batman, but can't think of an marvel -based characters off the top of my head. I've read only one trade so far, though. Crackerjack is a sort of Spider-Man/Daredevil analogue, in that he is a wisecracking swashbuckler, swinging from rooftops. Black Badge is a murderous vigilante, ala The Punisher (and Mack Bolan, who inspired Frank Castle). Astro City deals in archetypes and Marvel never really had many characters that were a unique archetype. Most had a precedent elsewhere. However, many of the characters in Astro City follow the Marvel template in terms of style and personality. It really depends on the character. So many of Busiek's stories are more about the people than their role as a hero. The Samaritan story is less about his super-heroics than it is about the daily routine of this man and his longing for a few moments of the pure bliss of flying. The Firt Family story is about Astra longing to be a regular girl and to be with other children her own age, not the fantastic adventures of the family. Astro City is a superhero book about people, not superheroics.
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Post by Crimebuster on Oct 12, 2017 8:36:29 GMT -5
I'm blanking on his name, but the older wizard guy with the female apprentice he's having a relationship with is a Doctor Strange type.
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 12, 2017 10:21:23 GMT -5
I'm blanking on his name, but the older wizard guy with the female apprentice he's having a relationship with is a Doctor Strange type. This guy? Simon Magus and Grimoire.
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Post by batusi on Oct 12, 2017 11:45:32 GMT -5
Ok, I could probably google this for the answer, but since I am here...didn't Mary Jane give birth to Peter Parker's baby some years back and it was thought to be dead, but was stolen? So is there a baby, where is it?
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Post by The Cheat on Oct 12, 2017 15:10:48 GMT -5
Crackerjack is a sort of Spider-Man/Daredevil analogue, in that he is a wisecracking swashbuckler, swinging from rooftops. I always got a Hawkeye vibe from Crackerjack. Jack-in-the-Box would be the Spider-Man analogue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 15:28:25 GMT -5
Ok, I could probably google this for the answer, but since I am here...didn't Mary Jane give birth to Peter Parker's baby some years back and it was thought to be dead, but was stolen? So is there a baby, where is it? Answer: OMD. Only Mephisto & Joe Quesada know where little May is.
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