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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 8:54:37 GMT -5
Interesting analysis Reptisaurus.I would disagree that the writing in Jungle Action sucked though. For me, JA and especially Killraven, were among of the better written books of the 70s. I did not have a problem with the wordiness.
But vanilla and chocolate and all.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 8:56:41 GMT -5
Yesterday I had a guy come to my house to I've me an estimate door my upstairs floors. As we were talking, He noticed that I had comics in my living room and told me he was a collector also. He showed me videos and pictures of his collection which happened to be graded books with signatures on it. My question is , is there anyone else credited with creating Captain America besides Simon and Kirby ? He had a video of a short older man in a booth with Captain America prints which he had signed. As far as I know it was just Simon and Kirby. Perhaps he was an artist who also drew the Captain at some point. Steranko sells Cap prints for instance.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 10, 2018 9:15:48 GMT -5
I couldn't disagree more that the Kirby Panther run was better written than the McGregor run. McGregor could be terrible--he was all wrong for Power Man--but I think his writing on Jungle Action and Amazing Adventures was powerful. That said, I really wished I'd picked up the Kirby version back when you could find mint copies of the complete run in the dollar boxes at conventions.
Cei-U! I summon the lost opportunity!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 10:36:37 GMT -5
I know it’s utterly ridiculous but I love the oversized cape that McFarlane gave Batman:
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 10:57:08 GMT -5
People seem to love or hate McFarlane. I liked the way he drew Spider-Man and I liked Spawn. He was the first artist since Romita to give Spider-Man a truly new look and re-invented the way the webbing was depicted. People may have disliked that, but it was innovative. OTOH, in his public dealings with Peter David and Gaiman he was a bit of an a-hole. I also don't think he was a very good writer.
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 10, 2018 11:17:42 GMT -5
Yesterday I had a guy come to my house to I've me an estimate door my upstairs floors. As we were talking, He noticed that I had comics in my living room and told me he was a collector also. He showed me videos and pictures of his collection which happened to be graded books with signatures on it. My question is , is there anyone else credited with creating Captain America besides Simon and Kirby ? He had a video of a short older man in a booth with Captain America prints which he had signed. As far as I know it was just Simon and Kirby. Perhaps he was an artist who also drew the Captain at some point. Steranko sells Cap prints for instance. I bet the man in the video was Allan Bellman. He worked on Captain America in the 40's after Simon and Kirby left for DC, and he's still around, making the convention circuit. I've seen him at a number of shows, and I have a signed Cap print from him.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 11:30:51 GMT -5
You are probably right Crimebuster. Hey Icct, is this the guy?
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 10, 2018 13:02:25 GMT -5
Yesterday I had a guy come to my house to I've me an estimate door my upstairs floors. As we were talking, He noticed that I had comics in my living room and told me he was a collector also. He showed me videos and pictures of his collection which happened to be graded books with signatures on it. My question is , is there anyone else credited with creating Captain America besides Simon and Kirby ? He had a video of a short older man in a booth with Captain America prints which he had signed. Simon & Kirby are the sole creators; but, they only worked on the first ten issues, before leaving for DC. After that, several people handled the character, especially Syd Shores. Vince Alascia, of Charlton "fame," handled pencils on stories (with Allan Bellman inking) in issues of All-Select and All-Winners comics, while also taking over on inks for Shores, when Al Avison went into the military. Shores, Avison and Alascia are all gone now.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 10, 2018 13:54:18 GMT -5
You are probably right Crimebuster. Hey Icct, is this the guy? This is the person on the video that I saw. The person showing me the tape said he was the creator but I got the feeling that he was lacking in a historical knowledge of comics. He appeared to be just a person that buys it for the investment aspect.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 10, 2018 14:07:36 GMT -5
I know it’s utterly ridiculous but I love the oversized cape that McFarlane gave Batman: Looked great on Batman: But not on Superman: People seem to love or hate McFarlane. I liked the way he drew Spider-Man and I liked Spawn. He was the first artist since Romita to give Spider-Man a truly new look and re-invented the way the webbing was depicted. People may have disliked that, but it was innovative. OTOH, in his public dealings with Peter David and Gaiman he was a bit of an a-hole. I also don't think he was a very good writer. My issues with McFarlane have less to do with his art (which is enjoyable, but IMO not worthy of the level of near-worship it received), and more with his business dealings throughout. Virtually all evidence points to him being (as you say) an a-hole with nearly everyone who stood to prevent Todd from getting what Todd wanted. Even looking into the history of Image, it's clear it was less about championing creator rights and more about championing Todd's rights. He stepped on a lot of toes to get where he got, and he didn't bring anyone along for the ride who didn't directly benefit him. But really, my asking if there was something wrong with the guy is more about the video than any of this stuff I've just written.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 10, 2018 19:23:30 GMT -5
You are probably right Crimebuster. Hey Icct, is this the guy? This is the person on the video that I saw. The person showing me the tape said he was the creator but I got the feeling that he was lacking in a historical knowledge of comics. He appeared to be just a person that buys it for the investment aspect. That is Allen Bellman . He drew Golden Age Cap. I don't think he claims to be a creator. But it would be like Dick Sprang or Wayne Boring. Totally legit. His website: www.allenbellman.com/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 20:20:12 GMT -5
I know it’s utterly ridiculous but I love the oversized cape that McFarlane gave Batman: That's one of major reasons that I've like McFarlane did to Batman and this picture that The Bearded Batman shared with us is an excellent example of visual impact on the pages of Batman and it's done in a powerful way that I've liked so well. I know its ridiculous to many of you here ... but, I loved it for the IMPACT its brings!
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Post by Confessor on Feb 10, 2018 22:44:28 GMT -5
Having analysed that video, with the help of seven of the world's most advanced computers, and R2-D2, I can confirm that, yes...yes, he is. I still kinda like his art of Spider-Man though.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 10, 2018 23:55:05 GMT -5
Quite frankly, I have never been a fan of any of the Image guys. Part of it was that they tended to run off at the mouth, while keeping their brains turned off, when they launched the whole thing. The other part was I never cared for any of their styles. Way to much linework and not enough attention to storytelling. Jim Lee was one of the few who thought before he spoke; but, he quickly showed he wasn't about creator's rights when he set up a studio to churn out stuff that he owned. I'm also not a fan of him as an executive at DC. Erik Larsen probably shot his mouth off more than the others (his infamous "Name Withheld" pieces at CBG); but, he mostly stuck to producing his own book and did so consistently and relatively on time. i give him props for that. He was also less derivative than the others (other than a visual design swiped from the Hulk and Abomination). I learned to ignore their stuff and they quieted down after a few years. I do have to say I have more respect for Jim Valentino keeping his connections to the alternative world and being instrumental in drawing some higher quality projects to Image. I think he did more than the rest to open the company up to more artistic content, setting them up for the diversity they have now.
If and when I get around to Image, in the Other Guys thread, I am going to have a tough time being objective. I don't want to slag off things I don't like in the thread; but, there is plenty at Image I did and do like. Spawn isn't one of them. At the time the advanced marketing started for the first issue, I looked at the designs in CBG and said, "Grendel wants his mask back, Ghost Rider wants his chains, and Spectre and Spider-Man would like a word or two." Then, when the first issue came out, there was that horrendously bad writing. I could have gotten a third grade remedial class to come up with better material than that! Wasn't there also a baby in it, with a gigantic head, since Todd couldn't draw children to proper proportions?
It was still better than Youngblood, though. Yeesh!!!!!!!
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 11, 2018 0:19:06 GMT -5
Come on cody, tell us what you really think.
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