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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 23, 2019 8:24:08 GMT -5
Yes thanks ^ that makes sense and thank you for clearing up my question. How about this one...why is Adam Legend of the Blue Marvel #1 an issue that is worth so much? It ran 3 issues right? Was it low print and a great story? Is there something I’m missing? It looks intriguing but not $100 intriguing. That is weird... is Blue Marvel suddenly a big deal in the MU these days? He seems like the sort of character that will rarely, if ever, be written by anyone but his creator. Though since that Minin is by someone that's not Joe Ewing, maybe I'm wrong. He was a pretty cool character in what I've read in Ultimates (sorta a combo of Reed Richards and Superman), but not worth $100 for a mini.
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Post by MDG on Sept 23, 2019 9:00:50 GMT -5
A thought that just crossed my mind reading this... did they ever do a team-up of SPIDER-WOMAN, SHE-HULK and MS. MARVEL ? Seems like they should have. This post in another thread got me thinking: has there ever been of male spin-off of a female character?
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Post by Farrar on Sept 23, 2019 9:26:03 GMT -5
This post in another thread got me thinking: has there ever been of male spin-off of a female character? Actually later on the Legion did have at least a couple of knock-offs: Shadow Kid and Dream Boy. And would the android Red Tornado fit the bill, since the original Red Tornado was a woman?
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 23, 2019 12:00:52 GMT -5
Ah, Red Tornado. How I loved his (re)appearance in that JLA-JSA team-up. Can't think of any others off the top of my head, though, Farrar. Although variations of a name don't count, we have had Wonder Man.
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 23, 2019 15:35:16 GMT -5
A thought that just crossed my mind reading this... did they ever do a team-up of SPIDER-WOMAN, SHE-HULK and MS. MARVEL ? Seems like they should have. This post in another thread got me thinking: has there ever been of male spin-off of a female character? Do sidekicks count? For the last two issues of her superhero run, Black Cat was joined by a boy sidekick named Black Kitten:
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Post by foxley on Sept 23, 2019 16:35:22 GMT -5
A thought that just crossed my mind reading this... did they ever do a team-up of SPIDER-WOMAN, SHE-HULK and MS. MARVEL ? Seems like they should have. This post in another thread got me thinking: has there ever been of male spin-off of a female character? Powerboy (although he ultimately turned out to be a villain):
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Post by Crimebuster on Sept 23, 2019 16:42:33 GMT -5
Oh, here's an obvious one - after The Wasp was killed in Secret Invasion, Hank Pym changed his code name to The Wasp as a tribute to her:
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 23, 2019 22:30:35 GMT -5
This post in another thread got me thinking: has there ever been of male spin-off of a female character? Actually later on the Legion did have at least a couple of knock-offs: Shadow Kid and Dream Boy. And would the android Red Tornado fit the bill, since the original Red Tornado was a woman? For some reason, this has me thinking of the exoticos who wrestle in lucha libre, in Mexico.... (in Spanish, some NSFW language)
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Post by foxley on Sept 23, 2019 22:54:33 GMT -5
Catman explicitly took his inspiration from Catwoman, even boasting that he would be a more successful criminal because she was "just a woman" (or words to that effect. I'll check the exact quote later).
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Post by unionhowler on Sept 25, 2019 9:27:03 GMT -5
Hello,
I'm looking for a comic book I read back in the 1970s. Unfortunately, I don't know what the name of the comic book was or the title of the story I read. But if someone here could help me find it, it would be a miracle.
In the 1970s, I was a kid collecting comics. Today, I'm a Civil War historian. The story I read was probably in one of the many war comic books that were available back then; I just don't know which one. Anyway, here is my post about it. It's copied from another forum thread called civilwartalk.com. Thanks to anyone who knows anything about this.
I just remembered a reference to Black Confederates in the 1970s. Back then, I was a kid collecting comic books and I remember reading an issue (I’m pretty sure it was DC Comics; it may have been Marvel but other than that, I can't tell you what specific comic book it was) with a Civil War story where a White Confederate soldier becomes separated from his unit through circumstances I can't remember. I most likely read this story between 1975-1979.
Anyway, in the dark of night, the Confederate soldier finds an enigmatic, shadowy, solitary figure who graciously leads him through to safety. Though the two men spend the whole time talking, the mystery man does not reveal himself. And, as I recall, the soldier never sees fit to ask enough questions and is simply grateful to be with another Southerner. He has to entrust everything he has to this stranger. By the last panel, some goal is finally reached and the moonlight reveals all: the mystery man is Black. As I recall, he was wearing a uniform. I seem to remember a slouch hat and military buttons. I also remember the look of shock on the White soldier's face; that he had spent the whole night with a man he never realized was Black. I'm guessing many readers of the story were similarly shocked, as well.
Anyway, I just wanted to share this. Perhaps someone else here is familiar with this story. I'd be really shocked if anyone knew the comic issue this story was in. It's my earliest recollection of the Black Confederate Soldier Myth.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 25, 2019 9:47:48 GMT -5
Hello,
I'm looking for a comic book I read back in the 1970s. Unfortunately, I don't know what the name of the comic book was or the title of the story I read. But if someone here could help me find it, it would be a miracle.
In the 1970s, I was a kid collecting comics. Today, I'm a Civil War historian. The story I read was probably in one of the many war comic books that were available back then; I just don't know which one. Anyway, here is my post about it. It's copied from another forum thread called civilwartalk.com. Thanks to anyone who knows anything about this.I just remembered a reference to Black Confederates in the 1970s. Back then, I was a kid collecting comic books and I remember reading an issue (I’m pretty sure it was DC Comics; it may have been Marvel but other than that, I can't tell you what specific comic book it was) with a Civil War story where a White Confederate soldier becomes separated from his unit through circumstances I can't remember. I most likely read this story between 1975-1979.
Anyway, in the dark of night, the Confederate soldier finds an enigmatic, shadowy, solitary figure who graciously leads him through to safety. Though the two men spend the whole time talking, the mystery man does not reveal himself. And, as I recall, the soldier never sees fit to ask enough questions and is simply grateful to be with another Southerner. He has to entrust everything he has to this stranger. By the last panel, some goal is finally reached and the moonlight reveals all: the mystery man is Black. As I recall, he was wearing a uniform. I seem to remember a slouch hat and military buttons. I also remember the look of shock on the White soldier's face; that he had spent the whole night with a man he never realized was Black. I'm guessing many readers of the story were similarly shocked, as well.
Anyway, I just wanted to share this. Perhaps someone else here is familiar with this story. I'd be really shocked if anyone knew the comic issue this story was in. It's my earliest recollection of the Black Confederate Soldier Myth.
Doesn't sound at all familiar to me, I'm afraid, though I'd lean toward DC comics as a possible source; they did use a various types of back-up stories in the 70s. I recall Ric Estrada illustrating a couple of Civil War stories in books like Our Army at War. Some were essentially wordless, too, which this story sounds as if it could have been. Could it have been from one of the Western titles, perhaps? Jonah Hex or Weird Western? They might have run a back-up occasionally. OTOH, the subject matter doesn't sound like DC at the time. Not sure someone like Kanigher, who wrote the bulk of the DC war stories then, would have used the black Confederate soldier twist to illustrate the brotherhood theme. It would have been more likely that he'd have made the black character a Union soldier or a runaway slave. DC stories about prejudice Not sure if it could have been from an underground comic. I don't think there were too many oriented toward war stories. Other posters here are very knowledgeable about underground alternative publishers from those years. Maybe they'd have an idea. Looking for a needle in haystack isn't necessarily difficult, just time-consuming. You could check the GCD www.comics.org/ or Mike's Amazing World of Comics www.mikesamazingworld.com/mikes/index.php for clues. They show all the covers and list story titles (sometimes summaries, too); as a historian, you are probably used to that kind of digging.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 25, 2019 11:27:54 GMT -5
Really doesn't sound like a DC war comic, in the 70s. If they wanted to tackle the subject, it would tend to be more overt and talk about the actual history.
It doesn't sound like Charlton, as they seemed to stick more in the WW2 and Korea eras, with some Vietnam (Shotgun Harker & Chicken). They weren't as big on earlier periods. Marvel was really only doing Sgt Fury, though there was War is Hell, which reprinted old Atlas war stories. I checked through it and they had a couple of Civil War stories; but, nothing like you describe. Captain Savage and Combat Kelly were WW2 books.
DC would seem you best bet. Might try Weird War, for a twist like that. They were usually horror stories; but, it's a possibility.
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Post by unionhowler on Sept 25, 2019 12:00:57 GMT -5
Hi Prince Hal and codystarbuck, Big thanks for your replies and suggestions. I meant to edit my post before lunch to say that I believe it was DC and not Marvel. The story was one of a number of stories in the comic and I'm pretty sure it was published in the 1970s. That story was one of many that I found in comic books in those days of interracial collaborations and fighting teams that seemed to take off in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement. I was a huge fan of Sgt. Fury (particularly the Severin artwork). Looking back, it's really interesting that the comic debuted in 1963 with a Black soldier fighting in WWII alongside White men... which didn't significantly happen because of the segregated military. And I may be wrong but I *think* DC's Sgt. Rock also had a token Black soldier in his unit. Other interracial fighting teams included Captain America and the Falcon; and Power Man and Iron Fist. Thanks for the database links. That's what I was looking for. And yes, Prince Hal, I'm "used to that kind of digging" for the reasons you mention.
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 25, 2019 13:21:06 GMT -5
Hi Prince Hal and codystarbuck, Big thanks for your replies and suggestions. I meant to edit my post before lunch to say that I believe it was DC and not Marvel. The story was one of a number of stories in the comic and I'm pretty sure it was published in the 1970s. That story was one of many that I found in comic books in those days of interracial collaborations and fighting teams that seemed to take off in the wake of the Civil Rights Movement. I was a huge fan of Sgt. Fury (particularly the Severin artwork). Looking back, it's really interesting that the comic debuted in 1963 with a Black soldier fighting in WWII alongside White men... which didn't significantly happen because of the segregated military. And I may be wrong but I *think* DC's Sgt. Rock also had a token Black soldier in his unit. Other interracial fighting teams included Captain America and the Falcon; and Power Man and Iron Fist. Thanks for the database links. That's what I was looking for. And yes, Prince Hal, I'm "used to that kind of digging" for the reasons you mention. Not to be a nit-picker, but (1) Jackie Johnson debuted in Our Army at War 113 in 1961; Gabe Jones, the black soldier in Sgt. Fury, didn't appear until 1963. I wouldn't doubt that Stan Lee included Gabe because of Jackie's presence in OAAW. And (2), I wouldn't call Jackie a "token" character. Black characters were featured exactly nowhere in comic books when he was introduced in one of that series' most memorable stories, "Eyes of a Blind Gunner," and his skin color had nothing to do with the plot. Temporarily blinded, he served as the trigger man for Wild Man, whose hands were injured. Together, they became one functioning and deadly soldier. Probably Jackie's most memorable story, though, was "What's the Color of Your Blood?," in OAAW 160 (Nov 1965), which re-stages the Louis-Schmelling fight on the front. One of Kubert and Kanihger's finest stories. I suppose one might argue that any black character in comics in those days was a token, but the use of the term implies that there was pressure to include a black character for whatever reasons. Kanigher simply introduced Jackie into Easy Company with no fanfare at all. He was then, and remained, simply one of the "combat-happy Joes of Easy Co." as Sgt. Rock frequently called them. Stereotypical? Again, arguable, and if true, no more stereotypical than the rest of Rock and Fury's outfits, which were very much like the standard ethnic crazy-quilt platoons in movies about WW2. (Or about WWI, for that matter.) Jackie was an ex-fighter with cauliflower ears and Gabe a jazz trumpeter who blew a bugle in battle, but let's face it, those professions would hardly have been considered atypical for African-American men in the 1940s. Out of the ordinary perhaps, but not improbable. But I'd argue that neither character, though hardly fully developed, was a token or stereotype. If you find that story, let us know, okay? Oh, and welcome aboard, howler!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 25, 2019 14:23:26 GMT -5
(...) Anyway, I just wanted to share this. Perhaps someone else here is familiar with this story. I'd be really shocked if anyone knew the comic issue this story was in. It's my earliest recollection of the Black Confederate Soldier Myth.
I can't help you with the story in question, as I was more of a sporadic reader of either war and Western comics back in the 1970s, but on the topic of the Black Confederate soldier myth in comics, Marvel's early '70s series Gunhawks featured a character, Reno Jones, who was both a former slave and a former Confederate soldier - in fact, he was owned by the father of the other Gunhawk, Kid Cassidy. His past is recounted in flashbacks in the first issue of Gunhawks (published in 1972). It's frankly a pretty appalling story, as Jones talks about how his owner was actually a good man who treated him like a son. It's very much built on the 'happy singing slaves on the plantation' myth or at least the 'some slaves didn't have it so bad' myth.
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