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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 17:36:51 GMT -5
oooh, see, I LOVE Sienkiewicz's art. By the time he was on art, I was already attached to the characters, and I enjoyed the Demon Bear arc with his art. It was soooo fitting. Yeah, it gets pretty dark, I suppose, but for whatever reason it doesn't bother me, which is weird because I typically dislike "dark" comics. Or, I should say, I dislike comics that start out fun and light-hearted and then go dark. It seems sudden and jarring. But I found it interesting to go that direction with a teen book. Maybe that's why I love it so much? I feel it's appropriately dark enough for a teen book. Nonsensical, but relatable? Yeah, agreed. Bill Sein etc.... is my favorite superhero artist, full stop. But he was a weird fit for the "Junior X-Men," though - He's not a guy who I'd pick for youth oriented lighter, Teen Titans-y stories. Did Claremont just really want to work with him? I really should read the rest of the New Mutants someday. Every scattered issue I've read I've enjoyed. I have not come across anything, yet that is too creepy, imo. And I'd be the first to say something is too creepy. |
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Post by earl on Dec 1, 2015 19:16:22 GMT -5
Considering how popular 70s and 80s X-men seems to be, I'm kind of surprised they haven't done a "complete" trade series and compiled in order of release all these 'team up' issues perhaps in order with the regular comic.
I think that would be a good way to add a volume to say the X-men Epic collections if they wanted. Some of the issues would fit in well in a reading order with the classic comics too like the few Wolverine issues of Alpha Flight, Marvel Team Up issues and say the Iron Fist and other crossovers. A big one to include would be the Marvel Fanfare story with Spider-man and X-men in the Savage Land.
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 2, 2015 2:49:20 GMT -5
Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written? Well it's just an opinion, but it often comes down to what you read growing up, though it's tough to beat Stan, as he set the tone for much of Spider-Man. After him, I would probably pick Roger Stern. His was a smart, funny, action-packed run. I also have a soft spot for the Gerry Conway era, as that's when I started reading Spider-Man. For me, it would be the Len Wein/Ross Andru era first and foremost, as that was when I got into Spidey. After that, Roger Stern, then Stan. Sorry, heresy, I know! (and to make matters worse, my favourite Spidey villain is Stegron the Dinosaur Man) |
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Post by berkley on Dec 2, 2015 3:04:30 GMT -5
Also: YAY Nightcrawler fan! I'm not sure there are many of us here? To me, Claremont's best (that I've read so far) is his New Mutants. I think it's even better than his X-Men. Oh, I used to love Nightcrawler, back when he was the happy-go-lucky, swashbuckling elf. That was before Claremont turned him into a priest (which the guy who actually created Nightcrawler, Dave Cockrum, hated). Ugh. When did that happen? When I first read this post I thought it must have been after I stopped reading X-Men, around #150, because when I say Nightcrawler was my favourite X-Person I definitely had in mind that swash-buckling persona; but now I think about it I seem to have a vague recollection of the religious thing too, so maybe that change was introduced before I left off following the series. Unless it's just that I heard about it years later on the internets, that's always possible. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 2, 2015 10:38:37 GMT -5
Oh, I used to love Nightcrawler, back when he was the happy-go-lucky, swashbuckling elf. That was before Claremont turned him into a priest (which the guy who actually created Nightcrawler, Dave Cockrum, hated). Ugh. When did that happen? When I first read this post I thought it must have been after I stopped reading X-Men, around #150, because when I say Nightcrawler was my favourite X-Person I definitely had in mind that swash-buckling persona; but now I think about it I seem to have a vague recollection of the religious thing too, so maybe that change was introduced before I left off following the series. Unless it's just that I heard about it years later on the internets, that's always possible. You got out at the right time! It happened some time after Dave Cockrum (who created Nightcrawler and strongly objected to this handling of him) had left the book with #164, but even in the one issue that Cockrum missed (#158), Claremont stuck some sort of religious thing (Nightcrawler uses a cross to repel Dracula, and says he's a believer) but I stopped collecting the X-Men around 1988, and I don't think there was too much Nightcrawler religiosity at that point. Apparently, though, Claremont went so far as to make Nightcrawler a priest, I think in 2000. When X2 came out, I was shocked and disappointed in the potrayal of one of my favorite characters, and did my internet research to find out that Nightcrawler had become so religious. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 2, 2015 13:41:43 GMT -5
Actually, I think that in X-Men #165, the very fist issue after Cockrum left the book (Claremont didn't waste any time, did he?) Nightcrawler finally mentions that he is Catholic and discusses his faith with Wolverine. It wasn't until many years later that he actually becomes a priest.
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Post by Pat T on Dec 2, 2015 14:25:33 GMT -5
Denny O'Neil's Spider-Man is adorably funny. #211 has one of my favorite scenes of a befuddled Peter trying to escape a noisy neighbor by doing a little web-swinging, with predictably un-heroic results:
(SPOILER ALERT for a 35 year-old gag)
His PANTS. This is totally why I should have lived my prime in the 70s. That page is hilarious. And now I know why Spider-Man is a favorite of many. Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 14:36:43 GMT -5
His PANTS. This is totally why I should have lived my prime in the 70s. That page is hilarious. And now I know why Spider-Man is a favorite of many. Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? Pat!!! You ARE here! ♡♡♡ |
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Post by Pat T on Dec 2, 2015 14:46:41 GMT -5
His PANTS. This is totally why I should have lived my prime in the 70s. That page is hilarious. And now I know why Spider-Man is a favorite of many. Since Spider-Man has been around for so long, he's had plenty of writers. Who do you feel wrote him best, and in which way do you like him written?<----Gosh, I've been sitting here thinking for a few, and there really is no other way to ask that question without it sounding like I'm interviewing you. Sorry. Or, wait. Is there a Spider-Man thread where I can ask folks their opinions/we can discuss this? |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 2, 2015 14:49:35 GMT -5
Actually, I think that in X-Men #165, the very fist issue after Cockrum left the book (Claremont didn't waste any time, did he?) Nightcrawler finally mentions that he is Catholic and discusses his faith with Wolverine. It wasn't until many years later that he actually becomes a priest. The whole priest thing has since been retconned out. |
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 2, 2015 15:30:35 GMT -5
Actually, I think that in X-Men #165, the very fist issue after Cockrum left the book (Claremont didn't waste any time, did he?) Nightcrawler finally mentions that he is Catholic and discusses his faith with Wolverine. It wasn't until many years later that he actually becomes a priest. The whole priest thing has since been retconned out. Yahoo!  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 2, 2015 18:35:28 GMT -5
Well it's just an opinion, but it often comes down to what you read growing up, though it's tough to beat Stan, as he set the tone for much of Spider-Man. After him, I would probably pick Roger Stern. His was a smart, funny, action-packed run. I also have a soft spot for the Gerry Conway era, as that's when I started reading Spider-Man. For me, it would be the Len Wein/Ross Andru era first and foremost, as that was when I got into Spidey. After that, Roger Stern, then Stan. Sorry, heresy, I know! (and to make matters worse, my favourite Spidey villain is Stegron the Dinosaur Man) Hell, my favorite Marvel character is Stegron the Dinosaur Man. |
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