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Post by tarkintino on May 17, 2018 9:14:45 GMT -5
More often than not, whenever a real superstar artist is doing covers for a series, the interiors are really subpar. There I said it. *coughcough* INVADERS *cough* Oh, The Invaders without a doubt. Early 70's Justice League of America (Nick Cardy covers, Dick Dillin interiors) and many Batman comics of the 60's (Infantino/Anderson covers, Moldoff interiors) had this problem.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 17, 2018 9:53:26 GMT -5
Hey tark, you're the only person that has agreed with my assessment that Dick Dillan drew some pretty bad comics. I did admire his work ethic, though.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 17, 2018 11:32:47 GMT -5
*coughcough* INVADERS *cough* Oh, The Invaders without a doubt. Early 70's Justice League of America (Nick Cardy covers, Dick Dillin interiors) and many Batman comics of the 60's (Infantino/Anderson covers, Moldoff interiors) had this problem. Lets add "The New" Defenders to that list. Kevin Knowlan, Frank Cirocco, Mike Mignola, Bill Seinkiewicz covers and then Don Perlin interior art? Talk about embellishing ....
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Post by tarkintino on May 17, 2018 13:11:07 GMT -5
Hey tark, you're the only person that has agreed with my assessment that Dick Dillan drew some pretty bad comics. I did admire his work ethic, though. Dillin's work was rough or sketchy--very underwhelming and not at all the kind of art a dynamic group comic of A/B-list characters deserved.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 17, 2018 13:30:24 GMT -5
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Post by virltommy on May 17, 2018 13:33:34 GMT -5
Hey everybody, new to the site here. Been browsing the site for a while now and really enjoy and discovering new (old?) comics and peoples' takes on certain comics. Just an opinion/question I wanted to throw out there: What the hell happened to Howard Chaykin's drawing after the mid-80s/90s? I'm a fairly big fan of his earlier work and single issues: think of Monark Starkiller, his stuff from Star Reach magazine, Gideon Faust, Cody Starbuck, Dominic Fortune, his 10 issues or so of 70s Star Wars, Nick Fury Agent of Shield one shot, The Scorpion, James For your eyes only adaptation and some of his early American Flagg work. I just love his cool, almost sketchy drawing style for all of these comics. But almost everything I've seen from him after this time period, I find insultingly weird, ugly and grotesque. His linework gets very weird, everyone he draws now has huge, pudgy faces and they all look alike. He draws some of the most unappealing women I've ever seen. I really don't understand it. I've seldom seen an comic artist whose later work differed so much from his early work, like a world of difference, in a negative way imo. Can anyone shed some more knowledge on this? thanks! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by sabongero on May 17, 2018 13:42:02 GMT -5
Hey everybody, new to the site here. Been browsing the site for a while now and really enjoy and discovering new (old?) comics and peoples' takes on certain comics. Just an opinion/question I wanted to throw out there: What the hell happened to Howard Chaykin's drawing after the mid-80s/90s? I'm a fairly big fan of his earlier work and single issues: think of Monark Starkiller, his stuff from Star Reach magazine, Gideon Faust, Cody Starbuck, Dominic Fortune, his 10 issues or so of 70s Star Wars, Nick Fury Agent of Shield one shot, The Scorpion, James For your eyes only adaptation and some of his early American Flagg work. I just love his cool, almost sketchy drawing style for all of these comics. But almost everything I've seen from him after this time period, I find insultingly weird, ugly and grotesque. His linework gets very weird, everyone he draws now has huge, pudgy faces and they all look alike. He draws some of the most unappealing women I've ever seen. I really don't understand it. I've seldom seen an comic artist whose later work differed so much from his early work, like a world of difference, in a negative way imo. Can anyone shed some more knowledge on this? thanks! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Welcome to the CCF Website. Perhaps you can introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself Thread juts click on this to bring you to the thread. I am not familiar with Howard Chaykin. But I'm sure that those who are familiar with him can answer your question.
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Post by rberman on May 17, 2018 14:11:21 GMT -5
Welcome to the CCF Website. Perhaps you can introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself Thread juts click on this to bring you to the thread. I am not familiar with Howard Chaykin. But I'm sure that those who are familiar with him can answer your question. Hey, an introduction thread! Never saw it. Guess it's a moot point now. Carrying on!
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Post by sabongero on May 17, 2018 15:23:35 GMT -5
Welcome to the CCF Website. Perhaps you can introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself Thread juts click on this to bring you to the thread. I am not familiar with Howard Chaykin. But I'm sure that those who are familiar with him can answer your question. Hey, an introduction thread! Never saw it. Guess it's a moot point now. Carrying on! You can still introduce yourself there. Better late than never.
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2018 16:04:52 GMT -5
Hey, an introduction thread! Never saw it. Guess it's a moot point now. Carrying on! Sorry, who are you? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by virltommy on May 17, 2018 16:15:35 GMT -5
Hey, an introduction thread! Never saw it. Guess it's a moot point now. Carrying on! Sorry, who are you? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Hey Confessor, Loved reading your lenghty reviews of the original marvel Star Wars series! Didn't always agree with everything you said, but very informative, nostalgic and fun to read. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 16:16:20 GMT -5
virltommy ... I only known him through his Nick Fury Agent and American Flagg and nothing more. I really don't know much about him and happy that you've joined us here in CCF Land ... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Confessor on May 17, 2018 16:20:47 GMT -5
Sorry, who are you? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Hey Confessor, Loved reading your lenghty reviews of the original marvel Star Wars series! Didn't always agree with everything you said, but very informative, nostalgic and fun to read. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Hey, thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed them. Feel free to comment on any of the issues I reviewed, if you want. That thread isn't dead, it's only sleeping. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by virltommy on May 17, 2018 16:25:46 GMT -5
virltommy ... I only known him through his Nick Fury Agent and American Flagg and nothing more. I really don't know much about him and happy that you've joined us here in CCF Land ... ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Thanks for the friendly welcome, Mecha! Some of the other Chaykin comics I mentioned are definitely worth checking out and very cheap to pick up. There's also a great, thorough artbook (The art of Howard Chaykin), although it's a shame the cover is filled his later questionable drawing style/figures... Bruce Campbell would be jealous of those Chaykin-chins.
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Post by brutalis on May 17, 2018 16:26:18 GMT -5
Hey tark, you're the only person that has agreed with my assessment that Dick Dillan drew some pretty bad comics. I did admire his work ethic, though. Dillin's work was rough or sketchy--very underwhelming and not at all the kind of art a dynamic group comic of A/B-list characters deserved. Would never call Dillin's art rough or sketchy myself. And while his art may not be considered "dynamic or exciting" like Neal Adam's or carry a singular style like Infantino or Kirby or Ditko or the Buscema bro's it was always good clean art that wasn't confusing which told the story. Dillin did what others were unwilling to do and draw a team book with multiple leads and many secondary characters, and he did it willingly every month! The likes of Dillin, Heck, Tuska, Delbo, Swan, Forte, Brown, were the real trusted work horses which carried comic books along versus the avant garde inconsistent newcomers. They were the true heroes with a strong work ethic and produced solid, entertaining monthly issues on a consistent and regular basis. I will take years of Dillin on Justice League over a Steranko or Adams doing 3-6 issues and moving on to other things. My own personal choice which I stand by!
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