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Post by rberman on Jan 24, 2020 9:22:06 GMT -5
Indeed, Gaiman and Moore were doing this very thing when they dragged Pogo, Cain, Abel, and the Three Witches into Sandman and Swamp Thing. Readers seemed to think it was great fun. It's just something that ought to be done well if it's being done at all.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2020 9:32:58 GMT -5
Because, yes, I'm that guy: Bats aren't rodents. Analysis of their genetic code has proven they're most closely related to primates. Cei-U! I summon the pedantry! That bats aren't rodents is clear, but (if I may play the biology nerd, since that's my day job!) it's actually those rodents who are most closely related to primates (in the Euarchontoglire clade). The classification of bats was a contentious point for a long time, but today they're placed among Laurasiatherians, a taxon that includes pretty much everything that isn't a primate, a rodent or a tree shrew. That we are more closely related to rats than to cats, dogs, horses or dolphins is a point that will never cease to stick in my craw.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 24, 2020 9:47:10 GMT -5
Because, yes, I'm that guy: Bats aren't rodents. Analysis of their genetic code has proven they're most closely related to primates. Cei-U! I summon the pedantry! That bats aren't rodents is clear, but (if I may play the biology nerd, since that's my day job!) it's actually those rodents who are most closely related to primates (in the Euarchontoglire clade). The classification of bats was a contentious point for a long time, but today they're placed among Laurasiatherians, a taxon that includes pretty much everything that isn't a primate, a rodent or a tree shrew. That we are more closely related to rats than to cats, dogs, horses or dolphins is a point that will never cease to stick in my craw. Interesting. My information--derived from an old Smithsonian Magazine article--is some twenty years old. I wasn't aware the classification process continued to be revised. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by impulse on Jan 24, 2020 9:56:36 GMT -5
Because, yes, I'm that guy: Bats aren't rodents. Analysis of their genetic code has proven they're most closely related to primates. Cei-U! I summon the pedantry! Pedantry in a comic book forum seems appropriate to me. Thank you!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 24, 2020 10:29:06 GMT -5
Because, yes, I'm that guy: Bats aren't rodents. Analysis of their genetic code has proven they're most closely related to primates. Cei-U! I summon the pedantry! That bats aren't rodents is clear, but (if I may play the biology nerd, since that's my day job!) it's actually those rodents who are most closely related to primates (in the Euarchontoglire clade). The classification of bats was a contentious point for a long time, but today they're placed among Laurasiatherians, a taxon that includes pretty much everything that isn't a primate, a rodent or a tree shrew. That we are more closely related to rats than to cats, dogs, horses or dolphins is a point that will never cease to stick in my craw. Are birds still dinosaurs?
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 24, 2020 11:02:08 GMT -5
I guess everyone's mileage varies, but crossovers can be fun. I'm not interested in every concept. But something like Scooby-Doo Team-Up was a lot of fun. I like the story where Bats and Robin teamed with the Scooby Gang against Man-Bat. Batman and Robin mentioned how criminals are a superstitious and cowardly lot. Shaggy replied, "So are we." I think some of it is about having fun. Having Escape From New York crossing over with Big Trouble in Little China was probably more to do with Kurt Russell being both characters than any sincere desire to tell a good story, but the result was fun for me. Life needs more fun. Crossovers are interesting when the players have that mix of contrast, yet similar at the same time (e.g. The Green Hornet and Kato guest starring on the Batman TV series in 1967), so there's almost a natural desire for them to meet and/or fight. Sticking Star Trek (especially the original series era) with POTA or the X-Men is schoolyard stuff that makes no sense at all, and its as bad as the nonsensical selection of guest stars on The New Scooby-Doo Movies cartoon (CBS, 1972-73) where they met animated versions of real life celebrities that had not even a passing connection/similarity to the main characters and thus there was no sense in their meeting. It did not help that many children did not even know who some of those celebrities were, or they were on projects kids did not necessarily have experience watching (how many 70s kids really watched Dick Van Dyke or listened to Jerry Reed, or Cass Elliot in what were her solo years?). Josie and the Pussycats? Of course, since the entire Scooby-Doo format /character models were ripped from Archie comics anyway, but Phyllis Diller? Come on. That's been the problem with comic crossovers like B&V meet Red Sonja/Vampirella. If you question it at first sight, then it strongly suggests it was not a good idea.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 24, 2020 11:18:40 GMT -5
Archie's been all in for horror recently - for the first time since the '70s, right?
(I really liked AfterLife With Archie!)
Also, what's POTA? I assume it's not Power of the Atom or Prevention of Terrorism Act.
Edit: Googling "POTA" plus "Some Kind of Nerd Crap" gives me the Dungeons and Dragons "Princes of the Apocalypse" Module.
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Post by MDG on Jan 24, 2020 11:22:24 GMT -5
... It did not help that many children did not even know who some of those celebrities were, or they were on projects kids did not necessarily have experience watching (how many 70s kids really watched Dick Van Dyke or listened to Jerry Reed, or Cass Elliot in what were her solo years?). Josie and the Pussycats? Of course, since the entire Scooby-Doo format /character models were ripped from Archie comics anyway, but Phyllis Diller? Come on. It was still the days of mass media--a lot of entertainment celebrities showed up all over TV and were generally familiar to parents and kids alike.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 24, 2020 11:25:08 GMT -5
Archie's been all in for horror recently - for the first time since the '70s, right? I believe this is the first time since the Red Circle days that they have done serious horror. They've had horror-themed issues of their usual kid-friendly books occasionally in between, particularly in the original Life with Archie series, but though some of those approached true horror at times, it wasn't really the same as Red Circle or the current Archie Horror books.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 24, 2020 11:27:17 GMT -5
Archie's been all in for horror recently - for the first time since the '70s, right? ( I really liked AfterLife With Archie!) Also, what's POTA? I assume it's not Power of the Atom or Prevention of Terrorism Act. Edit: Googling "POTA" plus "Some Kind of Nerd Crap" gives me the Dungeons and Dragons "Princes of the Apocalypse" Module. POTA = Planet of the Apes.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 24, 2020 11:43:08 GMT -5
Because, yes, I'm that guy: Bats aren't rodents. Analysis of their genetic code has proven they're most closely related to primates. Cei-U! I summon the pedantry! That bats aren't rodents is clear, but (if I may play the biology nerd, since that's my day job!) it's actually those rodents who are most closely related to primates (in the Euarchontoglire clade). The classification of bats was a contentious point for a long time, but today they're placed among Laurasiatherians, a taxon that includes pretty much everything that isn't a primate, a rodent or a tree shrew. That we are more closely related to rats than to cats, dogs, horses or dolphins is a point that will never cease to stick in my craw.Despite the overwhelming evidence.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 24, 2020 12:00:29 GMT -5
That bats aren't rodents is clear, but (if I may play the biology nerd, since that's my day job!) it's actually those rodents who are most closely related to primates (in the Euarchontoglire clade). The classification of bats was a contentious point for a long time, but today they're placed among Laurasiatherians, a taxon that includes pretty much everything that isn't a primate, a rodent or a tree shrew. That we are more closely related to rats than to cats, dogs, horses or dolphins is a point that will never cease to stick in my craw. Are birds still dinosaurs? Yes, although a few researchers see them as being closer to crocodiles. Hard to say without any DNA to analyze. ... and now I find I miss Steve Bissette's comic series Tyrant. Too bad it ended so abruptly!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 12:08:01 GMT -5
What about a crossover between the Fantastic Four and Mr. Men? Mister Fantastic could meet the Mr. Men! The Thing could battle Mr. Strong.
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Post by jason on Jan 24, 2020 13:05:31 GMT -5
How about an Indiana Jones/Captain America crossover set in the 40s? Both have fought Nazis before.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 24, 2020 13:16:52 GMT -5
Well, if Criterion ever puts out a deluxe edition of the Scooby Doo meets Cass Elliot episode I'm there. I think making things unofficial like those cool Amalgam one-shot titles were (er, they were, weren't they? I have a pdf of the four surrounding 'Vs.' issues but couldn't get past the first page or so) makes it so people who want something can have it and if there aren't enough of them it won't get repeated as much... I have to say, the only official Marvel DC crossover I've ever bought was the X-Men/Teen Titans one ages ago and I really didn't care for it, so I've never tried another one, not even Avengers/JLA or Batman/Hulk. So I guess I'm not really for them at all. The kind of thing I did respond to though were things like Hawkeye meeting and teaming up with the old western characters, or the modern Ghost Rider crossing paths with the old western M.E. Ghost Rider. On the other hand Count Dracula as part of the Marvel 'universe' has never worked for me while Rom and The Micronauts have, and Man-Thing (original characters). They could've hinted at Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Santa Claus, but then why aren't Tarzan or Dick Tracy also real there? I guess there was The Golem, but... it gets kind of messy where to draw the line. Godzilla yes... John Carter no?
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