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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:28:57 GMT -5
Avengers #181 can go for upwards of $200 because it's the some kind of first Scott Lang (possibly 1st in costume, I don;t know, I just saw how much it was going for a few weeks ago). 183 is an Absorbing Man story and the start of the Darkhold storlyine featuring Wanda and Pietro, but doesn't have any significant first appearances that I know of (other than being the 1st 40 cent issue of Avengers). It only seems tobe going for $10-15 on Lonestar so not sure why someone would ask $300+
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 24, 2017 20:33:04 GMT -5
Avengers #181 can go for upwards of #281 because it's the some kind of first Scott Lang (possibly 1st in costume, I don;t know, I just saw how much it was going for a few weeks ago). 183 is an Absorbing Man story and the start of the Darkhold storlyine featuring Wanda and Pietro, but doesn't have any significant first appearances that I know of (other than being the 1st 40 cent issue of Avengers). It only seems tobe going for $10-15 on Lonestar so not sure why someone would ask $300+ -M I googled it and it's the very first Scott Lang.
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Post by Pat T on Oct 24, 2017 22:11:47 GMT -5
Oh, man...I saw someone asking for $374 for a copy of Avengers #183. That's crazy. Nothing of significance with the issue. I know because I bought my beat up copy for $2. I don't care if that book is tip top, no flipping way that I'd ever spend that much on a comic book. I think the most that I've ever spent on a comic book was Avengers 150 in the late 80's. I think I paid $3.50 for it. Other than that, most comics I buy are $2 or less. I love the low grade, beat up books. Glad that I'm a frugal guy and not moronic enough to pay that much for a comic book. You're calling a bunch of people on this site morons. Some of us have enough money left every month to do whatever we want with it, and are passionate about our hobby. You're not frugal. You're cheap and scared to spend your money, but you're no wiser than anybody else here.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 24, 2017 23:07:16 GMT -5
If you're paying 374 dollars for Avengers 183 ... Well,
Nobody is, of course. It is either a typo or a bug in the sites pricing algorithm. The only possible chance that someone buys it is if they are drunk enough to hit the wrong button, like, five times in a row.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 25, 2017 4:36:06 GMT -5
Maybe if you're Bill gates you can spend that type of money on a single relatively meaningless comic, but the rest of us want to get value for our money. I'm seeing Avengers # 183 going from 3.99 up to about 16 dollars. 374 dollars is a bit much.
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Post by Confessor on Oct 25, 2017 4:56:53 GMT -5
Hey guys, badmouthing other members -- and that includes labelling (potentially) large sections of the CCF as "morons" or "moronic" -- is not allowed here and is clearly against the Rules of the Road. masterofquackfu and Reptisaurus! can you please edit your above posts at the earliest opportunity to remove the offending slurs. Thank you. Let's keep it civil, people.
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Post by hondobrode on Oct 25, 2017 5:34:15 GMT -5
It's a free market.
I wouldn't pay that much, and have been puzzled when I see astronomical prices like that, but someone is willing to sell for that price because someone is willing to pay that much, for whatever reason.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2017 14:24:14 GMT -5
There's a big difference between asking and getting. I see this a lot in the Amazon Marketplace particularly with comic strip volumes that go out of print. Somebody will list them at enormous prices, $1000 for a hardcover book. And they sit there. And nobody buys them. And if the book comes back into print then the prices come down and are reasonable until they go out of print again. The books aren't selling. But it's not costing the seller anything to have them listed. And who knows...maybe somebody comes along and pays that ridiculous price.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:18:53 GMT -5
Maybe if you're Bill gates you can spend that type of money on a single relatively meaningless comic, but the rest of us want to get value for our money. I'm seeing Avengers # 183 going from 3.99 up to about 16 dollars. 374 dollars is a bit much. I feel the same way. . . I actually watched "Comic Book Men" despite despising Kevin Smith, and not caring for ANY of the folks in the show when I've tried it out previously. . but DVRed it because it was Walking Dead themed. (don't worry, i fast forwarded thru a LOT). but was stunned to see some guy (obviously a plant for the show), pay $350 for "the Walking Dead" #19. (not slabbed, and he took it out of the mylar and flipped thru it on the counter top while holding the issue). yeah, it's 1st appearance of Michonne, but $350??? (and they marked it down from $399 for him). that's what makes the used bookstores think their boxes of "poor" condition Casper comics are worth $15 each. sheesh.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 25, 2017 17:38:14 GMT -5
As someone who routinely buys and sells online, I like the fact that you get deals on stuff (if you are patient) and can make some money off stuff like this. Would I ever pay $350 for Walking Dead #19? Nope. But I would gladly find a copy somewhere for less and try to get more for it.
I do understand that sometimes these prices can drive up other books for no reason at all, and sure that can be annoying. Do I really want a copy of ASM #161 to fill a run from #150-400 right now? Yes I do. Am I in a rush to Drop $15-20 for a copy? No. I will wait it out and get it when one becomes available. Maybe I just enjoy the patience of the hunt, while others just want cheap books whenever they feel. Or feel that all books should be cheap and affordable. I just don't think people should be labeled a fool for spending a chunk of money on something they want. A Walking Dead fan might think I am odd for dropping $130 on the ASM #121 because he/she has no connection or interest in Spider-Man. And after all, its a character that (for the most part) has remained dead for a long time. "But it's a classic" you might say. Okay, well to them Walking Dead #19 is a modern day classic and who knows....in 30 years when the show is gone, they will have a collectible from a great series that people will be dying to have because of how much it was enjoyed.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Oct 25, 2017 19:51:50 GMT -5
This particular "moron" would appreciate it very much if we could stop insulting the manner in which other fans, many of whom are your friendly, fellow posters here at the CCF, choose to enjoy the hobby.
I promise that my children have not gone without shoes, my creditors have not gone unpaid, and I don't have jars of my own urine stacked in the corner.
Many people value money and the powerful role it plays in our lives. Profligate and wasteful spending is rightly treated with disdain when it adversely affects the lives of people who could benefit from a more sensible application of the transformative properties of money.
That said, a stranger paying what you consider an irresponsible sum for a comic book in no way harms you. Thousands of strangers paying what you consider irresponsible sums for comic books in no way harms you.
If you are a comic book fan who is pleased that the popular culture is currently dominated by the properties that you adore, be sure and thank a "moron" whose relatively meager contributions toward elevating and venerating these worthy properties have helped place them at the forefront of the modern entertainment zeitgeist.
Money is nothing more than a tool, like a screwdriver or saw. All of us, together, have used that tool to craft a beautiful, comic book-saturated world that most of us believed could never exist. Let's not blow it all over a few bucks, okay?
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 25, 2017 19:59:43 GMT -5
I am more likely to pay more for an issue if I'm completing a series. I payed more for Eternal Warrior #50 ( the last issue) than I wanted to. The same for Gen 13 #76 and 77. But I'm taking about a few dollars more , not 300% more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 20:29:26 GMT -5
No matter what a guide says or completed sales on ebay indicate, a book is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and that can vary from person to person. All comic prices are generated by demand, supply is irrelevant except in comparison to the demand for a book, a comic where there is only 1 copy but nobody wants it, has no value, a book with a 500K copies has value if 600K people want it. There are books out there that have a going "value" I am not willing to pay, but if someone else is, more power to them, they should follow their bliss, not mine. There are things in this hobby I am willing to shell out some money for, and others things I am not despite how other collectors/readers/fans/etc. feel about it or how they value it. I make decisions based on factors irrelevant to anyone else but me (budget, desire, how many times I have seen it in the wild, what currently has me interested as opposed to stuff I am interested in but on my back burner, who the seller is, how soon I am going to go to a con, what time it is when I am at a con, how much of the con is unexplored if I am at a con, etc. etc. etc.) and all of them factor into how much I am willing to pay moreso than a price guide or a going rate on ebay or Amazon. And I know each person has their own set of factors to determine the books value to them and they have different circumstances of resources than I do as well, so I can't and won't make their decisions for them or judge their decisions. I often am surprised on which books command high prices and wonder why, but that's more curiosity and me trying to get a different perspective of the big picture of the comic industry and hobby as a whole than making a value judgment on who is paying those prices.
I've been purging a lot of stuff and a lot of it has been bought by a friend who is a con organizer and dealer, and we have had a lot of conversations about how the market is shifting, what types of things are losing value because the generation of fans interested in them is not as active or as large, so demand has dropped off (things like Big Little Books, pulps, later Golden Age books that aren't keys or capes, etc.) and these things that were once sure sellers now linger on the racks and tables of cons and listings on ebay or sell for fractions of the prices they used to command, while other stuff that used to be bargain bin fare is now in demand and commanding prices because younger fans have different priorities and interests than the generation of fans and hobbyists who came before them.
The market is not static, it changes with the people coming in and leaving the hobby/customer base, and things you think have no value, don't for you, but do for other people. Being frugal or a spendthrift in the hobby is a choice, but each person has to make the choice that's right for them and their individual circumstances. One choice is not better than another on principle, what matters is if its the right choice for the individual making it. And that's something nobody else knows or really is any one else's business.
Buy what you like at the prices you can and are willing to pay and don't worry about what other people are doing. If you are not sure why a book might be going for a certain price, ask, and if you want to express disbelief that's cool, but understand other folks have different perspectives of what the value may be and let it go at that. If I had different financial circumstances, I'd probably spend more on some stuff, but it is what it is and I don't begrudge those who can and do spend more even if I don't necessarily agree with the perceived value of some of the books.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Oct 25, 2017 20:47:19 GMT -5
I also like it when I see books selling for $20, $30, $40 but I manage to find it for $5. Makes me happy I found a deal
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Post by Pat T on Oct 25, 2017 23:49:17 GMT -5
I also like it when I see books selling for $20, $30, $40 but I manage to find it for $5. Makes me happy I found a deal Well, I do too. Most of the books on my want list now aren't the kind found in dollar bins, although that's probably where most of my collection came from. It's becoming difficult for me to find books to buy in those places (unless I want to start collecting more titles than I already do) because I have most of them now. I have to shop around for deals, and I am always able to find something I need at a good price. I try to get books that have nice eye appeal but are lower to mid grade, especially if they look like pressing will correct some of the flaws, so I'm always searching for something. It's a great satisfaction when I find the right deal, just like it is when completing a long-running title.
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