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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 10:55:16 GMT -5
I think Wonder Woman is so many different things to different people, that's why her comic is so all over the place in a way. Mythology, feminism, warrior, inspiration, icon, ambassador, maternal figure, powerful, objectified.
Even her origin changes based on the writer. Generally, franchise characters have stronger rogues galleries and supporting casts too
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 15, 2014 18:55:05 GMT -5
Watched the 2009 movie again tonight (between Ghostbusters and Streets of Fire) and it's just so amazingly good. Truly solid flick and the action is very very boss. The incredibly solid cast helps, too, and sweet character designs, but it makes me wish we'd see a comic that reflected its sensibilities and intensity, and that's probably not in the cards. The cartoon? Really? I made it about 15 minutes in and it was all Dead Alive style decapitations and not a kangaroo in sight. Did it get better? It never occurred to me that I might have been missing anything turning it off when I did. |
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Post by travishedgecoke on Jul 15, 2014 22:22:16 GMT -5
Watched the 2009 movie again tonight (between Ghostbusters and Streets of Fire) and it's just so amazingly good. Truly solid flick and the action is very very boss. The incredibly solid cast helps, too, and sweet character designs, but it makes me wish we'd see a comic that reflected its sensibilities and intensity, and that's probably not in the cards. The cartoon? Really? I made it about 15 minutes in and it was all Dead Alive style decapitations and not a kangaroo in sight. Did it get better? It never occurred to me that I might have been missing anything turning it off when I did. It's not a catalog of everything I love about Wonder Woman, and yeah, no kangaroo rodeos. But Wonder Woman and Steve on a date was awesome. Steve slowly realizing how condescending he can be, or presumptuous, and Wonder Woman realizing the same thing is great. My nieces loved the scene where she takes aside a little girl the boys at a park won't let play pirate, at gives her the lowdown on how to better use her play sword. The movie never tried to play gender essentialism, it never tried to turn on a little nationalism, and everyone in the cast really sold their characters for me, from Molina to Dawson to Russell. I know some fans were annoyed at the violence levels, or that it was very serious and Wonder Woman was pretty no nonsense and a little haughty to start out, but I watched it with kids and it wasn't too violent for them, it's never violent for no reason, and they were excited by Wonder Woman, which made me more excited for Wonder Woman. As opposed to TDK, which, when I watched it with my nieces and nephews, just bored them, aside from two or three Joker scenes. It's a very short dtv cartoon, and for that, they picked an approach, a tone, a characterization and ran with them, and for what they picked, I think they never wavered or chickened out. If it was a series, I'd like them to round it out, more classical elements, but for me, they hit the important notes for the tone they wanted. |
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Post by speakerdad on Jul 15, 2014 22:31:26 GMT -5
I totally get it Scott but I'm homer for most 70's comics  What can I say? It's was where I got the bug and I enjoy the nostalgia of it all. There's something about those $0.20 covers that I can't resist. ...can't...help....myself...must...fight.... |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 15, 2014 22:38:16 GMT -5
I totally get it Scott but I'm homer for most 70's comics What can I say? It's was where I got the bug and I enjoy the nostalgia of it all. There's something about those $0.20 covers that I can't resist. ...can't...help....myself...must...fight.... Can I say something about your icon? I love Kamandi about as much as probably anybody but that particular issue bugs me because the orcas are colored wrong! There should be a big white oval above the eyes! And Kirby drew it ... you can see the lines for it! ... but it got colored anyway!
Haven't they ever seen a killer whale!?!??!
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Post by speakerdad on Jul 15, 2014 22:51:59 GMT -5
I totally get it Scott but I'm homer for most 70's comics What can I say? It's was where I got the bug and I enjoy the nostalgia of it all. There's something about those $0.20 covers that I can't resist. ...can't...help....myself...must...fight.... Can I say something about your icon? I love Kamandi about as much as probably anybody but that particular issue bugs me because the orcas are colored wrong! There should be a big white oval above the eyes! And Kirby drew it ... you can see the lines for it! ... but it got colored anyway!
Haven't they ever seen a killer whale!?!??!
Nice catch, Hoosier! I guess I was too freaked out that it was talking (seemed much more weird than talking dogs, apes, tigers, etc...) and never noticed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 22:56:06 GMT -5
I totally get it Scott but I'm homer for most 70's comics What can I say? It's was where I got the bug and I enjoy the nostalgia of it all. There's something about those $0.20 covers that I can't resist. ...can't...help....myself...must...fight.... Can I say something about your icon? I love Kamandi about as much as probably anybody but that particular issue bugs me because the orcas are colored wrong! There should be a big white oval above the eyes! And Kirby drew it ... you can see the lines for it! ... but it got colored anyway!
Haven't they ever seen a killer whale!?!??!
In just a few years ever comic fan would have seen a killer whale because this back cover ad was ubiquitous for a while...  But back to Wonder Woman....  -M |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 15, 2014 23:15:13 GMT -5
BEST WONDER WOMAN PANEL EVER!!!
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 15, 2014 23:25:44 GMT -5
Can I say something about your icon? I love Kamandi about as much as probably anybody but that particular issue bugs me because the orcas are colored wrong! There should be a big white oval above the eyes! And Kirby drew it ... you can see the lines for it! ... but it got colored anyway!
Haven't they ever seen a killer whale!?!??!
Nice catch, Hoosier! I guess I was too freaked out that it was talking (seemed much more weird than talking dogs, apes, tigers, etc...) and never noticed. Aside from the coloring problem, it's a great issue! I was thinking of getting it out and reading it but the cat is sitting on that particular longbox. (Maybe I can trick her by shaking the cat food bag ...) |
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Post by berkley on Jul 16, 2014 1:33:46 GMT -5
One of the great things about the internet is that you can find out when the comics you remember reading as a child came out on the stands from sites like GCD (comics.org) or Mike's News-stand (check the various 30-, 40-, 50- years ago threads). This enables me to realise that I read two Wonder Woman comics in the summer of 1968, and that that seems to be the year I first started reading superhero comics in general.
I still remember specific images from those WW issues, and in that sense the character is as iconic to me as Superman or Batman or any other comics character, but apparently it never struck me quite in the same way as Doctor Strange or Thor or the FF or other Marvel series did, because while I became an immediate fan of those and other Marvel characters, I don't think I ever bought or read another issue of WW after that.
Mind you, that could be more of a DC vs Marvel thing than anything else, because I never became a regular buyer of any DC series until years later in the 70s.
All the same, perhaps because of some vague feeling from that early encounter with those comics (WW 176 &177, I see from GCD), I still feel some affection for the character and after discovering internet comics sites I often checked in on previews of the then-current stuff. Nothing I saw of all that or heard about the earlier stuff I missed ever tempted me to start reading, but I do plane to have a look at both the Gilbert Hernandez and the Grant Morrison versions coming up.
As far as the current series is concerned, I wasn't impressed, mainly because of the creators' treatment of the Kirby New Gods and of Greek mythology. I thought it was the most awful drivel - not in the sense of complete incompetence, but rather someone who knows what he's doing and is a good enough craftsman, but just isn't the right person to handle the kind of thing he's set out to tackle. I was also put off by Azzarello's all too familiar tv-style writing - but then I think that of almost anything I sample from Marvel or DC these days.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 16, 2014 1:41:35 GMT -5
I still remember specific images from those WW issues, and in that sense the character is as iconic to me as Superman or Batman or any other comics character, but apparently it never struck me quite in the same way as Doctor Strange or Thor or the FF or other Marvel series did, because while I became an immediate fan of those and other Marvel characters, I don't think I ever bought or read another issue of WW after that. If Wonder Woman #177 were my first issue, I never would have read anything again, much less a Wonder Woman comic book. So bad. But if you did like #176 and #177 as a kid one reason you didn't buy any more after that could be because with #178 they changed to the New Look era. The new version may not have appealed to you, or you might not have even realized it was the same character. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 16, 2014 1:57:28 GMT -5
I still remember specific images from those WW issues, and in that sense the character is as iconic to me as Superman or Batman or any other comics character, but apparently it never struck me quite in the same way as Doctor Strange or Thor or the FF or other Marvel series did, because while I became an immediate fan of those and other Marvel characters, I don't think I ever bought or read another issue of WW after that. If Wonder Woman #177 were my first issue, I never would have read anything again, much less a Wonder Woman comic book. So bad. But if you did like #176 and #177 as a kid one reason you didn't buy any more after that could be because with #178 they changed to the New Look era. The new version may not have appealed to you, or you might not have even realized it was the same character. Well, I was only 6 years old in the summer of 1968, so I didn't have any real concept of what was good or bad. But I do remember wanting to read more FF and more Doctor Strange and Thor, etc, but not WW. I did notice that change from the GCD gallery - the change to the Diana Rigg version, I mean. I don't remember the Avengers tv series as a kid, so it wouldn't have meant anything to me at the time. Like a lot of tv and movie things we were too young to see back then, I remember my mother telling us about it, though. I probably had to go to bed before it came on. |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 16, 2014 3:32:53 GMT -5
I thought this Wonder Woman short from Batman The Brave and the Bold was pretty fun.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 16, 2014 14:14:28 GMT -5
I thought this Wonder Woman short from Batman The Brave and the Bold was pretty fun. Somehow I haven't seen that episode. Man...Trevor was a putz in that scene. So spot-on characterization. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 16, 2014 14:31:50 GMT -5
The only thing that would make that better is Patrick Warburton as Steve Trevor.
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