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Dec 12, 2021 12:49:37 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 12:49:37 GMT -5
Well, I’d heard it was John Byrne writing it and Erik Larsen drawing it. Or maybe that was just a dream… No, information on this has leaked out. A lot of spoilers ahead on what Byrne supposedly has planned: -Scarlett goes mad, cuts her hair short, and becomes a sadistic agent of Cobra. -Duke goes on a mission to rescue her, but is captured and his mind is erased. He is later recovered by the Joes, but he becomes an emotionless husk compared to his prior self. He has also become albino. -Flint goes on a mission with other Joes to Cobra-La, but after a victory there decides to stay as he feels like he can "be himself" despite Lady Jaye waiting for him back home. The other Joes return home without him. -Lt. Falcon attempts to comfort Lady Jaye, and the two eventually fall in love and get married. -Flint comes home and finds the two are married and much drama ensues. Oh, and the Joes and Cobra also fight from time to time.
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Dec 12, 2021 13:00:15 GMT -5
Post by jason on Dec 12, 2021 13:00:15 GMT -5
Well, I’d heard it was John Byrne writing it and Erik Larsen drawing it. Or maybe that was just a dream… No, information on this has leaked out. A lot of spoilers ahead on what Byrne supposedly has planned: -Scarlett goes mad, cuts her hair short, and becomes a sadistic agent of Cobra. -Duke goes on a mission to rescue her, but is captured and his mind is erased. He is later recovered by the Joes, but he becomes an emotionless husk compared to his prior self. He has also become albino. -Flint goes on a mission with other Joes to Cobra-La, but after a victory there decides to stay as he feels like he can "be himself" despite Lady Jaye waiting for him back home. The other Joes return home without him. -Lt. Falcon attempts to comfort Lady Jaye, and the two eventually fall in love and get married. -Flint comes home and finds the two are married and much drama ensues. Oh, and the Joes and Cobra also fight from time to time. Is this a GI Joe comic or a soap opera?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 13:05:47 GMT -5
No, information on this has leaked out. A lot of spoilers ahead on what Byrne supposedly has planned: -Scarlett goes mad, cuts her hair short, and becomes a sadistic agent of Cobra. -Duke goes on a mission to rescue her, but is captured and his mind is erased. He is later recovered by the Joes, but he becomes an emotionless husk compared to his prior self. He has also become albino. -Flint goes on a mission with other Joes to Cobra-La, but after a victory there decides to stay as he feels like he can "be himself" despite Lady Jaye waiting for him back home. The other Joes return home without him. -Lt. Falcon attempts to comfort Lady Jaye, and the two eventually fall in love and get married. -Flint comes home and finds the two are married and much drama ensues. Oh, and the Joes and Cobra also fight from time to time. Is this a GI Joe comic or a soap opera? Then you probably don't want to hear the part where the Baroness leaves Destro for Tomax, but later it's revealed it was Xamot all along.
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Dec 12, 2021 13:17:48 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Dec 12, 2021 13:17:48 GMT -5
Sounding like a Charlton romance comic relaunch to me. I married a Baroness but my kisses tasted like cold steel to her. He commanded my love like a Cobra in the night. My love for the twin brothers was doomed from the start. My silent love for the scarlet woman left me scarred for life. My late night swamp date was just a masquerade hiding the many faces of my lover. He was a Raptor flying away with my heart. The storm of his shadow haunted my dreams like a ninja in the night. He was a tunnel rat after my money, not my love.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 12, 2021 14:32:34 GMT -5
Well, I’d heard it was John Byrne writing it and Erik Larsen drawing it. Or maybe that was just a dream… You need to watch that eating spoiled leftovers so late before bedtime! "...an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato."
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Dec 12, 2021 15:39:42 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 15:39:42 GMT -5
Well, I’d heard it was John Byrne writing it and Erik Larsen drawing it. Or maybe that was just a dream… No, information on this has leaked out. A lot of spoilers ahead on what Byrne supposedly has planned: -Scarlett goes mad, cuts her hair short, and becomes a sadistic agent of Cobra. -Duke goes on a mission to rescue her, but is captured and his mind is erased. He is later recovered by the Joes, but he becomes an emotionless husk compared to his prior self. He has also become albino. -Flint goes on a mission with other Joes to Cobra-La, but after a victory there decides to stay as he feels like he can "be himself" despite Lady Jaye waiting for him back home. The other Joes return home without him. -Lt. Falcon attempts to comfort Lady Jaye, and the two eventually fall in love and get married. -Flint comes home and finds the two are married and much drama ensues. Oh, and the Joes and Cobra also fight from time to time. Love it. Just promise me Erik Larsen isn’t drawing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 19:55:56 GMT -5
I had this UK annual as a kid (published in late 1988): I wish I still had it. There was a text story in it called “Havoc in the Outback!” Really absorbing, gripping stuff, always loved text stories in annuals. It reprinted “The Old Switcheroo” from G.I. Joe Special Missions #7, where a terrorist group broke into COBRA’s consulate. Plus, “Words of Honor” from G.I. Joe Special Missions #2, featuring the Joes working with an intelligence agency - I can’t recall which one - to track down a Nazi war criminal and prevent COBRA getting their hands on a deadly gas. I remember Clutch and Recondo in those stories. Didn’t really see them much in any G.I. Joe comic I read.
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Dec 12, 2021 20:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Dec 12, 2021 20:04:28 GMT -5
Special Missions was an amazing companion series for the Joe's. Much more "mature" storylines while focusing on lesser used or not as popular characters. I collected a few Action Force here when my LCS was able to order them. Had the 1st 10 or so issues but sadly dropped it when my financial priorities shifted (as they often do) at the time.
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Dec 12, 2021 20:06:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 20:06:56 GMT -5
I agree, it was an amazing companion series because of what you describe, the “mature” storylines.
I love it in “The Old Switcheroo”, where the Baroness contacts Serpentor to tell them about the terrorists who have taken over COBRA’s consulate - and gets a short, sharp, “I expect you to deal with it; if you can’t, I’ll replace you with someone who can. Serpentor out!”
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 12, 2021 20:23:42 GMT -5
I read the early issues, but, as it was nearing the time I would start ROTC, didn't care for the fantasy idea of the military, but, more directly, I didn't really like how the equipment looked, either in detail or proportions, having grown up reading the various DC and Charlton war comics (and Sgt Fury, at Marvel) and the relative accuracy of detail they had. However, when I was older and looked over some of it, I could detach myself from the reality and enjoy them more and even be bemused by the equipment and how it worked, vs the reality that I used to have to hunt down parts to try to fix. Now, I would love to write an issue where the firing control won't work, because of a circuit card and the guns can't be fired manually and the whole battle against Cobra comes down to the unsung JOE, Scrounger. He has to go out and wheel and deal or outright steal the parts to fix the stuff to beat Cobra. Then, in the end, he gets no credit, no medals, and has to find new carpeting for the CO, because his wife doesn't like it.
It might have a small audience, but, I'd read it!
I'd also do an issue from the POV of a marksman trying to teach Cobra troops to shoot straight and watch him slowly descend into madness.
Oh, and one of the Soviet counterpart (seen in issues 6 & 7); but told entirely in a Soviet POV, with the whole propaganda and such, called "Yo, Ivan Petrovich!"
Oh, and a story about the JOE mess hall sergeant, Chuckwagon, who dishes up stew with one hand and punches Cobra goons with the other.
Hell, I'm on a roll.....
The JOEs on payday Cobra Commander trying to raise funds for their next scheme Sgt Slaughter battling the Cobra Sheik Shipwreck meets Shore Leave, from the Venture Bros The Baroness and Scarlett unknowingly chatting at a hair salon An inspection tour of the JOE base GI JOE bootcamp/Cobra bootcamp USO JOE, where a show is put on to entertain the JOEs The Cobra doctor, Snakeoil, treating troopers who return from a 3-day pass. One of the JOEs on an exchange tour with their British counterpart, who look and sound suspiciously like Dad's Army, mixed with Monty Python (Cleese's hand-to-hand instructor, the McKamikaze Highlanders, Chapman's Colonel)
Get me Kirkland on the line; I need to pitch this....
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Dec 13, 2021 10:22:17 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 10:22:17 GMT -5
As I said in my first post in this topic, I think this franchise encouraged me to learn about real-life military stuff.
I remember reading that Flint was a warrant officer. As a kid, I doubt I knew what commissioned, non-commissioned and warrant officers were, but as an adult, I was encouraged to read up on them. I also read up on weaponry, navies, etc.
I suspect we can all name a franchise that made us do that. My interest in science might be in part due to watching Star Trek and the like.
I remember thinking Shipwreck looked a little under-dressed, like he should have more attire on, more protection, etc. But then Cody once showed me a pic, in another topic, of sailors, possibly WWII, who were dressed like Shipwreck.
I think my interest in reading about real-life military stuff may in part be down to G.I. Joe.
I’m still not sure what a warrant officer is, though. A senior NCO? A junior commissioned officer? Or something totally distinct? Must visit Quora in depth one day to answer that. But I know Flint is a warrant officer, and he seems very experienced, agile, talented and cool.
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Dec 13, 2021 12:29:47 GMT -5
Post by Dizzy D on Dec 13, 2021 12:29:47 GMT -5
I have had the exact same experience and I think I have looked up what a warrant officer is at least several times (basically every time Flint is mentioned who is still the only example of a warrant officer in fiction that I can actively recall), but every explanation immediately throws in so much jargon that I still don't really get what it is.
As far as I can tell it's a separate position between non-commissioned and commissioned and it usually is applied to people with specialized knowledge, whose primary job generally is not to command others or be commanded (though they can have some group that they command and do have to follow orders obviously). It does not help that the definition differs per country and in some countries it is an enlisted position and in others it is a commissioned officer and my country does not have warrant officers at all if I understood the term correctly. G.I. Joe definitely did not help with me understanding his role as his speciality was defined as "Warrant Officer" while every definition that I saw, makes it sound more like a designation and not a specific skill.
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Dec 13, 2021 23:43:15 GMT -5
Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2021 23:43:15 GMT -5
Generally speaking, a warrant officer is an NCO who is promoted to the warrant rank, because of their technical knowledge. The rank gives them extra pull, when it comes to their field of expertise. In the US Navy, you found them primarily in the engineering ratings, overseeing repair facilities, like on a tender or shore repair facility (or a drydock). In the US Army, helicopter pilots often start out at a warrant officer rank and might be promoted upwards. There are 5 warrant officer ranks, from Warrant Officer (WO1) to Chief Warrant Officer 5 (CWO5).
The rank is an officer rank, higher than a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy or Sergeant Major, in the US Army. In the officer ranks, it falls behind Ensign in the USN and 2nd Lt, in the USA, but only in terms of who would take command of a unit. More than likely, a 2nd Lt would defer to the warrant on technical matters.
As a midshipman, when I was on my Summer Cruise (one month active duty, each summer, between my Freshman and Senior years of college), I carried a rank that fell between Warrant Officer (WO1) and Chief Warrant Officer (WO2). In theory, I could have taken command, as the most senior person, if every other officer and chief warrant officer was killed off. In practice, the senior Surface Warfare-qualified chief petty officer would have assumed operational command; especially since I didn't know s@#$ from shinola, at sea.
The US Navy had a separate enlisted-to-officer program for people with exceptional leadership skills. It was called the Enlisted Commissioning Program and they would be promoted from petty officer or chief petty officer to either LtJG or LT. Generally speaking, it was rare to see those guys promoted above LCDR, based on how much time they usually had in service, already, in the enlisted ranks. I spent 6 months temporary duty on a destroyer tender and we had two "Mustangs," officers who came up through the ECP, and about 4 or 5 warrant officers, who had been promoted from CPO ranks, because of their technical abilities and they headed specific repair departments on the ship. One was in charge of our divers, who conducted underwater repairs. Another handled electronic-related repairs, while another dealt with machinery.
In the Army you find a lot of warrant officers, as I said, in the helicopter squadrons, and I believe you run across them in the armored divisions quite a bit.
Larry Hama served in the US Army, during the Vietnam War and tended to write JOE with that experience in mind. So, if he is calling someone a warrant officer, then they are a technical expert, and would spend a longer time with a unit than an officer would, as they would rotate to new assignments. JOE is supposed to be a sort of branch of Special Forces (really, Special Operations, and would fall under the Joint Special Operations Command), so you would run into warrants who would command their helos, their tank groups, special mission teams, engineers, signals, intelligence...anywhere that required technical expertise.
The officers are there to provide leadership, handling the administration, carrying out the orders of their superiors, at their level. For instance, a Platoon Commander handles the orders for his platoon, fills out their fitness reports (for promotion), makes sure they are up to date on their qualifications and represents their needs and welfare to the company. After his time as a Platoon commander, he would rotate to a new assignment, moving up to Company level, then Battalion and Division. In the US Navy, an officer starts out commanding a Division, a subset of a larger department. An ensign might be in charge of the Electrical Division, within the Engineering Department. He oversaw the Division's work, in association with a senior petty officer or CPO. He handled things like leave requests, fitness reports, qualifications and training and the like, while also working with the chief or leading petty officer to dole out the work assignments for the Division. The Division was part of the larger Engineering Department, which was headed by the Chief Engineer (known as CHENG, for short). Think Scotty, on Star Trek. Engineering had several divisions, each with a division officer, who held a rank between ensign and lieutenant, depending on their time in the service (ensign starting out, lieutenant by the time they are finishing their first tour, usually). The junior officer then goes to a shore command for their next tour, then would return to sea duty as a Department Head, at the rank of lieutenant, usually. Senior Department Head, like the Operations Officer (which handles things like navigation and electronic systems) or Weapons Officer (which handles the ships guns and missiles, as well as the Deck Division, which handles the deck fittings and such) might be lieutenant commanders or be promoted to that rank near the end of their tour, depending on the size of the ship (bigger the ship, the more senior the rank of the Department Head). They then go to shore duty and then back to sea, as an Executive Officer or Senior Department Head, on a larger vessel. Their ultimate goal is to command a ship. Smaller ships are usually commanded by a Commander, while thinks like cruisers and aircraft carriers are commanded by Captains. Admirals command Fleets. A senior Captain might command a squadron (I worked at a destroyer squadron staff, for most of my 4 years in the Navy, which was commanded by a Captain). Most officers who serve for a full 20 years or more retire at the Commander rank or Captain. There are only a few Admiral slots.
Hama rarely bothered with real Army life, but the stories I read had bits and pieces peppered in there. It's an action comic; so, you stick with the big stuff. Same with most traditional war comics, as they tended to focus on things at a squad or platoon level, just to keep the number of characters to a manageable level. In the war comics, you had a lot of veterans involved, so, aside from the gung-ho nonsense, the depiction of military life tended to be relatively accurate, allowing for dramatic license. Guys like Kirby, who were combat veterans, were very accurate. Sam Glanszman's USS Stevens stories are about realistic as it got, in terms of naval combat and life. Doug Murray's The Nam, for about the first year or two, was a pretty accurate depiction of an average Army tour of Vietnam. Don Lomax's Vietnam Journal was a better depiction, as it didn't have to deal with Comics Code restraints. Those comics tended to see a lot of NCOs as the main leadership and the older ones showed a lot of Tech Sergeants and Specialists, which were designations based on technical expertise. If you watch Band of Brothers, by the time they are moving into Germany, several of the guys are supporting Specialist and Tech Sergeant insignia, like the interpreters or the bazooka men.
GI JOE, in this era, started out as a rejected proposal from Larry Hama for a new SHIELD comic, with a more military bent to it. When Hasbro talked to Marvel about doing a tie-in comic (Marvel had already done Micronauts, Shogun Warriors and one or two other toy-based comics), they hadn't really fleshed out the toys, beyond different vehicles. Hama dusted off his SHIELD proposal and turned it into GI JOE, with HYDRA becoming COBRA and he created character names and dossiers for the figures, who became the characters in the comic.
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Dec 13, 2021 23:49:11 GMT -5
Post by codystarbuck on Dec 13, 2021 23:49:11 GMT -5
As I said in my first post in this topic, I think this franchise encouraged me to learn about real-life military stuff. I remember reading that Flint was a warrant officer. As a kid, I doubt I knew what commissioned, non-commissioned and warrant officers were, but as an adult, I was encouraged to read up on them. I also read up on weaponry, navies, etc. I suspect we can all name a franchise that made us do that. My interest in science might be in part due to watching Star Trek and the like. I remember thinking Shipwreck looked a little under-dressed, like he should have more attire on, more protection, etc. But then Cody once showed me a pic, in another topic, of sailors, possibly WWII, who were dressed like Shipwreck. I think my interest in reading about real-life military stuff may in part be down to G.I. Joe. I’m still not sure what a warrant officer is, though. A senior NCO? A junior commissioned officer? Or something totally distinct? Must visit Quora in depth one day to answer that. But I know Flint is a warrant officer, and he seems very experienced, agile, talented and cool. Yeah; but, that picture I showed you was during wartime and Shipwreck would not have gotten away with looking like that in the modern era. For one thing, Beards were outlawed, by the 80s, due to the necessities of Oxygen Breathing Apparatus, for firefighting, as well as gas masks, in a potential chemical threat. He also would have to wear a t-shirt, under his dungaree shirt. Needed a haircut, too! However, from a real world standpoint, a special operations team like GI JOE would operate under "modified grooming standards," allowing them bears, moustaches and non-military haircuts, so that they could operate under cover. The soldiers in Delta Force and DEVGRU (aka SEAL Team 6) operate with that latitude. If you see some of the pictures of those involved in things like the Bin Laden assassination (aside from the black bars over faces), you might spot a beard or two. If you have ever seen Al Pacino, in Serpico, it's pretty much the same between undercover officers and regular detectives or uniform officers.
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Dec 25, 2021 11:57:47 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2021 11:57:47 GMT -5
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