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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 1, 2018 17:14:33 GMT -5
He produced work for Charlton's westerns and hot rod comics, often teamed with Tony Tallarico. Tony Tallarico, the poor man's Vince Colletta. Or vice versa. Off the subject. I just thought of this comic. Did you mention it, cody? I'm not carping, just can't recall.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 1, 2018 17:23:42 GMT -5
He produced work for Charlton's westerns and hot rod comics, often teamed with Tony Tallarico. Tony Tallarico, the poor man's Vince Colletta. Or vice versa. Off the subject. I just thought of this comic. Did you mention it, cody? I'm not carping, just can't recall. Kind of got lost in the shuffle. It was Charlton's knock-off of Casper. I meant to cover that with the humor books; but, got sidetracked. That was one from Al Fago and lasted for quite a while, surprisingly. Stan Lee had his own knock-off, with Homer the Happy Ghost., though he had Dan DeCarlo aiding him. Probably the best of the Timmy material was from Jon D'Agostino, before he also went over to Archie. Kind of surprised Charlton didn't do Willy, the Woeful Wealthy Wee-One, or something equally silly.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 1, 2018 18:55:23 GMT -5
The lone exception was the color comic Charlton Bullseye, which lasted 10 issues. However, there was still material left over, material which would see the light of day. Bill Black, who contributed to CB #7 (a Nightshade story) made a deal with assistant editor Bill Pearson, to publish approximately 250 pages of unused material.. Pearson and Black had known each other from Wally Wood's Witzend and Pearson had been making calls to try to place the unused material at other companies, to help showcase the young talent who submitted it. You have one item missing in the truly awesome amount of research you've done. There's a short strip which I was sure appeared in Witzend and was drawn by Vosburgh, but I can't find it online so my memory must be faulty. It's clearly a solo story for Nightshade, and even features a cameo by an unnamed male agent meant to be Captain Atom. I understood the urge to bring back Garrett, but given that one of the main arcs in the original Ditko series involved the suspected return of Garrett, it all seemed unlikely to me. Although I did include some of the information on my Earth-4 timelime. Not a great comic but this remains my favorite costume for Nightshade. See, I think this wopuld have been a massive failure, but not because of the characters or creative teams, but because of the format. A weekly comic with each character getting two pages would have left no space for characterisation or in-depth storytelling. It would have wound up being boring and then tanked. I think they ought to have gone monthly with more pages, starting out with the more famous characters then slowly rotating them out and bringing in some of the others to test them out. I and others are quite pissed that they included the amateur-hour Beetle/Question crossover from the later Bullseye, but NOT the Nightshade strips. I think it depends on the execution. It's worked for generations in the UK and worked fairly well on Action Comics Weekly.. The stories were to be 2-4 pages, though they could have played with that. i really boils down to how you pace the story. Newspaper adventure comics did it for years, before the shrinking space reduced the ability to tell a story across the panels. However, a lot of talent had problems breaking their stories down to that kind of pacing. Pete Morisi was an old pro at stories with more restricted space and had a completed story turned in, as did Kieth Giffen. Paul Chadwick couldn't even produce a couple fo pages at a fast enough rate and was replaced by Denys Cowan. I think for it to work, it needed a real backing by DC marketing, as they would need to re-educate their readers to follow in weekly installments. Next, they have to give you a reason to come back when your favorite serial is finished. ACW did it by introducing a new story, while others were still ongoing; so, you always had something in the issue that was just getting under way or still continuing. The creators need to forget the structure of a single comic and break their stories down into the necessary installments and pace to fit that. It's similar to the difference between working an American pro wrestling match to a British one, with a round system. The American match tells one story across the length of the match. The British one tells a story with each round, and a bigger over-arcing story across the entire match. Panel breakdowns can also make it work. Look at Archie Goodwin and Walt Simonson's Manhunter; it was created in 6 page installments, yet Archie laid it out for Walt to use more or fewer panels, depending on how much action is needed and how much time must occur across the chapter. More panels meant time moved slower. fewer panels meant more explosive action. I do think a larger, monthly anthology might have been a better route, at that point; something more like the DC 100-pg or Dollar Comics.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 1, 2018 20:20:01 GMT -5
I don't know anything about Bill Molno either, but Google says he died in 1997.
Ernie Bache is a cousin of Dick Ayers ("Bache" is Dick's middle name), and Ernie was Dick's assistant in the 1950s. I've read that if a 50s story is signed "Dick Ayers", then Dick did the whole job, while those signed just "Ayers" were inked by Ernie Bache.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 1, 2018 22:11:53 GMT -5
I don't know anything about Bill Molno either, but Google says he died in 1997. Ernie Bache is a cousin of Dick Ayers ("Bache" is Dick's middle name), and Ernie was Dick's assistant in the 1950s. I've read that if a 50s story is signed "Dick Ayers", then Dick did the whole job, while those signed just "Ayers" were inked by Ernie Bache. I saw that he was Ayers' assistant; but, missed the family connection. I also left out the guys who got exposure in the Charlton Bullseye color comic, though they got mention in the piece of it. i mostly wanted to hit the guys who did a significant body of work at Charlton. Sure wish I knew what happened to that John Byrne guy, though; he showed a lot of promise. Poor Sergius O'Shaugnessy just seemed to disappear off the face of the Earth, after everybody left with Dick Giordano. He could have been the next Denny O'Neil!
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Post by ckoch on Feb 2, 2018 4:34:58 GMT -5
Captain Atom made an appearance in DC Comics Presents #90 with Superman & Firestorm dated February 1986 & came out the same month as Crisis on Infinite Earths #11. Paul Kupperburg wrote the issue & Denys Cowan did the pencils. I found that ironic as they were going to be the team doing Captain Atom for the cancelled Blockbuster Weekly.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 2, 2018 8:49:54 GMT -5
It may not be fair, but growing up, I remember comic collectors used to think of Charlton as the "low rent" publisher... That's definitely the way that me and my friends used to view Charlton back in the late '70s and early '80s. Even the paper they were printed on felt inferior to Marvel and DC.
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Post by MDG on Feb 2, 2018 9:22:54 GMT -5
It may not be fair, but growing up, I remember comic collectors used to think of Charlton as the "low rent" publisher... That's definitely the way that me and my friends used to view Charlton back in the late '70s and early '80s. Even the paper they were printed on felt inferior to Marvel and DC.
I think that's actually true.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 2, 2018 11:35:09 GMT -5
Oh, yeah; Charlton used cheap paper. The company had their own paper mill andused the thinnest, cheapest paper they could get. They did everything in-house; but, with an eye on the lowest cost. In one of the CBA interviews it talked about Santangelo underpaying everyone. He would buy a car with cash; but, offer far less, in cash, now. He apparently did it to everyone; plumbers, store clerks, etc.. Apparently, he was a cheap b@$tard. It ultimately killed his company as he was unwilling to spend the money to compete in a shrinking market and unwilling to spend the money to update his presses, which got so antiquated they lost their main business.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 12:16:58 GMT -5
You could get splinters reading Charlton Comics.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Feb 2, 2018 12:38:52 GMT -5
Tony Tallarico, the poor man's Vince Colletta. Or vice versa. You know, I don't actually hate Tony Tallarico. He gets called the worst comic artist in the world but I always considered his comics up to professional level, and he produced the occasional page which was quite good (especially when imitating someone like Steranko). I'd have loved to see him paired with a stylish inker.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 2, 2018 13:15:56 GMT -5
Wayne Howard was a fan, who had a poem published in Fantastic Four #22. he became an assistant to Wally Wood and debuted in DC's House of Mystery. He worked on a few stories for DC and Marvel, as well as on a couple for Warren. Charlton appeared to be his main body of work, where he became the first "creator" credited on a cover, for Midnight Tales. he later left comics and had little contact with the industry, turning down a request for an interview for the CBA articles on Charlton. He died of a heart attack in 2007. So, huh, I wrote Wayne Howard's obituary when I was a professional comics blogger. One of my friends from the CBR forums worked with Howard and told me that he died. I ended up being the first writer to break the news to the comics community at large. www.cbr.com/aw-man-wayne-howard-died/I think I'm still quoted on his wikipedia page!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Feb 4, 2018 3:50:22 GMT -5
(...) The end result was the new Charlton Bullseye comic book. (...) Was "out of town" for a bit, and using a device that made it kind of inconvenient to read and (especially) comment on this forum, so I'm playing catch-up This issue of Bullseye that didn't even warrant particular mention in your post caught my eye and tugged at the old nostalgia strings a bit. I recall that in the area I lived it seemed to be on the spinner racks for several months for some reason. I finally relented and bought it on some family outing one weekend when there was nothing else new on the rack in a mom & pop shop in a small town we were visiting. And I ended up liking it quite a bit - haven't read it since my early teens, but I recall that the story and art were both solid, and the Vanguards were pretty good characters - they were three space-faring heroines fighting against would-be galactic conquerors or something like that. I would have definitely read a series that had them as headliners.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 4, 2018 13:47:09 GMT -5
Tony Tallarico, the poor man's Vince Colletta. Or vice versa. You know, I don't actually hate Tony Tallarico. He gets called the worst comic artist in the world but I always considered his comics up to professional level, and he produced the occasional page which was quite good (especially when imitating someone like Steranko). I'd have loved to see him paired with a stylish inker. Oh, I don't hate him, of course. But his art doesn't move the needle much above "meh."
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Post by clawx on Feb 5, 2018 0:50:11 GMT -5
I mostly just lurk these forums but I had to post to say that this is an incredible thread and It's made me want to check out like so many comics.
Thanks for making me spend money I don't have!!!
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