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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 21:20:08 GMT -5
I guess I'm the only one that's interested. I have faith in Johns. He should be editor-in-chief or publisher IMO. I think being President & Chief Creative Officer is a good fit for him. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 17, 2017 7:07:26 GMT -5
Given that this has just happened as part of the lead-in to it, I'm optimistic...  |
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Post by String on May 17, 2017 19:19:47 GMT -5
No, the mistake would've been to do this a month or so after the launch of Rebirth. But the buildup of the mystery surrounding the possible involvement of Watchmen in Rebirth has been compelling and I'm interested in seeing how Johns handles this further.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2017 12:30:06 GMT -5
It almost makes one long for the artistic integrity of Before Watchmen, doesn't it? That's just mean. I laughed. But it's still mean. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 19, 2017 12:44:58 GMT -5
I read Before Watchmen, and wading through all that dreck was worth it for the Silk Spectre series, about half of The Minutemen, and one issue of The Comedian that was CLASSIC!
The article about Doomsday Clock makes me think of Final Crisis, which I thought was pretty bad.
I doubt that I'll be reading it off the stands. Maybe I'll get it from the library in a year or two.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 19, 2017 20:23:45 GMT -5
I didn't realize Jay Garrick didn't exist in Rebirth... I thought that did away with the Superman was the first business after New 52 went away.
Also, it's a shame Barry couldn't remember is name for 3 panels worth of time *groan*
I just hope they don't screw up the Super-books... I really couldn't care less about the cosmic excuse that let to the marketing decision to scrap the new 52 version of the universe.
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 20, 2017 11:28:37 GMT -5
I read Before Watchmen, and wading through all that dreck was worth it for the Silk Spectre series, about half of The Minutemen, and one issue of The Comedian that was CLASSIC! I avoided most of them ... glancing through they looked so dreaful ... although I do plan to get the Cooke collection if I ever see it one sale really cheap. I only wish he had chosen to tell those stories with different characters. Also, it's a shame Barry couldn't remember is name for 3 panels worth of time *groan* I didn't get that. Does he have Alzenheimer's now? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 20, 2017 11:46:15 GMT -5
I assume it's either part of the plot (like how the Titans didn't remember Wally until he was right in front of them for a time), or just poor diaglogue planning.
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Post by james on May 20, 2017 17:40:25 GMT -5
I guess I'm the only one that's interested. I have faith in Johns. He should be editor-in-chief or publisher IMO. I think being President & Chief Creative Officer is a good fit for him. I was thinking Exactly the same thing. So far Johns hasnt let me down. And while id rather have seen him and Fabok do a Legion of Superheroes book, and i do t think Watchmen should ever be touched or redone. I think it'll be pretty good |
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Post by tingramretro on May 22, 2017 4:27:50 GMT -5
I didn't realize Jay Garrick didn't exist in Rebirth... I thought that did away with the Superman was the first business after New 52 went away. Also, it's a shame Barry couldn't remember is name for 3 panels worth of time *groan* I just hope they don't screw up the Super-books... I really couldn't care less about the cosmic excuse that let to the marketing decision to scrap the new 52 version of the universe. The Rebirth one-shot established that in the altered timeline, nobody remembers the JSA. It was implied that Johnny Thunder, the only one still around and now regarded as a senile old man, sent them somewhere for their own protection. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 22, 2017 4:29:38 GMT -5
I read Before Watchmen, and wading through all that dreck was worth it for the Silk Spectre series, about half of The Minutemen, and one issue of The Comedian that was CLASSIC! I avoided most of them ... glancing through they looked so dreaful ... although I do plan to get the Cooke collection if I ever see it one sale really cheap. I only wish he had chosen to tell those stories with different characters. Also, it's a shame Barry couldn't remember is name for 3 panels worth of time *groan* I didn't get that. Does he have Alzenheimer's now? No. He doesn't. But his memories have been altered along with the timeline, whereas Jay's have not. That was kind of the point. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 22, 2017 4:31:03 GMT -5
I assume it's either part of the plot (like how the Titans didn't remember Wally until he was right in front of them for a time), or just poor diaglogue planning. Was I the only one who actually read Rebirth? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 22, 2017 10:05:29 GMT -5
I assume it's either part of the plot (like how the Titans didn't remember Wally until he was right in front of them for a time), or just poor diaglogue planning. Was I the only one who actually read Rebirth? Maybe... I give as little money as possible to events, since I find them generally to be bad storytelling and always disappointing. On occasion my curiosity get the best of me and I'll by the last issue of a thing to see what happened first hand (I did so for X-Men Vs. Inhumans and Forever Evil), but mostly reading spoiler-y news article on said event covers it for me. I don't really see what I said to make you respond in that way, though, since my comment had nothing to do with rebirth directly... that's why I said it might be part of the plot, since I don't really know what the plot is  . I have been reading Titans (though Titans Hunt lost me 1/2 way through), but I think my comment is correct from what happened in the book as I look atit. He had to spend time convincing him they remembered him... I assume Jay would have had to do the same thing, if that's what they are going for story-wise. |
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Post by tingramretro on May 22, 2017 11:38:04 GMT -5
Was I the only one who actually read Rebirth? Maybe... I give as little money as possible to events, since I find them generally to be bad storytelling and always disappointing. On occasion my curiosity get the best of me and I'll by the last issue of a thing to see what happened first hand (I did so for X-Men Vs. Inhumans and Forever Evil), but mostly reading spoiler-y news article on said event covers it for me. I don't really see what I said to make you respond in that way, though, since my comment had nothing to do with rebirth directly... that's why I said it might be part of the plot, since I don't really know what the plot is . I have been reading Titans (though Titans Hunt lost me 1/2 way through), but I think my comment is correct from what happened in the book as I look atit. He had to spend time convincing him they remembered him... I assume Jay would have had to do the same thing, if that's what they are going for story-wise. Yes, that is exactly what they were going for story-wise, and I reacted the way I did because I assumed it would have been obvious to anyone who had actually been keeping up with the story. I foolishly assumed that anyone interested enough to be discussing the developments would be following them overall, but apparently I was mistaken in that. If you were aware of why Wally wasn't initially remembered by the Titans, though, why would you assume that a scene between Barry and Jay playing out almost exactly the same way was simply due to "poor dialogue planning"? Wally was trapped in the Speed Force until he managed to physically connect with Barry, someone he had a strong emotional bond with, and even having returned to Earth, he was then forgotten by the Titans until, again, he made a connection with them. Jay attempted to make a similar connection with Barry in order to return, but was unable to. He failed to stabilize because Barry couldn't remember him. The inference was that the bond between Barry and Jay was not strong enough. Presumably, the only one who can successfully free the JSA is Johnny Thunder. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 22, 2017 12:41:17 GMT -5
I thought it was a very clunky way to illustrate the point, it was done alot better in the Titans, but I suppose that's due to the end result being different.
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. I have been reading Titans (though Titans Hunt lost me 1/2 way through), but I think my comment is correct from what happened in the book as I look atit. He had to spend time convincing him they remembered him... I assume Jay would have had to do the same thing, if that's what they are going for story-wise.