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Post by james on Jul 17, 2017 15:07:41 GMT -5
Anyone else on this forum get a real sense of joy, pride, whatever you want to call it,that they were introduced to the Marvel heroes in their truest form? In the comics? I dont mean to sound like the cranky old man. But i see all the hoopla etc. surrounding the MCU AND DCCU and just feel good that i didnt need CGI etc to love these characters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 16:10:51 GMT -5
F*** the MCU, I still prefer my collection of ASM and Daredevil comics from the 70's to anything we have seen on the big screen, although the DD Netflix show is damn good. I also cherish my various Omnibus volumes collecting other Marvel stuff from my childhood and think in a lot of cases the stories in those printed panels blow away all those repetitive scripts, CGI monsters and big screen explosions we get at the cinema. Nostalgia? Sure... and I am happy to be called a grumpy old git too!  |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 17, 2017 16:25:13 GMT -5
I definitely prefer reading Marvel comics of the Silver and Bronze Age (and even the Modern Age, for that matter) to watching the films of the MCU.* The comics are way superior, as far as I'm concerned and the characters work much better in the medium for which they were designed.
I've said it before in this forum and I'll say it again, but I really don't think that Hollywood makes superhero films for comic fans like me. I'm not an "action film" kind of guy at all -- I detest the genre -- and the MCU and DCCU are action films, pure and simple. There are exceptions, of course, such as the first Captain America movie, which I quite enjoyed, but I think it's telling that my favourite MCU film by far is Guardians of the Galaxy. Their more traditional superhero flicks just really don't do it for me.
As far as I'm concerned, fans of the MCU or DCCU who don't read comics just don't know what they're missing.
* - When I say the MCU and DCCU, I'm just talking about the recent films made under those banners, not earlier films starring characters from Marvel or DC. I really like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films, the first couple of Christopher Reeve Superman films, Watchmen etc.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 17, 2017 16:58:13 GMT -5
No.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 17, 2017 17:02:45 GMT -5
yes.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 17, 2017 17:13:11 GMT -5
I can watch and enjoy the movies for what the are but they are NOT MY MARVEL HEROES. Gimme my good old silver and bronze age Marvel/DC to read and read and read again and I shall remain happy. Never did I expect the success of comic book movies of late and I knew the comic book characters I cherished and so adore would never truly be translated for television, movies or cartoons. They were created for comic books and kids reading pleasure not for movies. Hollywood doesn't understand or get the comic book concept so they try to amp up the action and change what "they" consider as childish and in doing so they lose the charm of what makes comic books so special.
Current comic books for the most part have taken on the Hollywood aspect in story and art which is why there are so few current comics that I want to read. I don't bury my head in the sand and ignore current comics but the ones which draw my interest are fewer and far between and mostly from writer/artists with a unique vision doing their own thing. I can pick up damn near any classic comic book, no matter what company created them and enjoy myself during that time I am reading. Can't say that much of today's comic books have that ability. I am currently buried within the "classic" world of reprints and having more fun reading them than any new comic that is out there today.
All of my favorite creators and their work and heroes and villains are still alive and doing well within my boxes of age old delights and treasures...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 17:41:49 GMT -5
Anyone else on this forum get a real sense of joy, pride, whatever you want to call it,that they were introduced to the Marvel heroes in their truest form? In the comics? I dont mean to sound like the cranky old man. But i see all the hoopla etc. surrounding the MCU AND DCCU and just feel good that i didnt need CGI etc to love these characters. Hmm, let's see, I met the Marvel Heroes in the early 70s via Viewmaster reels, tv (cartoons & Electric Company), and toys (Megos) before I really got into comics and most of the kids at school had similar experiences, so I don't really see that as any different than people encountering the characters via TV and movies first today. I never saw comics as their truest form, I saw it as yet another way to experiences the stuff I liked. I came to appreciate and love the medium of comics as an art form, but not because it was the true form of any character, but because of what comics could do as a visual storytelling medium. -M |
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2017 20:05:49 GMT -5
It's definitely the comics for me. I enjoy the movies but they're very much a secondary thing, a kind of side-show that I don't really expect much from. The characters and the whole genre don't work that well played by live actors onscreen, for me: common superhero shenanigans for which I have no trouble suspending my disbelief while reading and seeing them on the comic book page often look silly to me on the tv or movie screen. It doesn't stop me from being entertained by the movies but it does mean I enjoy them in a different way from the comics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 8:34:25 GMT -5
I definitely prefer reading Marvel comics of the Silver and Bronze Age (and even the Modern Age, for that matter) to watching the films of the MCU. * The comics are way superior, as far as I'm concerned and the characters work much better in the medium for which they were designed. As far as I'm concerned, fans of the MCU or DCCU who don't read comics just don't know what they're missing. * - When I say the MCU and DCCU, I'm just talking about the recent films made under those banners, not earlier films starring characters from Marvel or DC. I really like the Sam Raimi Spider-Man films, the first couple of Christopher Reeve Superman films, Watchmen etc. For me, Starting in 1987 ... I was getting late into the Bronze Era of Comics and looking at both DC and Marvel Comics this ERA is by far my least favorite era of Comicdom. I read about a sampling of 1,000 comic books (plus or minus) and felt that this ERA is the worst and I did not enjoy most of the issues that I was sampling. I'm like you, I like the Silver Age better than the Bronze Age and I like the Golden Age better than the Silver Age because of it's humble beginnings and all that. Last, but not least ... "As far as I'm concerned, fans of the MCU or DCCU who don't read comics just don't know what they're missing." ... this statement that you written here hit me like a ton of bricks and I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. Thanks for bringing it up. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 18, 2017 8:48:55 GMT -5
I was born in 1977 and can remember reading comics as early as 1982, but I didn't start regularly following and collecting them until 1987. The thing is, I'm not sure what my very first introduction to Marvel was, but my hunch was that it wasn't a comic. If I had to place my bets, I'd say it was either the Incredible Hulk live action series or Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends.
If we're talking the proper Marvel Universe (the only REAL one exists in the comics) my first introduction in terms of being a comprehending reader was the Incredible Hulk comic during the crossroads saga in the mid-80's. These belonged to an older cousin and I moved on from there to collecting Hulk and Iron Man, getting my hands on all the Official Handbook issues that I could and around the same time reading The Dark Phoenix Saga and Iron Man: Demon in the Bottle, which were my first trade collections.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 18, 2017 10:34:23 GMT -5
I'm happy the way I was introduced to comics, of course. But I wouldn't say I have any pride in it. Anything that gets new people interested in these characters, and in the comics, is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. I'm happy to welcome new people into the world of comics no matter how they arrive here.
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Post by berkley on Jul 18, 2017 10:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah "pride" doesn't come into it and is an odd choice of word. Not sure how it could apply for anyone to a thing like this.
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Post by String on Jul 18, 2017 13:59:26 GMT -5
I'm happy the way I was introduced to comics, of course. But I wouldn't say I have any pride in it. Anything that gets new people interested in these characters, and in the comics, is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. I'm happy to welcome new people into the world of comics no matter how they arrive here. That's the rub though. Myself, I have yet to encounter the first person who began reading comics only after watching any (or all) of the MCU films. You all's experiences may vary but I haven't seen any signs that the hugely successful films have created any new comic fans/readers. It reminds me of an old Peter David column I read once in CBG. When as a writer on one of the monthly Spidey titles awhile ago, he tells of encountering a pair of boys in a park where he learns the younger one is a Spidey fan and that he was eagerly awaiting his next new adventure. When David tells the kid that Spidey's books come out every month, the kid looked at him perplexed. The kid meant that he was awaiting the next Spidey film, that's all. I enjoy the MCU films for what they are, a chance to see the heroes and characters that I've been reading about for years up on the big screen. I see them as a supplement to the actual MU though, nothing more. Which is why I detest Marvel's current trend of altering the MU to reflect the larger successes of the films. From the rise of the Inhumans to the new one-eyed black Nick Fury. Matt Murdock looks more like Charlie Cox these days and Tony Stark now speaks in the rapid fire pattering style of Downey Jr. The list (and the disgust) goes on and on. But what I find more disheartening is the crass commercialism on display today. I walk into a Walmart and see the Avengers plastered on everything, from towels to toothpaste. When I was a kid, adults knowing who Spider-Man, Batman, Superman were was no big deal, they were the more famous of the characters. But if I ran into an adult who knew who Iron Man or Thor was, I was impressed. Nowadays it seems like the secret code has been revealed, everyone knows who they are, even Star-Lord for heaven's sake. It seems like a simpler, purer time has passed, for better or worse. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 18, 2017 14:16:36 GMT -5
You all's experiences may vary but I haven't seen any signs that the hugely successful films have created any new comic fans/readers. Attendance at the conventions I've been going to has absolutely skyrocketed over the past 5-7 years. Not only are there five to ten times as many people coming to the shows I've been attending, the new people are younger, with a lot more girls and women than ever before. Do all of them read the comics? Certainly not. But do some of them read the comics? Yeah. Plus, at this point, the movies and merchandising are subsidizing the mainstream comic book industry. If not for those fans going to the movies and buying the t-shirts at Wal-Mart, our superhero books probably wouldn't be profitable enough to keep being published. So the more the merrier as far as I'm concerned! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 18, 2017 17:19:17 GMT -5
I've been reading Marvel Comics since before I could actually read and I love the MCU films, just like I can enjoy both the Burroughs Tarzan novels and the Johnny Weismuller movies. I don't why everything HAS to be a dichotomy: comics vs. movies, DC vs. Marvel, Star Trek vs. Star Wars. Can't we just enjoy what we enjoy, grant the same freedom to others, exchange our views with respect and an open mind, and refuse to play the childish game of taking sides?
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