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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 9, 2017 10:47:49 GMT -5
Ah, we all know Perez peaked with Astonishing Tales #25, with the one page illio of Deathlok and Byrne was at his best on Wheelie and the Chopper Bunch!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 9, 2017 10:53:48 GMT -5
Apparently Byrne's art was good on Iron Fist. Who knew? The horrible 2nd person narrative and Claremont's verbal diarrhea rendered it unreadable.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 9, 2017 12:08:03 GMT -5
Does no one else find Perez's artwork changed significantly in the 80s? Of course, his backgrounds steadily became more and more detailed (which I liked) but I think his figures became much more thin and articulated, a change I've always found aesthetically disagreeable. I was going to say something similar, but with regard to his work circa 2000 (Avengers with Busiek). I also don't think the then-new methods of digital coloring, or over-colouring/shading as it often turned out to be, did his work any favors. It was too much visual information. Fortunately colorists have learned to dial it back a few notches since then. |
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Post by String on Aug 9, 2017 12:25:35 GMT -5
In no order....
Byrne:
FF
X-Men
Alpha Flight
Perez:
New Teen Titans
Avengers with Busiek
Legion of Three Worlds
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 1:21:41 GMT -5
also, to be fair to him, he's been stubborn about inking himself since at least 15 years ago, and since 2000 or so, for his pencils, 'not the best idea'. meanwhile, Hunt, 1 of Byrne's best inkers, is a mindblowing hyper-realist oil painter now. check out his stuff on his fb page! you'll plotz!! FYI, Dave Hunt passed away back in March. Cei-U! I summon the sad news! I'm gut-wrenched to hear this. But I'm glad you mentioned it. Seems it was mentioned most on sites I no longer peruse. which includes FB. As a painter, his work superceded 'mere hyper-realist oil painting', and to my heart, his inks were beyond compare. It's hard when our heroes fall to the Big C, when we have lost others to the Big C, so we kinda avoid anything to do with the Big C. You're a good and witty man, Cei-U!. I hope you love Mr. Hunt's work as much as I do. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 1:22:32 GMT -5
Apparently Byrne's art was good on Iron Fist. Who knew? The horrible 2nd person narrative and Claremont's verbal diarrhea rendered it unreadable. Yes, but without his, we wouldn't have Gabby Rivera's. fair trade.  |
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Post by Cei-U! on Aug 10, 2017 7:21:19 GMT -5
FYI, Dave Hunt passed away back in March. Cei-U! I summon the sad news! I'm gut-wrenched to hear this. But I'm glad you mentioned it. Seems it was mentioned most on sites I no longer peruse. which includes FB. As a painter, his work superceded 'mere hyper-realist oil painting', and to my heart, his inks were beyond compare. It's hard when our heroes fall to the Big C, when we have lost others to the Big C, so we kinda avoid anything to do with the Big C. You're a good and witty man, Cei-U!. I hope you love Mr. Hunt's work as much as I do. Not to worry, I do, especially over Curt Swan or Jose Delbo. Cei-U! I summon the underrated talent! |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 10:58:51 GMT -5
it sickens me if doyen Hunt was underrated. in comics, or fine art oil painting.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 10, 2017 14:41:47 GMT -5
I posted some of his stuff over Byrne on the other thread! (I really should finish reading Iron Fist one of these days.)
DIFFERENT TOPIC:
I am am insane Marston purist so I don't actually LIKE Perez' Wonder Woman that much, but...
It was way better than anything from the beginning of the Silver Age to the Post-Crisis era*, and -more importantly - it signaled a change in how creators viewed the character.
Previously creators regarded being assigned to Wonder Woman as a chore. Someone on a podcast (I think it was Marty Pasko) talked about holding his nose while writing the book. Roy Thomas and Gene Colan didn't want the assignment, Robert Kanigher - who could be surprisingly feminist, check out MMl. Marie - obviously put as little time and effort into it as he could.
But then Perez came along with thought and enthusiasm and turned Wonder Woman into a plum assignment that people were vying to get and really excited about. Just having a creator as big as Perez approach Wondy with actual enthusiasm completely changed the character for the better.
* Barring the mod Wonder Woman, maybe, but that wasn't exactly Wonder Woman if you know what I mean.
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2017 22:55:30 GMT -5
I posted some of his stuff over Byrne on the other thread! (I really should finish reading Iron Fist one of these days.) DIFFERENT TOPIC: I am am insane Marston purist so I don't actually LIKE Perez' Wonder Woman that much, but... It was way better than anything from the beginning of the Silver Age to the Post-Crisis era*, and -more importantly - it signaled a change in how creators viewed the character. Previously creators regarded being assigned to Wonder Woman as a chore. Someone on a podcast (I think it was Marty Pasko) talked about holding his nose while writing the book. Roy Thomas and Gene Colan didn't want the assignment, Robert Kanigher - who could be surprisingly feminist, check out MMl. Marie - obviously put as little time and effort into it as he could. But then Perez came along with thought and enthusiasm and turned Wonder Woman into a plum assignment that people were vying to get and really excited about. Just having a creator as big as Perez approach Wondy with actual enthusiasm completely changed the character for the better. * Barring the mod Wonder Woman, maybe, but that wasn't exactly Wonder Woman if you know what I mean. I only wish it had been the George Perez of the mid-70s or of the late 90s and later: just when he was doing a long run on a series with a female lead, his female figures became aesthetically unpleasing to me. Actually his male figures too, to a lesser degree. |
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2017 22:59:19 GMT -5
Apparently Byrne's art was good on Iron Fist. Who knew? The horrible 2nd person narrative and Claremont's verbal diarrhea rendered it unreadable. It's been so long since I read them I don't even remember that. But with Claremont you can always skim the narration and just read the dialogue. Actually you can skim that too if you want. In contrast to Don McGregor, whose writing, no matter how excessive, I always feel compelled to read every word of. |
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