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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2017 8:39:30 GMT -5
Found another one...Gladiator. I do not like this character at all. I don't find the chest emblem particularly cool at all. Gladiator is the only direct Superman clone that I find interesting and actually like. I think a lot of this has to do with that awesome FF two-parter that John Byrne did in FF #249 and 250. The fact that he's really more Mon-El than Superman helps. I also love the fact that he looks a bit like OMAC. That said, I've never really cared for Hyperion. I always thought he had a lame design. To me, he looks like Ron Howard on steroids. The less said about Sentry (ugh) the better... I don't understand why Gladiator's powers changed from being a strong guy into being Superman. Colossus fought him to a standstill in X-men # 137 before losing but in FF # 249/250 , he punched the Thing through a building. And , to make it worse, his powers were turned into telekinesis by the stories end.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 28, 2017 8:56:55 GMT -5
Gladiator is the only direct Superman clone that I find interesting and actually like. I think a lot of this has to do with that awesome FF two-parter that John Byrne did in FF #249 and 250. The fact that he's really more Mon-El than Superman helps. I also love the fact that he looks a bit like OMAC. That said, I've never really cared for Hyperion. I always thought he had a lame design. To me, he looks like Ron Howard on steroids. The less said about Sentry (ugh) the better... I don't understand why Gladiator's powers changed from being a strong guy into being Superman. Colossus fought him to a standstill in X-men # 137 before losing but in FF # 249/250 , he punched the Thing through a building. And , to make it worse, his powers were turned into telekinesis by the stories end. That was Byrne taking his theory that most of Superman's powers are psychic, not physical, out for a test drive. Cei-U! I summon the pseudo-science!
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2017 9:12:32 GMT -5
Yep, I saw what he was doing but If you try to explain Superman's powers, you take the magic out of it.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2017 10:12:29 GMT -5
The heralds of Galactus. There's the Surfer...and than there's the rest. Firelord (?) Looked like a character from the legion of substitutes. The other guy was a generic Kirby-look cosmic hulk guy. The Surfer was so unique and what followed him really wasn't! Couldn't disagree more about Terrax. Love the character, the design and the power set. Firelord is a good character, I do like him, but there are just too many damned fire-based characters in comics (Human Torch I/II, Firestorm, Nova, Toro, etc, etc.). I do agree that the heralds jumped the shark when Morg debuted in the early 90's. As a herald Terrax wasn't that good. I had read the Hearld Ordeal in Silver Surfer #70-75 and Cosmic Powers #1-6, about former heralds of Galactus and always found him more interesting of a character on his own than as a herald. After reading these I wanted to find out more about the character (pre-internet days) and the owner of my LCS introduced me to his appearances in FF. They were good for battles like Terrax vs FF but, his role as Galactus just seemed like a jumbled mess. Like Byrne was writing it as he went with no planning. So I found him as a much more interesting read post-herald of Galactus.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2017 10:17:11 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree more about Terrax. Love the character, the design and the power set. Firelord is a good character, I do like him, but there are just too many damned fire-based characters in comics (Human Torch I/II, Firestorm, Nova, Toro, etc, etc.). I do agree that the heralds jumped the shark when Morg debuted in the early 90's. As a herald Terrax wasn't that good. I had read the Hearld Ordeal in Silver Surfer #70-75 and Cosmic Powers #1-6, about former heralds of Galactus and always found him more interesting of a character on his own than as a herald. After reading these I wanted to find out more about the character (pre-internet days) and the owner of my LCS introduced me to his appearances in FF. They were good for battles like Terrax vs FF but, his role as Galactus just seemed like a jumbled mess. Like Byrne was writing it as he went with no planning. So I found him as a much more interesting read post-herald of Galactus. I like that he was always resisting working for Galactus.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 28, 2017 10:59:24 GMT -5
Gladiator is the only direct Superman clone that I find interesting and actually like. I think a lot of this has to do with that awesome FF two-parter that John Byrne did in FF #249 and 250. The fact that he's really more Mon-El than Superman helps. I also love the fact that he looks a bit like OMAC. That said, I've never really cared for Hyperion. I always thought he had a lame design. To me, he looks like Ron Howard on steroids. The less said about Sentry (ugh) the better... I don't understand why Gladiator's powers changed from being a strong guy into being Superman. Colossus fought him to a standstill in X-men # 137 before losing but in FF # 249/250 , he punched the Thing through a building. And , to make it worse, his powers were turned into telekinesis by the stories end. I think that's just a difference in how Claremont and Byrne handled power levels. Claremont, after all, hilariously drove Byrne nuts in how he wrote the scene where Colossus is apparently straining to rip a tree stump out of the ground. Even though Byrne drew that issue, I'm assuming that Claremont wrote Colossus holding his own and Byrne pretty much had to go along with it. I must admit that Byrne's view of the character makes more sense to me, but I do agree that this was really a commentary on Superman. Superman isn't a "magic" character, he was always a sci-fi character at heart, and godlike power or not, the laws of physics make it impossible to lift a building without it crumbling under its own weight. If Superman CAN do that stuff, there has to be some other explanation in a modern context. Given some of Superman's more ridiculous feats (like pushing planets and sneezing out solar systems) he'd have to be some kind of reality warping cosmic being. The quasi- fairy tale era of DC's Silver Age, for better or for worse, had long since given in to quasi-realism by 1982.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 28, 2017 11:04:55 GMT -5
I don't understand why Gladiator's powers changed from being a strong guy into being Superman. Colossus fought him to a standstill in X-men # 137 before losing but in FF # 249/250 , he punched the Thing through a building. And , to make it worse, his powers were turned into telekinesis by the stories end. I think that's just a difference in how Claremont and Byrne handled power levels. Claremont, after all, hilariously drove Byrne nuts in how he wrote the scene where Colossus is apparently straining to rip a tree stump out of the ground. Even though Byrne drew that issue, I'm assuming that Claremont wrote Colossus holding his own and Byrne pretty much had to go along with it. I must admit that Byrne's view of the character makes more sense to me, but I do agree that this was really a commentary on Superman. Superman isn't a "magic" character, he was always a sci-fi character at heart, and godlike power or not, the laws of physics make it impossible to lift a building without it crumbling under its own weight. If Superman CAN do that stuff, there has to be some other explanation in a modern context. Given some of Superman's more ridiculous feats (like pushing planets and sneezing out solar systems) he'd have to be some kind of reality warping cosmic being. The quasi- fairy tale era of DC's Silver Age, for better or for worse, had long since given in to quasi-realism by 1982. That's true, alas. I liked how in the final days of Superboy (In Legion of super-heroes, IIRC) he said that he could do basically anything he really had to. That wasn't a very technical explanation, but it suited the character.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 28, 2017 11:07:38 GMT -5
As a herald Terrax wasn't that good. I had read the Hearld Ordeal in Silver Surfer #70-75 and Cosmic Powers #1-6, about former heralds of Galactus and always found him more interesting of a character on his own than as a herald. After reading these I wanted to find out more about the character (pre-internet days) and the owner of my LCS introduced me to his appearances in FF. They were good for battles like Terrax vs FF but, his role as Galactus just seemed like a jumbled mess. Like Byrne was writing it as he went with no planning. So I found him as a much more interesting read post-herald of Galactus. I like that he was always resisting working for Galactus. Which I guess makes sense, as he and Air-Walker were like the only two heralds pressed into service to Galactus. Even his "tantrum" or running away from Galactus and subjugating that planet's people to thinking he was a deity. It's was just a weird contrast that he was ruthless and power hungry, but his reactions to his servitude came off as child like. I dunno, that's just my feelings on it. He still wasn't even the worst herald, but he is easily my second favorite character as a former herald.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 28, 2017 11:24:18 GMT -5
I think that's just a difference in how Claremont and Byrne handled power levels. Claremont, after all, hilariously drove Byrne nuts in how he wrote the scene where Colossus is apparently straining to rip a tree stump out of the ground. Even though Byrne drew that issue, I'm assuming that Claremont wrote Colossus holding his own and Byrne pretty much had to go along with it. I must admit that Byrne's view of the character makes more sense to me, but I do agree that this was really a commentary on Superman. Superman isn't a "magic" character, he was always a sci-fi character at heart, and godlike power or not, the laws of physics make it impossible to lift a building without it crumbling under its own weight. If Superman CAN do that stuff, there has to be some other explanation in a modern context. Given some of Superman's more ridiculous feats (like pushing planets and sneezing out solar systems) he'd have to be some kind of reality warping cosmic being. The quasi- fairy tale era of DC's Silver Age, for better or for worse, had long since given in to quasi-realism by 1982. That's true, alas. I liked how in the final days of Superboy (In Legion of super-heroes, IIRC) he said that he could do basically anything he really had to. That wasn't a very technical explanation, but it suited the character. I agree that Silver Age Superman was the most fertile creative period, but it can be argued that Superman had been moved too far away from his Golden Age roots by the late 50's. Ultimately, Superman is such a huge concept that there is room for multiple valid interpretations. Some people prefer the SJW Superman of the Golden Age, others the godlike paragon of the Silver Age, while another group thinks Post-Crisis Superman (say 1986-1993) was a more natural progression from the Golden Age. I like them all for various reasons, but I think at this point my favorite might be the Superman of the late Pre-Crisis age (particularly any story drawn by Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez or Jim Starlin). I think DC had long since moved Superman away from the fairy tale stuff by this point. It's a similar situation to Batman; Post-Crisis stories and continuity get too much credit for "modernizing" DC's iconic characters.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2017 11:31:36 GMT -5
I hate sudden and unexplained changes in the way established characters think and act, changes that are imposed just to serve a plot. During the unfortunate AvX event, a few years back, the story naturally demanded that some reason be found for the X-Men and the Avengers come in conflict. Captain America, the paragon of fair-minded, freedom-loving and virtuous heroes, was on the occasion turned into a pig-headed fascist whose credo seemed to include rules like "Security trumps individual freedom", "innocent people can be pre-emptively detained", "might makes right" and "do what I say or else". He was really the bizarro Cap. I'm all for characters changing over time, in an organic and logical fashion. But simply ignoring who a character is just so they can serve a specific story? Blech!!! There was a big one for me when a writer, seemingly at random, decided Luke Cage should be a pro-registration, pro-government voice for Wolverine to lecture about bigotry and racism in a Civil War crossover issue. Look into the character a little bit, at least, and maybe collaborate with all the other writers who are going to have him decidedly anti. Also maybe look into normal human neck sizes, but that's on the artist. That giraffe neck is really something. Any thought that Cage would be pro-goverment, pro-registration just shows a complete and total misunderstanding of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 16:00:31 GMT -5
I just can't stand this character at all ... Sentry from MarvelIf I did a countdown of the 50 of the most hated ... He'll be Number 1.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 28, 2017 18:03:25 GMT -5
You must hate him with the power of a thousand suns.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 28, 2017 18:15:07 GMT -5
You must hate him with the power of a thousand suns. That would be the power of "one million exploding suns".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2017 21:26:37 GMT -5
You must hate him with the power of a thousand suns. That would be the power of "one million exploding suns". If you had this power you could destroy the entire Milky Way and beyond; and this irks me so much and that's why I hate him! ... and I hate his costume too ... looks dorky to me.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 28, 2017 21:40:04 GMT -5
You must hate him with the power of a thousand suns. That would be the power of "one million exploding suns". At least it's not One Million Exploding Sons.
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