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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2017 22:36:34 GMT -5
Here we go again, here's their 25 best comic stories of the last 25 years, again not ranked, but listed alphabetically... 1. All Star Superman 2. Annihilation & Annihilation Conquest 3. Asterior Polyp (David Mazzuchelli creator-owned work) 4. Batman by Grant Morrison 5. Batman: Court of Owls 6. Batman: The Long Halloween 7. Birds of Prey: Death of Oracle 8. Black Panther by Christopher Priest 9. DC The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke 10. Deadpool: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly 11. Hawkeye: My Life as a Weapon (by Fraction & Aja) 12. Harbinger (2012) (this one's for hondobrode obviously) 13. Hellboy in Hell 14. Kingdom Come 15. Planet Hulk 16. Planetary by Warren Ellis 17. Preacher: Until the End of the World 18. Sinestro Corps War 19. Star Wars: Darth Vader by Kieron Gillen & Sal Larroca 20. The Vision by Tom King 21. The Winter Soldier by Brubaker 22. Ultimate Spider-Man: The Death of Spider-Man 23. Usagi Yojimbo: Grasscutter (this one's for shaxper obviously) 24. X-Factor #87 25. Y: the Last Man Whys and Wherefores While my list would certainly be very different, there are things on there that would be on my list. And hey, Civil War isn't on there, so that's a plus. It's actually a fairly wide ranging list, hitting a lot of different genres and types of comics, but is still a little super-hero heavy, but that;s understandable given the parameters of the list. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 22, 2017 22:39:52 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^ like ^^^^^^^^
Nice to see at least one non-Big Two story there.
I'm still working on my Top 25 artists
I knew Usagi was good but Shax made a real believer out of me.
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2017 0:03:41 GMT -5
Hard for me to judge since, like the best writers list on the Modern Comics Board, it's so heavily geared towards the kind of thing I haven't read that much of - all that Marvel and DC stuff, for example. And even the independent books are ones I haven't been attracted to, like Y the Last Man.
The only two I've read are Preacher and Planetary, both of which I think deserve inclusion.
Without checking dates, I'd say Moore's From Hell (if it isn't too old), Promethea, and probably Top Ten and its spin-offs Smax and the 49ers should be on there. Morrison's Invisibles, The Filth, Seven Soldiers, and maybe a few other things. Ennis's The Boys. Ellis, not sure, so many of my favourites of his are incomplete.
With things like the Hernandez's Love and Rockets and Bagge's Hate I'd have to look back to see what would comprise an individual story. I think Poison River might just make it in side the 25 year mark, but that would only be one of several L&R yarns I'd include. I think I'd be able to find something from the first 10 or 20 Hates that might qualify as a distinct story. Clowes's Ghost World and Ice Haven, certainly - again, among other things. Julie Doucet's New York stories if they count in the aggregate. Seth's Clyde Fans.
For me, the Marvel and DC stuff that the list leans towards would have to count as a totally separate category since its appeal is so tied to nostalgia. I'm not sure anything of that sort would make it on my list just for the story itself, but then I haven't read enough to really say for sure.
Trying to think of what else I'd include is reminding me of how far behind I am in my reading!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 23, 2017 6:16:55 GMT -5
From Hell by Moore is a tricky one with lists like these. It was originally released in serialized format from 1989 to 1996, but it wasn't collected in a trade until 1999 (I assume this is when the majority first read it). I'd say that it certainly counts, given that you can't really set the start date for inclusion until the story is finished.
Yeah, this list is unapologetically mainstream, but I can't help but wonder just how seriously I should take a list that doesn't include anything by Alan Moore, Hernandez Bros., but does include a Deadpool story? Talk about diminishing standards. I love Marvel and DC, I'll always have a fondness for good superheore stories and Star Wars, but we all know that there were much better indie and creator owned stories created in the last 25 years than Grant Morrison's convoluted/wanky Batman run and Bendis' "ultimately" superfluous Ultimate Spider-Man series.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 23, 2017 10:23:08 GMT -5
I'll just go ahead and say that that list is pretty dire. Easily the worst one of these I've seen.
Now I haven't read everything on that list. But of what I've read only three of the listed would make any list I made. One might (Asterios Polyp) but I'd need to re-read it and really think about it. There are a couple (Winter Soldier and Y, The Last Man) I'd have to re-read and think about...and I'm not sure what they mean by Winter Soldier. How are they defining that?
A couple I would not dismiss because I know the creators are very good, I just haven't read them (Hellboy in Hell; Usagi Yojimbo).
But overall this is dismal. Court of Owls wasn't as good as a half dozen other iterations of exactly the same story I've read. I'll admit hat I haven't read Annihilation or Sinestro Corps War...but C'Mon!
I have a soft spot for Kingdom Come because it directly lead to CBR coming in to being. But it has aged very very poorly...in fact it had aged pretty badly within a couple years of publication.
This is dire.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 11:21:29 GMT -5
From their list, these are the ones that would get consideration for my top 25, but not sure all would make it...
8. Black Panther by Christopher Priest
9. DC The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke
11. Hawkeye: My Life as a Weapon (by Fraction & Aja)
13. Hellboy in Hell
16. Planetary by Warren Ellis
21. The Winter Soldier by Brubaker
23. Usagi Yojimbo: Grasscutter
I haven't read Mazzuchelli's creator-owned stuff, I suspect if I had it might get consideration too, but I just don't know. Same goes for Tom King's Vision. I hear all kinds of great buzz about it, but haven't checked it out myself.
Now there are some on the list, I read and quite enjoyed, but wouldn't get consideration for my top 25, these include...
2. Annihilation & Annihilation Conquest
14. Kingdom Come
15. Planet Hulk
19. Star Wars: Darth Vader by Kieron Gillen & Sal Larroca
22. Ultimate Spider-Man: The Death of Spider-Man
25. Y: the Last Man Whys and Wherefores
so a little more than half the list at least resonated with me, but again, the SyFy Wire staff bias is stories that resounded in overall pop culture or geek culture, so stuff that is too far from the mainstream is not going to be on their radar. Also stuff that caused waves or got negative reactions (some of Willingham's comments, Moore's surliness, etc.) in that segment of geek culture are going to negatively influence the young adults who are probably on the SyFy Wire staff making these choices. That's just the way it is with these kinds of lists. Pereception supercedes actual quality, and things that have a negative perception, especially things that were published towards the beginning of the 25 year cycle, when I suspect many on the staff were still in diapers, is not going to get consideration because they have probably mot experienced it.
Things like From Hell are influenced in pop culture by the terrible movie which probably prevented more people from reading the Moore original than drew them to it (same for League of Extraordinary Gentlemen). The other ABC stuff may be good or great comics, but it never hit the pop culture radar. This is not a list for comic fans, it's a list for pop culture fans who like comics. And there is a huge difference between those two things.
-M
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Post by String on Sept 23, 2017 18:07:07 GMT -5
I'm amazed over the continuing love for Synder's Nu52 Batman in these various lists. Is it really that good?
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Post by The Captain on Sept 23, 2017 19:14:05 GMT -5
While most of this list is utter garbage, I give them major kudos for including X-Factor #87, which may be my all-time favorite single-issue story ever.
Also agree with Planetary, and I'm close on Preacher.
However, they could have included the first 75 issues of Fables and left off Deadpool or Court of Owls, both of which are trash.
Oh, and how is there not a single Sandman story on this list?
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Post by berkley on Sept 23, 2017 22:04:19 GMT -5
Of the things I haven't read, which is everything except Preacher and Planetary, I think the only ones I'd like to try one of these days are Asterior Polyp and probably the Annihilation books.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 25, 2017 1:02:31 GMT -5
Of the 27 comics we've ever read, here are the 25 best!
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 25, 2017 1:34:01 GMT -5
I'm amazed over the continuing love for Synder's Nu52 Batman in these various lists. Is it really that good? The Synder/Capullo run is frustrating for me because I LOVE Capullo's artwork but found Synder's stories to be extremely overrated. The Court of Owls alone took me out the proceedings. The idea that Batman wouldn't be aware of a group like that, so intimately tied to Gotham City, is something that I just can't accept logically. The fact that Synder screwed up Mister Freezes origin, coupled with my least favorite interpretation of the Joker to date, makes this run very hard for me to like. I want to, but I simply lost interest the two times I made it into Zero Year. |
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Post by The Cheat on Sept 25, 2017 14:42:24 GMT -5
The Synder/Capullo run is frustrating for me because I LOVE Capullo's artwork but found Synder's stories to be extremely overrated. The Court of Owls alone took me out the proceedings. The idea that Batman wouldn't be aware of a group like that, so intimately tied to Gotham City, is something that I just can't accept logically. The fact that Synder screwed up Mister Freezes origin, coupled with my least favorite interpretation of the Joker to date, makes this run very hard for me to like. I want to, but I simply lost interest the two times I made it into Zero Year. Sums up my feeling towards the runs almost exactly. |
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Post by badwolf on Oct 5, 2017 10:55:07 GMT -5
I'd agree with Morrison's Batman and All-Star Superman.
Y was very good but I am not sure which arc they refer to--the final one?
I'd add the "Kang War" from Kurt Busiek's Avengers.
I've loved Snyder's Batman work pre-new52, but haven't read anything since then.
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