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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 5, 2017 8:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 5, 2017 10:03:26 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 5, 2017 10:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Nov 5, 2017 11:35:28 GMT -5
One of the worst things about Spacey’s handling of this scandle for me is that, in coming out as gay at the same time as he’s being accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy, is that he’s kind of linking homosexuality with pedophilia, which are, of course, not related in any way. That’s a very wrong-headed thing to do and actually quite dangerous.
Plus, of course, using the fact that he’s gay as a diversionary tactic as the aligations surfaced is utterly odious. I’m pleased to see that no one is fooled by that cynical ploy, which is what I believe it was. It goes without saying that, if the aligations against Spacey are true, which, given the number now surfacing, they probably are, I hope he gets fed to the wolves. Along with Harvey Weinstein.
On the subject of Weinstein, something that blows my mind is that anyone is at all surprised that this kind of thing happens in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood was built on sexual exploitation! The term “casting couch” has been used as part of the common vernacular to describe men in positions of power exploiting young women for sex for decades. The fact that the media and Hollywood at large are acting like they’re totally shocked by the existience of a casting couch mentality is total bulls**t. We’ve all known it’s gone on and has being going on for decades.
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Post by lordyam on Nov 5, 2017 11:55:54 GMT -5
That's the thing; people have never really liked owning up to the uglier side of society. It's why get out was so good; it points out that racism is still alive and well and doing damage. People don't want to think about it.
Or the West of Memphis and Central Park 5 Docs.....they point out that society allows such tragedies to happen (in the West of Memphis Doc the lead investigator who bullied the retarded kid into going along with a bullshit confession is every redneck stereotype imaginable; the only reason he was able to get away with it was because enough people in the town either wanted his methods or didn't care. It was only when the documentaries highlighted just how corrupt his methods were that people finally stood up and said "this is wrong.")
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 5, 2017 15:01:00 GMT -5
One of the worst things about Spacey’s handling of this scandle for me is that, in coming out as gay at the same time as he’s being accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy, is that he’s kind of linking homosexuality with pedophilia, which are, of course, not related in any way. That’s a very wrong-headed thing to do and actually quite dangerous. Plus, of course, using the fact that he’s gay as a diversionary tactic as the aligations surfaced is utterly odious. I’m pleased to see that no one is fooled by that cynical ploy, which is what I believe it was. It goes without saying that, if the aligations against Spacey are true, which, given the number now surfacing, they probably are, I hope he gets fed to the wolves. Along with Harvey Weinstein. On the subject of Weinstein, something that blows my mind is that anyone is at all surprised that this kind of thing happens in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood was built on sexual exploitation! The term “casting couch” has been used as part of the common vernacular to describe men in positions of power exploiting young women for sex for decades. The fact that the media and Hollywood at large are acting like they’re totally shocked by the existience of a casting couch mentality is total bulls**t. We’ve all known it’s gone on and has being going on for decades. This x1000. I was always under the impression that everyone knew this kind of stuff went on in Hollywood. Even Seth McFarlane made that joke about Weinstein when those ladies were nominated for Oscars years ago. I assumed that everyone knew about it, but nobody chose to speak up about it or do anything about it, so on some level they were OK with it or didn't care. Mind you, I'm not talking about the victims themselves, but rather the rest of Hollywood who turned a blind eye to what they knew was going on. For them to act with such moral indignation only when things have been blown wide open reeks of hypocrisy. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 5, 2017 15:17:42 GMT -5
One of the worst things about Spacey’s handling of this scandle for me is that, in coming out as gay at the same time as he’s being accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy, is that he’s kind of linking homosexuality with pedophilia, which are, of course, not related in any way. That’s a very wrong-headed thing to do and actually quite dangerous. Plus, of course, using the fact that he’s gay as a diversionary tactic as the aligations surfaced is utterly odious. I’m pleased to see that no one is fooled by that cynical ploy, which is what I believe it was. It goes without saying that, if the aligations against Spacey are true, which, given the number now surfacing, they probably are, I hope he gets fed to the wolves. Along with Harvey Weinstein. On the subject of Weinstein, something that blows my mind is that anyone is at all surprised that this kind of thing happens in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood was built on sexual exploitation! The term “casting couch” has been used as part of the common vernacular to describe men in positions of power exploiting young women for sex for decades. The fact that the media and Hollywood at large are acting like they’re totally shocked by the existience of a casting couch mentality is total bulls**t. We’ve all known it’s gone on and has being going on for decades. This x1000. I was always under the impression that everyone knew this kind of stuff went on in Hollywood. Even Seth McFarlane made that joke about Weinstein when those ladies were nominated for Oscars years ago. I assumed that everyone knew about it, but nobody chose to speak up about it or do anything about it, so on some level they were OK with it or didn't care. Mind you, I'm not talking about the victims themselves, but rather the rest of Hollywood who turned a blind eye to what they knew was going on. For them to act with such moral indignation only when things have been blown wide open reeks of hypocrisy. At the risk of being insensitive, some of the " victims" also went in thinking they could get their big break by seeing him under this cloud of suspicion. Hollywood can be a dirty business. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 5, 2017 17:27:41 GMT -5
One of the worst things about Spacey’s handling of this scandle for me is that, in coming out as gay at the same time as he’s being accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy, is that he’s kind of linking homosexuality with pedophilia, which are, of course, not related in any way. That’s a very wrong-headed thing to do and actually quite dangerous. Plus, of course, using the fact that he’s gay as a diversionary tactic as the aligations surfaced is utterly odious. I’m pleased to see that no one is fooled by that cynical ploy, which is what I believe it was. It goes without saying that, if the aligations against Spacey are true, which, given the number now surfacing, they probably are, I hope he gets fed to the wolves. Along with Harvey Weinstein. On the subject of Weinstein, something that blows my mind is that anyone is at all surprised that this kind of thing happens in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood was built on sexual exploitation! The term “casting couch” has been used as part of the common vernacular to describe men in positions of power exploiting young women for sex for decades. The fact that the media and Hollywood at large are acting like they’re totally shocked by the existience of a casting couch mentality is total bulls**t. We’ve all known it’s gone on and has being going on for decades. This x1000. I was always under the impression that everyone knew this kind of stuff went on in Hollywood. Even Seth McFarlane made that joke about Weinstein when those ladies were nominated for Oscars years ago. I assumed that everyone knew about it, but nobody chose to speak up about it or do anything about it, so on some level they were OK with it or didn't care. Mind you, I'm not talking about the victims themselves, but rather the rest of Hollywood who turned a blind eye to what they knew was going on. For them to act with such moral indignation only when things have been blown wide open reeks of hypocrisy.Agreed wholeheartedly! Studios who suddenly decide that Spacey is persona non grata after having tolerated his behaviour for years are hypocritical opportunists, as are actors who tear their shirt in outrage today despite having known for years that Weinstein was an abusive pig. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 5, 2017 21:38:47 GMT -5
One of the worst things about Spacey’s handling of this scandle for me is that, in coming out as gay at the same time as he’s being accused of sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy, is that he’s kind of linking homosexuality with pedophilia, which are, of course, not related in any way. That’s a very wrong-headed thing to do and actually quite dangerous. Plus, of course, using the fact that he’s gay as a diversionary tactic as the aligations surfaced is utterly odious. I’m pleased to see that no one is fooled by that cynical ploy, which is what I believe it was. It goes without saying that, if the aligations against Spacey are true, which, given the number now surfacing, they probably are, I hope he gets fed to the wolves. Along with Harvey Weinstein. On the subject of Weinstein, something that blows my mind is that anyone is at all surprised that this kind of thing happens in Hollywood. I mean, Hollywood was built on sexual exploitation! The term “casting couch” has been used as part of the common vernacular to describe men in positions of power exploiting young women for sex for decades. The fact that the media and Hollywood at large are acting like they’re totally shocked by the existience of a casting couch mentality is total bulls**t. We’ve all known it’s gone on and has being going on for decades. Spacey has been called out on that by several gay activists and writers, including Dan Savage, of the Savage Love column and several books. They all said he doesn't get to play the gay man coming out and life is difficult being gay card, since it had damn all to do with assaulting a 14 year-old child. Spacey is now under investigation over recent allegations in the UK. The Dustin Hoffman allegation is the only one I've seen so far that I think is an extremely gray area, largely due to a lack of detail and context. The NPR article I saw about it said he basically propositioned a female reporter, and when she rebuffed him said, "Aw, come on." It said she repeatedly said no, which should have been the end of it; but, it did not indicate he held any quid pro quo over her, went beyond continuing to ask her, or did anything remotely like Weinstein or Brett Ratner (who supposedly exposed himself and masturbated in front of at least one actress, if not more). The piece really need more context and detail to paint a clearer picture of whether he just propositioned her and tried to talk her into it or really pressured her. The situation was an interview, which, with celebrities, can create an odd atmosphere, where the journalist is trying to charm the interview subject into giving them juicy material and the subject is trying to charm the interviewer to get a positive piece that promotes them and their project. It's like a kind of flirtation, in many cases, which could easily lead to mixed signals and misunderstanding. The most damning part was that the journalist "repeatedly said no to his advances," which in any situation, in my book, says you let it drop. Realistically, the proposition and question of whether the journalist ad ever made love to a man over 40 is certainly inappropriate, unless the line of questioning is within that subject, such as it being related to the plot of the film. It is a sad truth that this kind of behavior dates back to the birth of the film industry. A large percentage of the performers are drawn to the adulation and fan worship and more often than not, come into that world already with psychological issues, which get worse in that environment. Then, there are those who recognize that and exploit it, which describes both the studios and studio executives, who are in the business of exploiting talent to earn money. You'd be hard pressed to find a more unhealthy environment, apart from sex workers and politicians. |
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2017 16:24:19 GMT -5
Now 5 women accusing Louis CK
And supposedly Charlie Sheen sodomized Corey Haim 30 years ago when he was 14.
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Post by berkley on Nov 9, 2017 23:25:29 GMT -5
I think the other lesson we should remember to draw from all this is that it isn't just Hollywood: it's likely to happen and probably does happen any time or place there's a power disparity of that kind. (edit: I mean on a statistical basis, dealing with large numbers of people; not that every single individual case will result in this kind of abuse). The scary thing to me is that this predator/prey attitude seems to be a part of human sexuality in general, and that the exaggerated power hierarchies of Hollywood just bring it to the fore - and even then, it's taken all these years before it's really exploded.
I'm lucky I'm so old that none of my personal heroes, insofar as I have any, are likely to come up in this wave of revelations and accusations.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 10, 2017 4:33:58 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen the way Hollywood is trying to expunge Spaceys name from the record books done to any other actor. I hear that they have a movie that is completed and ready for release , being reshot with another actor ( Christopher Plummer). There's a lot of very old events being dragged out against people all of a sudden.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 10, 2017 5:53:24 GMT -5
I read that Mariah Carey got gastric bypass after she was savaged on the net for pix like this  She's only 47. In her business , being overweight becomes an issue. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 10, 2017 10:20:21 GMT -5
I think Mariah Carey is sexy as all hell at that weight ^^ Seriously, I think she's much, much sexier now than she ever was when she was younger and thinner. No way is she what I would call fat; she has womanly curves and that's A-OK by me, brother! To me, Carey is a woman who has gotten hotter and hotter as she has aged. 40-something Mariah is much sexier than 20-something Mariah, in the same way that 40-something Brigitte Bardot was sexier than 20-something Bardot (IMHO, natch). Pity her music's so s**t!  On a wider point, I don't really understand why Hollywood, the fashion world and the mainstream media has such a problem with women who have curves, and then, by proxy, why society at large seems to frown upon this body type. For starters, someone with Mariah's body type is a pretty positive body image role model for females, much more so than some unobtainable, stick thin super model, so we should be encouraging that in our mainstream media. And let's face it, Carey still looks fairly unattainably good, in her own way -- I imagine lots of 47-year-old women would like to look as good as her. Plus, as a sweeping generalisation, heterosexual men like curves. Heterosexual men like big boobs! Heterosexual men like big asses! We're pretty much biologically hardwired to like those things because, from a biological stand point, those characteristics represent a female form that has minimum danger associated with childbirth and can nourish our offspring adequately with high lactation potential. So, just who are the people in the media who are frowning upon this type of body shape and why?!! It baffles me. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 10, 2017 12:32:08 GMT -5
This x1000. I was always under the impression that everyone knew this kind of stuff went on in Hollywood. Even Seth McFarlane made that joke about Weinstein when those ladies were nominated for Oscars years ago. I assumed that everyone knew about it, but nobody chose to speak up about it or do anything about it, so on some level they were OK with it or didn't care. Mind you, I'm not talking about the victims themselves, but rather the rest of Hollywood who turned a blind eye to what they knew was going on. For them to act with such moral indignation only when things have been blown wide open reeks of hypocrisy.Agreed wholeheartedly! Studios who suddenly decide that Spacey is persona non grata after having tolerated his behaviour for years are hypocritical opportunists, as are actors who tear their shirt in outrage today despite having known for years that Weinstein was an abusive pig. And people wonder why I pay no mind to actors, singers, writers, artists, etc real lives and just watch, listen and read what they produce. Because they can be just as disappointing as Joe 6-pack in their morals. |
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