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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 13, 2018 12:16:03 GMT -5
Jaded much, hahah.
Thhis isn't about you guys, it's about him, being celebrated in a major way with mainstream coverage. I thought that was something noteworthy for people like us, especially when it's the biggest award in comic books, that's all.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 13, 2018 13:10:19 GMT -5
Jaded much, hahah. Thhis isn't about you guys, it's about him, being celebrated in a major way with mainstream coverage. I thought that was something noteworthy for people like us, especially when it's the biggest award in comic books, that's all. I don't think it has anything to do with being jaded, it's just how some people interact with the medium. And it's not unique to comicdom, it's the same with anything really; in baseball there are some who want total immersion and whom thus consume every bit of information from rumors posted on numerous boards on line, trade magazines and news outlets and love memorizing statistics and then there are those who are fans just because of the the love of the game who just love listening to the game on the radio and going out for an afternoon at the ballpark once or twice a year but both are just as passionate. None of this lack of awareness of the award takes away from Corben's greatness; you'll find many fans here (myself included) but I think you'll find that the particular subset of fans who make up this community are more likely than not in the "love of the game" camp rather than the "total immersion" camp which accounts for the lack of awareness and slight ambivalence of the award.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 13, 2018 13:44:43 GMT -5
Total immersion? Sorry but I don't follow you there. Being aware of who wins the biggest international comic book award hardly counts as total immersion in my book, especially in a community mostly interested in comic books. I dont judge, mind you, I'm just rather surprised. And dismissing this felt a little jaded to me, yes indeed, especially since that was mostly a great opportunity to talk about Corben before anything else, so why not take it as such? Or even Angouleme BTW : this year had a two huge exhibitions on Urasawa and Tezuka, with 200 original pages of the later!
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Post by badwolf on Feb 13, 2018 14:11:14 GMT -5
I'm really into music, but I don't pay attention to the Grammys. (Though I am happy the Moody Blues finally got into the Hall of Fame.)
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 13, 2018 14:51:43 GMT -5
My personal take on awards are that it is nice for the recognition; but, they are hardly the arbiter of quality. A ton of great work never receives an award. My personal enjoyment of it is what matters to me, not what an awards committee thinks. I think Scott Roberts' Patty Cake had a depth that many Eisner Award-winning books lacked. The fact that it was a humor book, with a little kid, probably affects the perception of it. So, the Eisner committee didn't even nominate it; but, it's no skin off my back, as I know the quality at the center. To me, that is what's important.
To use the example of the Rock and Roll HOF above, I consider it a joke (and the Academy Awards). There is way too much politics involved as to who goes in and who doesn't. Moody Blues should have been in years ago. I can name dozens of bands who aren't in it that were both more commercially and artistically successful than bands that are. There is a snobbery component to many awards and some festivals and expositions. This is art, but that isn't. This is praise-worthy, that isn't. Ultimately, it is in the eye of the beholder.
I think it's great that Corben has been recognized for the award; but, I have always enjoyed his work and that is my real satisfaction. Obviously, the award means a great deal to you, and that is wonderful. My own blase attitude about the reward is in no way a criticism of your esteem for the honor; it's just my reaction to awards: "Oh, that's nice." I'm from a middle class, Midwestern United States family; we tend to take these kinds of things in stride. Don't get me wrong, though; I love the comic medium and the people who work in it, the material they produce. I have read every book on comics history that I could get my grubby hands on. I devour collections of classic newspaper strips, single panel cartoons, and narrative works. I seek out collections of foreign material to see what other countries produce. I( think it is wonderful that Angouleme has a museum devoted to comic art and throws the festival to highlight said art. I wish there was more of that in the US. Comic-Con has been diverted away from much of that and other cons vary in focus. It would be nice to have a comparable museum (though Kevin Eastman tried...)
I enjoy interacting with other people who share my love of comics, to differing degrees, which is why I come here. We all have our enthusiasms and our dislikes; sometimes they overlap and sometimes they are at odds. Sometimes, they only overlap to a small degree. It's all good.
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 13, 2018 14:57:10 GMT -5
ps, If I seem jaded, well, I'm 51 and have lived through Vietnam, Watergate, Reaganomics, served during the Gulf War, watched comic sales fall and rise and fall again, only to fall again. I've seen comics get outside media attention, often in rather condescending manners. I've seen Hollywood take note and then gut the property of what made it great. I've seen Hollywood get it right. I've consulted with schools about graphic novels for their shelves and talked to manga clubs about the history of Japanese comics. I've shown young kids comic collections and watched their eyes light up. Yeah, I'm jaded and cynical; but, I'm an advocate for comics and I get more satisfaction from turning someone on to a great story or fantastic art. To me, that is the best award. I hope Corben's award will turn others onto his amazing work.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 15:42:34 GMT -5
I am much more interested in nominations lists than winners when it comes to awards. I look at them to see if there is anything I was unaware of that might be worth checking out. Most award ceremonies themselves devolve into self-congratulatory claptrap and mob mentality echo-chambers where people like and dislike only what the mob says it is ok to like or dislike, but there are some worthwhile. I enjoyed watching clips of the Ringos last year (the replacement for the Harvey's at Baltimore last year), especially Scott Pedersen's keynote speech, but I do like festivals (like Cartoon Crossroads Columbus) that celebrate the artform and medium of comics, and it seems Angouleme is more along those lines than just an awards ceremony.
Awards have their place and function, the problem is there are far too many of them covering the same ground. In comics we have the Eisner's (i.e. the San Diego Awards), the Ringos (i.e. the Baltimore read Geppi/Diamond sponsored awards), the Harveys (which took a year off to relocate to become the NYCC awards leaving the hole at Baltimore that the Ringos filled), then awards form the big festivals (The Toronto Comics Expo has its own awards. Cartoon Crossroads has its own, Angouleme has its awards that have a more international cachet by lack any weight in the US outside the community of cartoonists itself). But it's been that way since I have been serious into comics-the Shazams, the Eagle Awards, the CBG fan awards, the Wizard fan awards, etc. etc. etc. you can't throw a stick without coming across some kind of award for comics and it all just blends into so much white noise after a while so its hard to take any of them with more than a grain of salt despite the best intentions of those behind them. I applaud the intent to recognize great comics and creators, but there are too many and they dilute themselves. Combine them into 2 sets of awards-one voted on by creators/industry professionals and one voted on by consumers/fans. But the industry can't even work together to reach new audiences and sell more books let alone work together to stage some kind of organized attempt to recognize quality within the industry. everyone is too busy trying to get their pennies of profit out of the process to make a concerted effort to make something that is worthwhile and grows the industry and its perception in the mass audience.
-M
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 13, 2018 16:27:04 GMT -5
Well of course this thread got side tracked into the value of rewards. But we can all agree Corben is awesome and has been for decades. And it is very cool he was honored here. Do we all recall when our comics and our music collided.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 13, 2018 17:00:31 GMT -5
I depend on the members that are outside of the US to tutor me on the great books That I haven't been exposed to. Expand my horizons , you know.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 13, 2018 17:57:19 GMT -5
Do we all recall when our comics and our music collided. Dawn (a.k.a Sacrifice), the album that got me into Gary Numan:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 18:53:54 GMT -5
Well of course this thread got side tracked into the value of rewards. But we can all agree Corben is awesome and has been for decades. And it is very cool he was honored here. Do we all recall when our comics and our music collided. I think it was before you joined kirby101, but I remember we had a whole thread about comic artists work outside the industry including album covers, book covers, movie posters, etc. etc. I'll have to look for it and post the link if I can find it. It made for interesting reading... -M edit: here's that thread but some of the pic links seem to have gone bad
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 13, 2018 19:37:31 GMT -5
Cool, mrp. I'd like to see that.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 13, 2018 21:23:50 GMT -5
Well of course this thread got side tracked into the value of rewards. But we can all agree Corben is awesome and has been for decades. And it is very cool he was honored here. Do we all recall when our comics and our music collided. Ha! Your comics and music, maybe. I wouldn't even allow a copy of that over-blown, prog-cum-AOR claptrap inside my house, let alone anywhere near my hi-fi! Meat Loaf's a hell of a performer, no doubts there, but man-oh-man...I find his music soooooo cringe-inducing. That is a really cool picture by Corben though, I'll admit that.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 13, 2018 22:45:16 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Meat Loaf, but liked the songs enough when it was on. This was a monster hit album though, and seeing the Corben cover was nerdatsic.
No better combo of cover art and music than YES and Roger Dean.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 22:51:25 GMT -5
I wasn't a big fan of Meat Loaf, but liked the songs enough when it was on. This was a monster hit album though, and seeing the Corben cover was nerdatsic. No better combo of cover art and music than YES and Roger Dean. I went through a phase where I was a big fan of Yes and King Crimson, and I still love Roger Dean's art (I saw Yes about 12 times in a 4 year span and Crimson, or spin-offs of Crimson members in the Projekcts, over 30 times in a 6 year span in the late 90s and early 2000s largely because a friend of mine back in CT was huge into both and got me into their stuff). For some reason I kept thinking Michael Whelan did the Meat Loaf album art, but that was Bat out of Hell 2 not 1, and I knew I was wrong the minute I saw the album art posted (hadn't looked at that album art in a long time). This has me thinking I need ot dig out my big coffee table book of rock album art that I got a couple years back and spend some time lovingly looking at that art from that era. I mean Frazetta, Freas, Dean, Corben, Crumb and others doing album art all in the same decade made for a great canvas to showcase their stuff. -M
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