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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2024 16:30:25 GMT -5
Rip's talked about the Battle Bowl thing, on his podcast. It was his idea for Hawk to lay him out and use him as a battering ram. He knew that he would not be seen as competitive, so he made sure to make Hawk look wild and bump for everyone else, since Hawk wasn't going to.
Rogers was probably one of the most talented guys working in WCW, at the time, had a better body and was a better worker than a lot of guys he was putting over; but, he didn't have the height, he was older, but he was a professional who was content to be working steadily, where he was positioned. He also ran developmental towns for WCW, putting on smaller shows with mid and undercard talent, to give them seasoning, in front of smaller, more forgiving crowds. He was pretty successful at it, too, until he was told that they were dropping the shows, because they would rather lose money on their big shows than make money on a bunch of small venues, which was typical of their attitude. As it was, WCW was pretty much there for tv ratings content and to balance the Turner financials, giving them a big tax write-off. regardless, Rip was always a pro, knew the business, and knew what his responsibility was. As it was, he got a little heat, because, even as a jobber, he got over stronger with crowds, without trying, because he was just a good performer. Some of the guys he faced didn't know how to connect, so he outshown them, while building them up. That said, everyone praised him for helping them with psychology and guiding them through matches.
Those drawings were always worked. It didn't take much scrutiny to see that they were booked to have certain outcomes and keep certain people strong and a balance of heels and babyfaces. Same with alleged fan votes, as they always matched booking plans.
RE: Survivor Series.
Keith Hart had a name, though not necessarily with the then-current WWF audience, except as far as the Hart Family was put over, as wrestlers. Keith had wrestled internationally, specializing mostly in tag teams and was a good worker. However, he and Bruce were a bit older than Bret (6 and 7 years, respectively) and had pretty much wound down their active careers by the time Bret started traveling to Japan and the US and Stu sold out. Bruce was still active and remained so, when they started Stampede back up, but he had been mostly retired for a few years. Keith was a solid wrestler, but not a flashy performer. Bruce was a bit more like that, but was smaller and looked better against junior heavyweights, like Dynamite Kid, than against heavyweights. He had the best booking mind of the sons, though he had to be watched or it would start to get goofy and he would book for his own amusement, rather than to draw a crowd.
Bruce and Keith could perform well enough to pull off a one-time or short term program, while Bret and Owen were the focus. The problem was that the program was built around Bret and Lawler and the rest were just supporting players. Also, the last minute scrambling with the match couldn't have helped the storytelling.
It's subjective, but Owen was probably the best all-around performer of the family, but he didn't have that same drive to be the top guy that Bret did. Bret probably edged him out in the charisma part, though Owen had a personality that connected to a wide audience; he just didn't get to show it as much, in a high profile way. Bret was a great technician, but Owen was better, though he cared more about having fun. Bruce had the mind, but not the size and also kind of fed his own ego. he kind of thought he should have gotten a job, with the WWF, along with Bret and Owen. Keith was the more laid back of that group, since it wasn't all about wrestling, for him. he had traveled and had his fun and got to be with his family.
As far as Bret's book, Bret doesn't come off to well in it, either, and most of what I have heard about the various Hart's says that Keith is generally considered to be pretty much the sanest, of the males, though Smith seemed pretty level headed in his WSI interview. Hard to say, though, as it sounds like sane is relative to the rest of the bunch. I do recall a story about one of the sisters being in an abusive relationship and Keith basically dragging the guy out of a car and beating the snot out of him, until Stu got involved and told him to stay out of it. The description of the incident didn't exactly put Stu in a good light, as far as protecting his daughter from an abuser, as much as being an old timer who felt his daughter had to sort out her own marriage.
I doubt anyone was truly sane, growing up in that environment. Reality has to be pretty warped, which seems a common thread among second and third generation performers.
And yes, the crack about indictments was specifically aimed at Lawler and yes he was charged with statutory rape. The accuser recanted, but then there was talk of a pay off and there are a LOT of other stories about Lawler and underage girls (including Stacy Carter, who may have been as young as 13 when she and Lawler first met, according to Chris Champion, who wasn't the most reliable source), not to mention Memphis, in general.
Wrestling seems to draw a high proportion of damaged individuals, if even half the stories you hear are true. Even more than acting or music.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2024 16:31:22 GMT -5
Austin was supposed to wrestle Hogan at WrestleMania X8, but they refused to job to each other and there was still heat between them over Austin's WCW days. Austin was on his way out at the time. He no-showed the following night's RAW and took the week off without permission. Then he started complaining about the programs he was being given, and when he no-showed again in June, they buried him. It was kind of annoying, actually, as he was going to feud with Eddie, then Brock, both of which could have been good. I thought there was some maneuvering; but, I was barely paying attention, by that point and didn't trust my memory, on that subject.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 21, 2024 16:41:14 GMT -5
codystarbuck , although it’s clear that Rumble drawings and Lethal Lottery pairings were worked, I have to ask, what about Taboo Tuesday (later Cyber Sunday)? Years ago, a friend told me that WWE would have been breaking laws by not adhering to fan votes (I voted for matches), but then who can tell? I’m not knowledgable about such things. Obviously, some things did seem dodgy. For instance, Cyber Sunday 2006 featured a fan vote for who would face Umaga. Choices were Kane, Sandman, and Chris Benoit. Kane won the vote (almost 50%). At the time, I felt that that was odd as Kane had already had matches with Umaga. Umaga vs Sandman would have been something different, a novelty, and I’m sure many might have liked to have seen Benoit and Umaga have a hard-hitting, brutal match. So when Kane got the vote, it did feel to me like something WWE would have done, rather than fans. Just my view. Do you believe we could trust the fan votes? I don’t know if North American fans voted by phone, us Brits voted online. It just never felt legitimate.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2024 16:57:36 GMT -5
codystarbuck , although it’s clear that Rumble drawings and Lethal Lottery pairings were worked, I have to ask, what about Taboo Tuesday (later Cyber Sunday)? Years ago, a friend told me that WWE would have been breaking laws by not adhering to fan votes (I voted for matches), but then who can tell? I’m not knowledgable about such things. Obviously, some things did seem dodgy. For instance, Cyber Sunday 2006 featured a fan vote for who would face Umaga. Choices were Kane, Sandman, and Chris Benoit. Kane won the vote (almost 50%). At the time, I felt that that was odd as Kane had already had matches with Umaga. Umaga vs Sandman would have been something different, a novelty, and I’m sure many might have liked to have seen Benoit and Umaga have a hard-hitting, brutal match. So when Kane got the vote, it did feel to me like something WWE would have done, rather than fans. Just my view. Do you believe we could trust the fan votes? I don’t know if North American fans voted by phone, us Brits voted online. It just never felt legitimate. Something like that is not governed by fraud laws, unless there is prize money involved. There is no monetary award in voting for a wrestling match and no one certifies the count. Even when there was money involved, things can be rigegd in other ways. McDonalds had their Monopoly game, for years, but you rarely heard about big winners, after a while, which led me to think that they might not be distributing certain "properties" in certain regions, to keep someone from accumulating the big pieces, as a set. However, it turned out that there was something like that; but not at the top. It was shenanigans at a lower level, which became obvious when they got greedy (which is usually how embezzlement goes down) By the same token, the booking tends to lead you to certain outcomes, which influences voting, not to mention how you give people choices. Look at DC vs Marvel. They big guns were not on the table for fan voting; only lesser characters. So, you didn't get to vote on anything that mattered, because of politics. That's like being an Academy member, but only being allowed to vote on the technical awards and not Best Picture or Actor or Actress. Besides, they always have disclaimers with "Card subject to change" for any even, live or PPV.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 21, 2024 17:06:37 GMT -5
Thanks. I wanted to clarify. I did say to my friend at the time something like, “Even if laws were broken, I doubt a federal law enforcement agency is going to spend time and money on fan votes for a WWE card.”
Wrestling fans often state they want new things, but when these “interactive PPVs” occurred, the results were often predictable. I was on a wrestling forum at the time of Cyber Sunday 2006, and so many comments were along the lines of, “How did they not vote for Benoit to have a heated bout with Umaga?” Some expressed a desire for a rules-free fight between Sandman and Umaga. Most were saying they didn’t want to see yet another Kane/Umaga match. So it just felt weird on every level.
Obviously, that forum only represented a fraction of the audience, but for most I spoke with, the near-consensus seemed to be that Benoit and Umaga could have had a stiff match which would be different from and better than Kane/Umaga.
That is just one example. Many other such fan votes had me and others expressing bewilderment.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 21, 2024 19:30:02 GMT -5
Thanks. I wanted to clarify. I did say to my friend at the time something like, “Even if laws were broken, I doubt a federal law enforcement agency is going to spend time and money on fan votes for a WWE card.” Wrestling fans often state they want new things, but when these “interactive PPVs” occurred, the results were often predictable. I was on a wrestling forum at the time of Cyber Sunday 2006, and so many comments were along the lines of, “How did they not vote for Benoit to have a heated bout with Umaga?” Some expressed a desire for a rules-free fight between Sandman and Umaga. Most were saying they didn’t want to see yet another Kane/Umaga match. So it just felt weird on every level. Obviously, that forum only represented a fraction of the audience, but for most I spoke with, the near-consensus seemed to be that Benoit and Umaga could have had a stiff match which would be different from and better than Kane/Umaga. That is just one example. Many other such fan votes had me and others expressing bewilderment. Of course they are, because that is what they have presented you. Their angles lead you to want to see certain conclusions, assuming they catch your interest, at all. These stunts just lead you by the nose, because they know only a very small proportion of the audience is going to say, "Hey, I'd rather see Ric Flair defend the NWA World title against Brad Armstrong than Lex Luger." The tv angles are all about Flair and Luger (or whoever the pairing is); so, why would the audience want something different, even though Brad Armstrong was so good and versatile that he would have a fantastic match with Flair, rather than the same old Flair and luger match we've seen. Since Brad isn't first and foremost in their minds, they will choose Luger as the opponent, though a few hardcore types might vote for Brad. There just won't be enough of them to sway the vote. Now, if the choice were closer, like Sting or Ricky Steamboat, then the outcome is more uncertain. Both have beaten Flair, both have had lots of great matches against him. Who gets chosen depends on probably a few votes; or, who has been feuding most recently and is fresher in the minds.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 21, 2024 19:44:13 GMT -5
I guess my votes didn’t sway anything, either. On every occasion, where possible, I voted for opponents that were fresh. So, for example, in 2007, one had to vote for which wrestler to wrestle against Randy Orton. Options were Shawn Michaels, Jeff Hardy and Mister Kennedy. I voted for Mister Kennedy as that seemed the freshest match up. Orton had already faced Michaels. Hardy and Kennedy seemed the fresher options, but, of course, WWE voters chose Shawn Michaels, the man we’d already seen Orton face previously. During that era, I said that I never wanted to hear any fan ever whine about seeing the same matches over and over again. When the choice was in their hands, they blew it!
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 22, 2024 8:09:16 GMT -5
I just finished watching Survivor Series 1993. Luckily we are back to the elimination style tag team matches. We’ve got four man tag teams in each match, plus the Smoky Mountain Wrestling Tag Team championship match will be held. We start with Lex Luger and his family wishing us a happy Thanksgiving. Bobby Heenan and Vince McMahon on commentary. The biggest news is that, about a week before this, it was announced that Jerry Lawler would not be participating due to legal problems. This had to do with an indictment for sodomy and statutory rape, I think. I was surprised that McMahan actually said it was legal issues rather than making an angle out of it, like that the Harts attacked him and put him in the hospital or something. Anyway, this is bad news for the WWF as this was the hottest feud by far going into Survivor Series, though you’ve also got the proud American wrestlers versus the evil foreigners feuds, as well. Anyway, the first match is Irwin R. Schyster, Diesel, Rick Martel & Adam Bomb (w/Harvey Wippleman) vs. Razor Ramon, Randy Savage, Marty Jannetty & 1-2-3 Kid. Interesting that the heel team all come out together, to Diesel’s “music” but the Face team all come out one at a time, each to his own music. Also, as far as I know, this is the first time the 1-2-3 Kid has had his own music. After Ramon comes out, he take the mic and announces that Mr. Perfect has already “tagged out” and his replacement will be…Randy Savage! Savage comes out to a big pop. Perfect missed this because of a back injury. Perfect had been feuding with Diesel, so that angle bites the dust here. Savage is feuding with Crush (who recently turned heel and took Mr Fuji as his manager) and unfortunately Crush isn’t on the other team but wat can you do. Marty Jannetty and the 1-2-3 Kid are the survivors from this match. This was a good match overall. While I fully expected the face team to win, I definitely didn’t expect Jannetty and Kid to be the two survivors! This also sets them up as an underdog tag team. I think both of these guys are very exciting, so it was good to see them survive. They also continued to play up some tension between Martel and Bomb/Whippleman which would seem to indicate that a face turn is coming for somebody. Next match is Shawn Michaels and His Knights The Red Knight, The Blue Knight and The Black Knight vs. Bret, Owen, Bruce & Keith Hart (w/Stu Hart). This was of course supposed to be Jerry the King Lawler and high knights, which of course makes more sense because it’s then a king and his knights (the Lawler/Hart feud started because Hart won King of the Ring tournament and there’s only room for one king in the WWF!) but it was a bit late in the game so the WWF did what they could with the hand they were dealt. Too bad, since Hart/Lawler had been a hot feud with a lot of buildup. Anyway, I’ve read that the knights are Jeff Gaylord (Black), Greg Valentine (Blue) and Barry Horowitz (Red) although they wore masks and we were never told who they are. As far as the Harts, we all know Bret and Owen, Bruce was at the last PPV (where he acted like an ass, as usual) and WWF fans and pretty much the entire world has never seen Keith Hart before. So we’ve really got Bret and Owen with a couple of guys that nobody knows and who don’t have great reputations as wrestlers (or even as people, to judge even by Bret Hart’s own book). The prematch interview is weird, as they’re talking as if all the stuff that Jerry Lawler did (the insults to Bret’s family and when he really insulted Stu and Helen) were actually done by Shawn Michaels, in order to build some heat for this out of nowhere matchup. Before the match Michaels goes over and taunts the Hart family members sitting in the front row, again to try and build some heat for this thing. Ray Combs (host of Family Feud) does the ring announcing, insulting the heels (as he did on a previous WWF PPV) but it would have been better if he could have been insulting Lawler instead of Michaels. They mention that Bruce and Keith are a fireman and substitute teacher and haven’t wrestled in years, which doesn’t make Michaels and his knight look good when they start taking bumps for these Harts. There was a “boring” chant during this match. Not a good sign. Especially as, prior to the sudden departure of Lawler, this match was the most hyped one on the card. The crowd was dead for this match. Anyway, this match was boring and much too long (almost 30 minutes!) and the crowd was dead for it (Jerry Lawler not being in it just killed this match), and the finish was lame, with Shawn Michaels just walking off. Also, I was annoyed that Owen got eliminated rather than Bruce and Keith. The events after this match famously set up the feud between Bret and Owen as Owen is upset over what happened (he bumped into Bret, who was standing on the apron, then Owen got rolled up while everybody ignored him and went to check on Bret) and he comes out and starts pushing Bret, then storms off to boos. So, the only good thing to come out of this match was the start of the Bret-Owen feud. Next match is Rock n Roll Express (champs) vs. Heavenly Bodies for the Smoky Mountain Wrestling tag team championship. Good match, but the crowd didn’t seem to care. I guess because they’re not familiar with these teams. Some amusing spots early on and some very nice tag team work overall. The Heavenly Bodies win thanks to Jim Cornette’s tennis rack (and I found out that Smoky Mountain Wrestling has the same stupid top rope rule as WCW) and are your new Smoky Mountain Wrestling Tag Team Champs! I just wish the crowd had care more about this match. Next match is Bam Bam Bigelow, Bastion Booger and The Headshrinkers – Samu and Fatu – (with Luna Vachon and Afa) vs. The Four Doinks (The Bushwhackers – Luke and Butch – and Men on a Mission – Mabel and Mo) (with Oscar)This was billed as four Doinks, but the pictures showed four real Doinks (we’ve seen two – Matt Borne and Steve Keirn – at once before but never four) so the expectation was, well, not for this. We get what are clearly the Bushwhackers and Men on a Mission (even Oscar has the Doink makeup and wig) waltz up to ringside. We don’t see the “real” Doink (I think Matt Borne had been fired by this point – I’d read that Bam Bam ratted him out to McMahon for smoking pot in the locker room, adding some real life heat to their feud – so I believe this is Steve Keirn now) until after the match, when he appears on the large video screen to mock Bam Bam for losing the match. There had been a “we want Doink” chant during the match, so I suspect that the fans were as disappointed as I in not really getting even one Doink, let alone two or four. This match was awful. Infamously bad. Oh, and the “Doink” team not only won, they shut out the other team! You’ve got perhaps the most dangerous tag team in WWF in the Headshrinkers, and a monster heel (and one of the best big men ever) who’s supposed to be an unstoppable force, and they get shut out by a comedy team! The freakin’ Bushwhackers! I’ll admit there were a couple of spots that amused me, but I think most wrestling fans over the age of 8 would cringe at this match. Mabel was clearly not legal man but allowed to make pin in one instance. Bottom line, this was a comedy match, a joke of a match with the rules completely ignored. For our main event, we’ve got All-Americans: Lex Luger, Undertaker & Steiner Brothers (w/Paul Bearer) vs. Foreign Fanatics: Yokozuna, Crush, Quebecer Jacques Rougeau & Ludwig Borga (w/James E. Cornette, Johnny Polo & Mr. Fuji)I actually saw a Finnish flag in the crowd. I hope they strung that guy up! A little background, Tatanka was originally on the All-Americans team, but in a match versus Ludvig Borga, he suffered his first loss, and both Borga and Yokozuna attacked him after the match, hospitalizing him and leaving him out of service for this event. He All-Americans eventually replaced him with the Undertaker, which of course the Foreign Fanatics were none too pleased about. Then, a few weeks later, Pierre was inured in a match against Lex Luger and left unavailable for this event. He was replaced by Crush, from that foreign nation of Hawaii. Crush has a cool new heel look, though to be honest, I liked his bright orange, yellow and purple babyface look too. Elimination of Rick Steiner was really weak. He came off the top rope onto Borga, then Borga just rolled him over and pinned him. I have no idea what Rick couldn’t have kicked out of that. Nothing really happened to him. Plus it looked like he got his arm up in time, but Hebner counted it anyway. I wonder if Rick had a legit leg injury there, so they just counted him out. Crush is eliminated by counting fighting Randy Savage outside the ring, to further that feud. Since this is a comic book website, I have to mention that Bobby Heenan made a Batman reference. The way Savage keeps getting into the building after getting kicked out (in order to go after Crush) Heenan says “What is he, Batman? Is he coming in through the rafters?” Undertaker was the last one in, and as hardly in this match at all. He and Yokozuna get the double countout, to set up their feud. In the end, it’s down to just Luger and Borga (after all, they’ve been trying to build up a feud between these two as well) and Luger wins it for the All-Americans by hitting Borga on the head with his loaded elbow. I don’t understand why Luger isn’t required to wear a forearm pad anymore. They made a big deal out of it, then they just forget about it and he’s allowed to knock guys out with his metallic arm again. Not a particularly good match, especially for the main event of a PPV. There was a cool Scott Steiner suplex of Borga off to rope, but not a lot else. Undertaker was hardly in this and he was the one everyone wanted to see the most. Oh, and Santa appears and the end and goes into the ring with the victorious Lex Luger. Overall, this was a weak PPV. The match with Ramon’s team vs. IRS’s team and the Heavenly Bodies vs. Rock N Roll Express were both very good matches, but everything else was skippable. In particular, the Hart match was a disaster with Lawler being out, and the Doink match was just ridiculous. As an aside, at one point, they switched commentators for one match so that Gorilla Monsoon and Jim Ross called one match (I forget which one now) while Heenan and McMahon took their place and called the match for WWF Radio. I did enjoy Team Razor versus Team IRS. Macho Man eliminating Diesel seemed a big surprise at the time, was this Diesel’s first televised loss? It may have been, but don’t quote me on that. I was sad Mr. Perfect wasn’t there, though. I was going to say that Diesel didn't have any singles losses yet (though I know he had a bunch of tag team matches) though I also know he'd had very few singles matches in WWF prior to Survivor Series anyway, but I decided to look it up. It looks like he actually lost his first WWF singles match, which was on September 12. Mr. Perfect pinned Diesel after Shawn Michaels interference backfired. Mr. Perfect then defeated Diesel 3 more times in house shows shortly after that, then Diesel beat the 1-2-3 Kid. Then, Diesel beat a bunch of jobbers while continuing to lose to Mr. Perfect. He also beat Bob Backlund a few times in November. With all those losses to Mr. Perfect, that makes it more of a shame that Perfect couldn't make it to Survivor Series (though of course Savage is a great substitute). In fact, Savage pinning Diesel, I would imagine, was originally supposed to be Perfect pinning Diesel, and they just kept that part of the booking the same.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 22, 2024 8:24:39 GMT -5
Thanks for doing the research.
It is funny how things can be. Like Tatanka’s undefeated streak. I’m almost certain he did go undefeated on TV, but I would bet money on the possibility that he got pinned at a house show. Who knows?
It is funny how there was a time when the WWF had “two universes” going: televised and untelevised. The WWF seemed to imply Undertaker’s first pinfall loss was to Hulk Hogan at the 1991 Survivor Series, but I’m certain Undertaker would have been pinned by Ultimate Warrior at house shows.
Most bizarre was, as things became more insider, wrestlers wearing championship belts on TV tapings even though they’d officially lost the belts weeks prior.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 22, 2024 15:12:30 GMT -5
Thanks for doing the research. It is funny how things can be. Like Tatanka’s undefeated streak. I’m almost certain he did go undefeated on TV, but I would bet money on the possibility that he got pinned at a house show. Who knows? It is funny how there was a time when the WWF had “two universes” going: televised and untelevised. The WWF seemed to imply Undertaker’s first pinfall loss was to Hulk Hogan at the 1991 Survivor Series, but I’m certain Undertaker would have been pinned by Ultimate Warrior at house shows. Most bizarre was, as things became more insider, wrestlers wearing championship belts on TV tapings even though they’d officially lost the belts weeks prior. You're right that televised and untelevised were different universes. I'm pretty sure they kept claiming that the Ultimate Warrior was undefeated (and supposedly Rick Rude gave him his first loss when he beat him for the Intercontinental championship) but I believe that he did have at least one untelevised loss prior to that.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 22, 2024 15:32:36 GMT -5
That’s an interesting one. I’m sure I once read that Andre had some pinfall victories over Warrior prior to that event.
Piper was another one, with the WWF claiming he wasn’t pinned until he lost to Bret at WM VIII. My memory is telling me Superfly got a televised pinfall win over him.
Makes you think about social media now. No way could they put out a narrative like they did back in the day.
Sometimes I do defend the hype, though: the WWF could hardly have promoted Hogan/Andre at WM III with, “Hogan vs. Andre in Michigan! Can Hogan defeat Andre, who has been pinned previously? And can Hogan become the next guy to slam him?” So I get that they pushed Andre as undefeated and having never been slammed.
But other times, it felt silly.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 22, 2024 15:37:39 GMT -5
DiBiase looks more like Noel Edmonds here:
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 22, 2024 18:28:40 GMT -5
On Bischoff’s Strictly Business podcast, he was asked about whether he could envision WrestleMania’s two nights taking place at different locations.
Bischoff seemed quite excited about the idea of Night 1 being in one country, and Night 2 being in a country on the other side of the globe. (He acknowledged the logistics and timezone differences would be difficult)
Obviously, WM II took place at 3 locations, but on one night.
What do you think about Bischoff’s idea?
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 22, 2024 21:26:13 GMT -5
On Bischoff’s Strictly Business podcast, he was asked about whether he could envision WrestleMania’s two nights taking place at different locations. Bischoff seemed quite excited about the idea of Night 1 being in one country, and Night 2 being in a country on the other side of the globe. (He acknowledged the logistics and timezone differences would be difficult) Obviously, WM II took place at 3 locations, but on one night. What do you think about Bischoff’s idea? Meh......not a fan of the two nights thing, in general, let alone two locations. If it were something like a tournament, that demanded more than one show, I could see it; but, these are just bloated regular shows, mixed with a fan convention. Now, if it was a tournament, coming from Rio de Janeiro, that would be different.
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Post by driver1980 on Mar 23, 2024 5:01:53 GMT -5
And if they did do 2 locations on opposite ends of the globe, it’ll give Hulk Hogan an opportunity to one day lie and claim he wrestled at both events.
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