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Post by Randle-El on Aug 20, 2019 16:25:20 GMT -5
And in other news, Disney has begun talks to purchase Sony Pictures...
In all seriousness, I think this could be a mistake for Sony if they don't work out a deal with Disney. The public has gotten used to an MCU Spidey. Once it was public that Fox had been purchased by Disney, all of the X-Men films not set in the MCU seem to have lost some of their appeal, and the most recent film was a complete bomb. I think people want to see the Marvel characters all under one roof, so Sony being the lone hold out could negatively affect public perception. On their hand, the Venom film seems to have done well, so I could be wrong. But my feeling is that people aren't going to buy a Spidey that's not in the MCU anymore.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 20, 2019 16:32:07 GMT -5
"There are currently two more “Spider-Man” films in development with Tom Holland and director John Watts attached, however they will go forward without the guidance of Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige."
So...the franchise continues, but will no longer reside in the MCU?
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Post by rberman on Aug 20, 2019 17:29:18 GMT -5
Yep. It's certainly possible they could do well, but this seems more like it was done for money than for creative benefit. Sony gonna Sony (and Disney gonna Disney).
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Post by The Captain on Aug 20, 2019 17:51:48 GMT -5
So instead of getting Spider-Man movies that are well-planned and fully-integrated into a successful shared universe setting, we'll likely get garbage like Spider-Man 3 with emo-dancing Tobey Maguire or either of the Andrew Garfield dumpster fires that will be critical failures and which will ruin Tom Holland's legacy as the best big-screen Spider-Man because Sony gotta do that dumbest thing possible.
Seriously, Disney just needs to pay Sony to go away. Offer them ESPN as a trade chip if necessary, but do not let Sony ruin future Spider-Man movies.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 20, 2019 17:57:46 GMT -5
And in other news, Disney has begun talks to purchase Sony Pictures... In all seriousness, I think this could be a mistake for Sony if they don't work out a deal with Disney. The public has gotten used to an MCU Spidey. Once it was public that Fox had been purchased by Disney, all of the X-Men films not set in the MCU seem to have lost some of their appeal, and the most recent film was a complete bomb. I think people want to see the Marvel characters all under one roof, so Sony being the lone hold out could negatively affect public perception. On their hand, the Venom film seems to have done well, so I could be wrong. But my feeling is that people aren't going to buy a Spidey that's not in the MCU anymore. Would probably take a while for the general public to catch on though. Millions of people watch these films, and most are the casual movie goer, not the invested comic enthusiast. Most people still don't know/understand that Marvel Studios is it's separate entity from other companies that simply have the films rights to a Marvel character. Heck, most people still don't know the difference between DC and Marvel. Superheroes are all the same in their mind. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 20, 2019 18:11:54 GMT -5
Also, on the surface level it seems that Disney may have gotten a little bit too greedy. Apparently wanted a 50/50 split at the box office. That's pretty brazen for a property they don't own the film rights to. Sony told them to get real. Maybe that is just where Disney wanted to start with negotiations in anticipation of working down, and Sony just walked out the door.
Whatever the case, it's a shame this partnership seems to have gone up on smoke. It's going to hurt both sides. Sony has a bad track record with live action Spider Man films the last decade plus. Also, they'd have to essentially ignore all MCU references, which is just going to be cringe worthy for fans to deal with. No Happy Hogan, no Stark tech, nothing of previous escapades, zero.
Marvel was clearly setting up Tom Holland to take over as the next big of the universe after the departure of RDJ. Sucks, but maybe this deal was just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic from the start anyway.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 20, 2019 20:09:09 GMT -5
Let's see what happens. I wasn't so crazy about Tony Stark dominating the first Spidey film. I haven't seen the new one yet but it appears that the Iron Man shadow was cast over that film, too.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 21, 2019 7:26:23 GMT -5
Let's see what happens. I wasn't so crazy about Tony Stark dominating the first Spidey film. I haven't seen the new one yet but it appears that the Iron Man shadow was cast over that film, too. Spidey is his own man! We don't need Stark added into the mix as Pete and his pals are plenty interesting and entertaining enough without the added iron in their movie diet. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 21, 2019 10:14:42 GMT -5
I have a feeling both sides will be heading back to the table.
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Post by Randle-El on Aug 21, 2019 10:25:39 GMT -5
And in other news, Disney has begun talks to purchase Sony Pictures... In all seriousness, I think this could be a mistake for Sony if they don't work out a deal with Disney. The public has gotten used to an MCU Spidey. Once it was public that Fox had been purchased by Disney, all of the X-Men films not set in the MCU seem to have lost some of their appeal, and the most recent film was a complete bomb. I think people want to see the Marvel characters all under one roof, so Sony being the lone hold out could negatively affect public perception. On their hand, the Venom film seems to have done well, so I could be wrong. But my feeling is that people aren't going to buy a Spidey that's not in the MCU anymore. Would probably take a while for the general public to catch on though. Millions of people watch these films, and most are the casual movie goer, not the invested comic enthusiast. Most people still don't know/understand that Marvel Studios is it's separate entity from other companies that simply have the films rights to a Marvel character. Heck, most people still don't know the difference between DC and Marvel. Superheroes are all the same in their mind. It is true that most people are not invested comic enthusiasts. But I think you'd be surprised at how many "casual" fans who didn't come from comics know what's going on behind the scenes. The MCU movies are big business, and general entertainment and media news coverage on those films is pretty comprehensive. The current Sony/Marvel dispute is being covered by a number of mainstream media outlets, including CNN, CNBC, and Hollywood Reporter, not to mention the original Deadline article. But even besides the backroom business dealings, Spider-Man has been too integrated into the MCU now for folks to not notice if suddenly in the next movies all MCU references were completely erased. I do agree with you that this may simply be the first round of negotiations. I just can't believe that both companies would be stupid enough to let a business opportunity like this fall apart. I have a feeling Sony thinks they have a lot more leverage now to negotiate better terms. Disney owns the MCU, but Sony owns the film rights to Spider-Man, and they know that Spidey has been made an increasingly important and visible part of the greater MCU. They may be leveraging that knowledge to get a better deal, gambling that Disney's plans for Spidey are too vital to the MCU to let go of. I saw this article on Newsarama, which had some interesting quotes. In particular, I thought it was pretty bold of Sony to claim Spider-Man as their intellectual property (versus Marvel's intellectual property that they currently have film adaptation rights to). www.newsarama.com/46605-sony-disappointed-in-disney-s-spider-man-decision-but-hopeful-to-re-negotiate.html |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 11:23:09 GMT -5
I just don't like other companies owning Marvel Characters period. It's heartbreaking for me.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 22, 2019 3:38:50 GMT -5
Let's see what happens. I wasn't so crazy about Tony Stark dominating the first Spidey film. I haven't seen the new one yet but it appears that the Iron Man shadow was cast over that film, too. Spidey is his own man! We don't need Stark added into the mix as Pete and his pals are plenty interesting and entertaining enough without the added iron in their movie diet. Ayup. I haven't seen the second Spider-Man MCU movie, but Homecoming was my least favorite Spider-Man flick and bottom 2 or 3 on my least favorite Marvel list. I'm up for a really broad interpretation of Spidey, but I need him to deal with his problems on his own and not play second fiddle to Iron Man. (Or anyone.) Everything else worked fine, but it felt like they completely ignored how the character works in order to cram in a bunch of cross-continuity. Give me three straight hours of dancing Spider-Man over that. Yeck. |
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Post by badwolf on Aug 23, 2019 15:53:59 GMT -5
The MCU seemed like a neat idea at first but it's increasingly become a chore to keep track of everything from movie to movie. I look forward to having a standalone Spidey again.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 23, 2019 22:01:48 GMT -5
I just re-watched Spider-Man 3. It's definitely hokey at times, and the Sandman subplot is completely superfluous, but I sure do prefer it over Spider-Kid. I'd happily go back to that.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Aug 23, 2019 22:06:14 GMT -5
The MCU seemed like a neat idea at first but it's increasingly become a chore to keep track of everything from movie to movie. I look forward to having a standalone Spidey again. Well, the Tony Stark intern thing just ended, so it seems like that is where we were headed anyway. |
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