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Post by kirby101 on Jan 16, 2020 20:25:55 GMT -5
Jack Kirby happens to be my favourite Captain America artist. Mine too, below is one of my favorite Kirby splashes. From Cap 103. That Treasury is done 35 years after kirby and Simon created the character, and he could still draw a great Cap.
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Post by Farrar on Jan 16, 2020 21:25:46 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 16, 2020 23:58:40 GMT -5
Argh! Sorry, Becca, That pic just gives me the whim-whams. From the one-legged guy with the dislocated neck bottom left - actually ALL those people are one legged so maybe Konga has interrupted a monoped convention and they're all hopping like crazy - "Hop away! Hop for your lives!" I hop and pray that their non-visible legs are there, just unseen by us due to foreshortening. I really don't want to choose between artists, I like both, neither are perfect, certainly Kirby is more multi-faceted having created such a variety from romance comics to war to real big ideas science-fiction. Neither was terribly gifted at dialogue I don't think, the contents of balloons and captions often come across as stilted when they have been the writer, but both extremely unique and recognizable. I think if an unpublished Ditko or Kirby comic from the '50s-'60s surfaced I'd be about as excited for either.
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 17, 2020 0:40:25 GMT -5
Jack Kirby happens to be my favourite Captain America artist. Mine too, below is one of my favorite Kirby splashes. From Cap 103. That Treasury is done 35 years after kirby and Simon created the character, and he could still draw a great Cap. ^ I believe Syd Shores was the inker of this panel, and he took Kirby's work to another level.
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Post by junkmonkey on Jan 17, 2020 4:18:30 GMT -5
Neither was terribly gifted at dialogue. Tell me about it! Some of Kirby's writing is extremely weird...
[Pause]
I went off to rifle through my New Gods collection to find some choice snippets.... And got hooked. (Another hour of my life I'm going to have to catch up with by doing the housework double time this afternoon.) Kirby's dialogue is (certainly in New Gods) not the sort of thing that sounds like normal speech, and any self-respecting actor would be hard pressed to deliver a lot of it easily. It's very stilted, full of exposition-filled soliloquising but there is a weird operatic grandeur to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 7:49:50 GMT -5
Thank you. Wow, I didn't know TwoMorrows' site did previews. Those issues look awesome. When I win the lottery, I'm buying every back issue. I may even buy some back issues digitally (but I do prefer reading paper copies).
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 8:55:38 GMT -5
Neither was terribly gifted at dialogue. Tell me about it! Some of Kirby's writing is extremely weird...
[Pause]
I went off to rifle through my New Gods collection to find some choice snippets.... And got hooked. (Another hour of my life I'm going to have to catch up with by doing the housework double time this afternoon.) Kirby's dialogue is (certainly in New Gods) not the sort of thing that sounds like normal speech, and any self-respecting actor would be hard pressed to deliver a lot of it easily. It's very stilted, full of exposition-filled soliloquising but there is a weird operatic grandeur to it.
I recently purchased the New Gods Artist Edition. I too got lost in the story. What a grand, expansive story it is. With AE.s one spends a lot of time on the art looking carefully panel to panel. Kirby's amazing story telling really shines through. As well as his ability to do awe inspiring pages.
As we know, his decision to write the dialog was because he was tired of others, mostly Stan, of getting credit for stories Kirby did everything for but the word balloons. Yes the dialog isn't jaunty, but it does serve the story. And he did improve. His writing on Kamandi was smoother.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 17, 2020 9:13:29 GMT -5
I came to New Gods late after Kirby had already left DC and gone back to Marvel. It is the late 70's and I read a couple of issues at my uncle's Barbershop and was blown away. Of course I never could find any other issues around to buy from used bookstores. Then after years of reading about how great New Gods was and wishing I could get it, something amazing occurs. 1984 and the LCS concept is strong. So DC finally reprints the entire series in a DELUXE 6 issue series along with new covers from Kirby. Talk about all kinds of total awesome! The better paper, better colors and thicker issues really highlight that DC really screwed up cancelling all of Jack's 4th world stuff too soon. Along side Forever People, Mister Miracle, Demon, OMAC and Kamandi I don't think DC understood what they had. It was all so NOT typical DC and they had no idea on what to do with Kirby the concept machine capable of cranking out more ideas than they could handle. Imagine if DC had given time for the 4th world to imprint upon readers and Kirby was left to doing the stories he wanted without publisher interference?
This along with Starlin's Warlock reprint series and the Lee/Buscema reprint series remain some of my most read issues of things I missed out on before becoming a "collector" of comic books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 9:19:04 GMT -5
^^^^ I was surprised by that and I agree with you 100 percent and then some ... brutalis
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Post by berkley on Jan 17, 2020 9:19:37 GMT -5
I don't have a problem at all with Kirby's unrealistic or un-naturalistic dialogue. His words, both speech and narration, were crucial to the New Gods and the Eternals and neither would have worked with another script-writer. Time and again there are important lines that illuminate or encapsulate the underlying themes of the work and I can't see another script-writer being able to do that.
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 9:34:37 GMT -5
I think New Gods has aged very well. Like berkley, I don't have a problem reading it now. But when I originally read it in 1971 I found it awkward. Probably because it was so different from the usual Marvel book I was reading.
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Post by MDG on Jan 17, 2020 9:55:25 GMT -5
...DC really screwed up cancelling all of Jack's 4th world stuff too soon. Along side Forever People, Mister Miracle, Demon, OMAC and Kamandi I don't think DC understood what they had. It was all so NOT typical DC and they had no idea on what to do with Kirby the concept machine capable of cranking out more ideas than they could handle. Imagine if DC had given time for the 4th world to imprint upon readers and Kirby was left to doing the stories he wanted without publisher interference? Yeah--both Marvel and DC were so set in their ways, they didn't see where comics could--and ultimately did--go. In a lot of ways, they seem to have been run like mom-and-pop businesses without looking to the future.
I think Kirby saw better what was possible and was proposing new things. Not just Fourth World, but Days of the Mob, Spirit World, Soul Love...
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 17, 2020 11:02:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2020 11:16:27 GMT -5
This thread has shown me there is still so much to learn about Jack Kirby. My decision to subscribe to the Jack Kirby Collector was a wise one.
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Post by profh0011 on Jan 17, 2020 14:12:34 GMT -5
Neither was terribly gifted at dialogue I don't think, the contents of balloons and captions often come across as stilted when they have been the writer NOBODY does more awkward or stilted or un-natural dialogue than Roy Thomas.
"CONAN" is the only thing he worked on I can stand at all on that score.
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