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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 21, 2021 11:12:10 GMT -5
Most of the true A-listers (at the Big Two, anyway) were created before 1970. How many true A-Listers came after that?
Wolverine is the one obvious choice Perhaps some of the other all-new, all-different X-Man fit into this category also, such as Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty Pride.
Maybe Venom? Who else?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:14:35 GMT -5
Most of the true A-listers were created before 1970. How many true A-Listers came after that? Wolverine is the one obvious choice Perhaps some of the other all-new, all-different X-Man fit into this category also, such as Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty Pride. Maybe Venom? Who else? I'm assuming you mean big 2 characters? There is a nearly endless list of great characters created post-Bronze Age in books other than the big 2. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:15:12 GMT -5
If we’re counting the Big Two, may I suggest Deathstroke and Deadpool?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:23:37 GMT -5
Well for DC-Starfire, Raven and Cyborg were all post-70. Most of Kirby's DC output (Darkseid and the Fourth World etc.) is from '70 and later, but that's Bronze Age not post Bronze Age. Dream and the Endless from Gaiman's Sandman. If the cut off is 1970 for Marvel then Thanos, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Falcon, etc. are all on the list, but again they are Bronze Age not post-Bronze Age.
-M
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 21, 2021 11:34:40 GMT -5
Captain Victory, Groo the Wanderer, Nexus, Judah Maccabee the Hammer of God, Jon Sable Freelance, Grim Jack, Starman (Jack Knight), Stargirl, Ms. Tree, Girl Genius, Reuben Flagg, Coley Cochran.
It's been my observation that the first 10 or so years of any character's history is usually the best and most inspired. After that, with rare exceptions, they're just living off their reputation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:36:21 GMT -5
It's been my observation that the first 10 or so years of any character's history is usually the best and most inspired. After that, with rare exceptions, they're just living off their reputation. That’ll make a great topic one day! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:40:41 GMT -5
I'll add Harley Quinn.
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 21, 2021 11:52:31 GMT -5
From the big two: Wolverine, Deadpool and Harley Quinn seem to be most obvious choices: long running solo-titles, appearances in movies and cartoons and other media.
Spawn was about to be for a bit (long-running title, a movie, HBO-series, guest appearances in video games), but isn't really that well known these days anymore.
Hellboy comes to mind. Long presence of comics (not a single ongoing, but a good stream of mini-series), two movies, at least one video game I know of, some cartoons.
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comes to mind as well.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 21, 2021 16:16:51 GMT -5
Most of the true A-listers were created before 1970. How many true A-Listers came after that? Wolverine is the one obvious choice Perhaps some of the other all-new, all-different X-Man fit into this category also, such as Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, and Kitty Pride. Maybe Venom? Who else? I'm assuming you mean big 2 characters? There is a nearly endless list of great characters created post-Bronze Age in books other than the big 2. -M Yeah, I was referring to the Big Two. Maybe I'll edit my post to mention that. |
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 21, 2021 16:26:58 GMT -5
I thought the bronze age was the70s, more or less. i can never get that straight.
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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 22, 2021 11:45:39 GMT -5
I thought the bronze age was the70s, more or less. i can never get that straight. You're right. I screwed up the title of the thread, so I just fixed it. |
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Post by MDG on Dec 22, 2021 14:51:26 GMT -5
What constitutes A-List? If you mean "known to people who don't read comics," it's going to be a short list. Not as short as before the comic movie/tv explosion, but still...
8 out of 10 people--in the US--could probably come up with "sent to earth when krypton exploded" or "parents shot by crook" or "bitten by a radioactive spider" or "mutants," but something like that for characters after 1970 or 80.... Vision and Scarlet Witch (created in the 60s) was all people talked about for three months, but those who didn't watch it probably couldn't say anything about the characters. (Hell, I've been reading stories w/ the Scarlet Witch for over 40 years and I can't explain what her hex power actually does.)
If you mean things like continually published, a guest shot in another book bumps sales, readers excited by new creators, the list is much longer, but still inside baseball.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 22, 2021 16:14:34 GMT -5
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Post by jason on Dec 22, 2021 16:40:45 GMT -5
Are we counting "legacy" characters who take on the mantle of an already established hero, ie Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)?
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 22, 2021 16:47:30 GMT -5
Depends what we mean by A list, of course, but I think the loosening of the code in 1971 led to a flood of major new anti-hero characters that previously weren't allowed. Ghost Rider, Punisher, and Wolverine are probably the biggest, but there are a lot more characters from this period that remain relevant today both in comics and in other media. Thanos and Darkseid are two more.
I think the things trickle off towards the end of the 70s as creators rights became a big talking point in the industry and the creators were less and less inclined to give their good ideas to the publishers. That's why we see a ton of great new indie characters coming out in the early 80s as the direct market allows creators to bypass the big two and go directly to fans. Other than legacy characters, who don't really count in most cases for me, the only A listers I can think of from the big two after the early 80s are Deadpool and Harley Quinn, and she wasn't even created in the comics.
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