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Post by commond on Jun 7, 2022 8:30:37 GMT -5
This seems like a classic penciller vs. cartoonist debate. I'm not familiar with Reis' work, but he's drawn comparisons to Neil Adams and Alan Davis. If that's the type of pencils you like then it's highly unlikely that you'll enjoy Allred. I was a big fan of Madman in the 90s, and was actually quite surprised to discover that Allred had been doing mainstream superhero work for DC and Marvel. I could imagine him doing work for Vertigo, or maybe doing some covers or pin-ups, a fill-in issue even, but I was very surprised by the runs that he had. I don't know if other cartoonists have done the same thing. I guess the editors in charge thought it would be novel, and it was novel. I remember being surprised when Chris Bachalo ended up doing a X-book, actually. Sam Kieth also did some far out stuff for Marvel at one point. I think it's kind of cool seeing artists like Allred do mainstream comic work. He has a deliberate style. Some people call it pop art, but he credits Kirby as his biggest influence. For the record, that's a pretty decent looking Superman. I'm assuming it's a Curt Swan look he's going for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 10:48:09 GMT -5
This seems like a classic penciller vs. cartoonist debate. I'm not familiar with Reis' work, but he's drawn comparisons to Neil Adams and Alan Davis. If that's the type of pencils you like then it's highly unlikely that you'll enjoy Allred. I was a big fan of Madman in the 90s, and was actually quite surprised to discover that Allred had been doing mainstream superhero work for DC and Marvel. I could imagine him doing work for Vertigo, or maybe doing some covers or pin-ups, a fill-in issue even, but I was very surprised by the runs that he had. I don't know if other cartoonists have done the same thing. I guess the editors in charge thought it would be novel, and it was novel. I remember being surprised when Chris Bachalo ended up doing a X-book, actually. Sam Kieth also did some far out stuff for Marvel at one point. I think it's kind of cool seeing artists like Allred do mainstream comic work. He has a deliberate style. Some people call it pop art, but he credits Kirby as his biggest influence. For the record, that's a pretty decent looking Superman. I'm assuming it's a Curt Swan look he's going for. Allred's Bug: Adventures of Forager reads like a love letter to Kirby.  -M |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 7, 2022 13:30:02 GMT -5
This seems like a classic penciller vs. cartoonist debate. I'm not familiar with Reis' work, but he's drawn comparisons to Neil Adams and Alan Davis. If that's the type of pencils you like then it's highly unlikely that you'll enjoy Allred. I was a big fan of Madman in the 90s, and was actually quite surprised to discover that Allred had been doing mainstream superhero work for DC and Marvel. I could imagine him doing work for Vertigo, or maybe doing some covers or pin-ups, a fill-in issue even, but I was very surprised by the runs that he had. I don't know if other cartoonists have done the same thing. I guess the editors in charge thought it would be novel, and it was novel. I remember being surprised when Chris Bachalo ended up doing a X-book, actually. Sam Kieth also did some far out stuff for Marvel at one point. I think it's kind of cool seeing artists like Allred do mainstream comic work. He has a deliberate style. Some people call it pop art, but he credits Kirby as his biggest influence. For the record, that's a pretty decent looking Superman. I'm assuming it's a Curt Swan look he's going for. Allred's Bug: Adventures of Forager reads like a love letter to Kirby. -M Such a fun book. And I'm not a Fourth World fan. |
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Post by badwolf on Jun 7, 2022 14:34:29 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Madman in the 90s, and was actually quite surprised to discover that Allred had been doing mainstream superhero work for DC and Marvel. I could imagine him doing work for Vertigo He did at least one, a one-shot called Vertigo Visions: The Geek with Rachel Pollack.
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Post by DubipR on Jun 7, 2022 14:46:01 GMT -5
I was a big fan of Madman in the 90s, and was actually quite surprised to discover that Allred had been doing mainstream superhero work for DC and Marvel. I could imagine him doing work for Vertigo He did at least one, a one-shot called Vertigo Visions: The Geek with Rachel Pollack.
And the Prez issue in Sandman  |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 7, 2022 14:51:52 GMT -5
He was also the main artist on iZombie for Vertigo.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 7, 2022 15:32:19 GMT -5
Ohhh yeah! I have to admit, Boss Smiley was suitably creepy.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 7, 2022 20:20:38 GMT -5
Yeah, given what thwhtguardian just posted, and as someone who likes Ivan Reis' art (I read a few Aquaman stories he illustrated a few years ago that I thought were very well done), I have to say that you didn't do him, or your argument, any favors by posting that image - it's far from his best work and doesn't showcase what he's capable of doing. I posted an inquiry more so, not an argument. Stark difference. And yeah that was a splash page by Reis, but even if the composition is different/more creative, the style would look the same. Whether Allred for instance had the most interesting panel layouts wouldn't change how his figures look or how he draws backgrounds to me. |
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Post by james on Sept 8, 2022 12:40:57 GMT -5
Hate to pile on but I never got Allred's art. Now with that said i can't speak to his writing because his art turns me off so I've never read a comic he has written
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Post by impulse on Sept 8, 2022 13:09:46 GMT -5
So, Allred is interesting. I can see that it is very well-done and stands out, but I don't really like it. His layouts, composition and storytelling, specifically in the posted examples, are excellent, but I don't care for the way he draws people, particularly faces.
While I don't like it, I recognize that it is very well executed. The figures might look "simple" but the layouts, the perspective, the storytelling, placement, angles, etc, are all meticulously done. His art is a good example of something that I can recognize is done very well but that I just don't like.
That first comparison panel, while well-drawn, does nothing for me and looks like the epitome of generic 90s/00s DC art.
Thinking about it, he is similar to Quitely in that while his faces and figures can be offputting at first, his scale and storytelling were so good they won me over. I don't see that happening with Allred for me, but I respect the skill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 13:58:16 GMT -5
I will say, his current series, Superman: The Space Age written by Mark Russell is freaking brilliant.    There's a page with the Batcave in there I just love, but the only online image of it I can find is from a pirating site so I won't link it. I find Allred hit or miss at times, but the stuff he does that hits, I really like. On this project with Russell, he looks to be hitting on all cylinders if the first issue is any measure (#2 is not out yet). -M |
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 9, 2022 13:28:14 GMT -5
For ComicCon this past summer, Mike & Laura Allred decorated a couple of vehicles from my favorite electric 3-wheel minicar company, Arcimoto. Images are surprisingly hard to find, but I got a couple:   |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 12, 2022 8:40:32 GMT -5
I like Allred's art because it's not standard.. Reis' splash from the 1st post is just generic superhero poster #5. Allred has expression and nuance... makes you want to know what's going on.
I've never loved the books he's written (though I never got to Madman), but the style is always interesting to see... I'll definitely get that Superman book at some point (probably in trade)
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