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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 7:04:06 GMT -5
I don't think hiring someone who didn't come from the Kubert school is what makes comics suffer. And by comics, we're talking Marvel and Dc superhero comics here, and even then , strictly the in-continuity monthly floppy stuff, obviously. No, those comics suffer from a myriad of problems that the Kubert school absolutely cannot fix, and may even perpetuate in some cases.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 18, 2014 7:52:12 GMT -5
Hiring isn't the only problem to solve in the comic industry, but I was trying to stay "on topic". Not sure I'm doing a great job, though.
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Post by MDG on Nov 18, 2014 10:43:48 GMT -5
I'm okay with "learning by doing", as long as it's self-published work. The industry, on the other hand, should choose carefully who gets published/paid. Comics, as an art, suffer because of their carelessness. I think it's more of a problem that there are comparatively few professional options for people to "learn by doing." Through the bronze age, at least, new talent would be tried out on short back-up, war, mystery stories. That's not there anymore. I don't think hiring someone who didn't come from the Kubert school is what makes comics suffer. And by comics, we're talking Marvel and Dc superhero comics here, and even then , strictly the in-continuity monthly floppy stuff, obviously. In the mid-80s, I was talking to an artist at a show and asked him if he'd gone to the Kubert School and he got upset when I said I thought a lot of the graduates had similar styles. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 18, 2014 11:57:14 GMT -5
In the mid-80s, I was talking to an artist at a show and asked him if he'd gone to the Kubert School and he got upset when I said I thought a lot of the graduates had similar styles. In the first wave of Kubert School graduates, I would have said yes. Even though they're masters, Tim Truman, Steve Bissette, John Totleben, Rick Veitch, Tom Yeates, and Tom Mandrake had a lot of similaries in their work. As the school has developed, you've seen a lot more variety in its artists. I mean, artists like Damion Scott, Matt Haley, and Amanda Connor are pretty far removed stylisitically from Joe's style, and someone like Chris Mooneyham, whose work is very much an homage to Joe's, is more the rarity amongst their graduates these days. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:02:57 GMT -5
I've actually been surprised at some of the graduates being very far off from house style. Maybe the school has changed, but I think they mostly teach students how to sequentially illustrate, set up a page and all that. Not just how to draw the Marvel way or whatever. I forgot who most recently mentioned the school, maybe it was Adam Warren
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 18, 2014 17:57:57 GMT -5
I've actually been surprised at some of the graduates being very far off from house style. Maybe the school has changed, but I think they mostly teach students how to sequentially illustrate, set up a page and all that. Not just how to draw the Marvel way or whatever. I forgot who most recently mentioned the school, maybe it was Adam Warren Yeah, and it's not all superhero guys, either. Lots of artists who I would say are more along the cartoonist side of things and get into animation.
Plus, the coloring process is something that the Kubert School really pushed. Obviously, you had Veitch encouraged to experiment wildly with his coloring in the '80s, but Adam and Andy also got their start in the business as colorists. Then, in the '90s, you'd have someone like Matt Hollingsworth, Kubert alum, coming into the industry and really changing the idea of what coloring could mean to a comic. Dave Stewart, etc.
It may have gotten a reputation as a farm system for DC early on because Joe would get his students work, but eventually, it became a pretty varied place with some exceptional alumni.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:35:51 GMT -5
Yeah for some reason I keep thinking I read that someone with a more Jeff Smith cartoony style went there. Maybe Jeff Smith. Or Eric Powell.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 18, 2014 18:43:21 GMT -5
Yeah for some reason I keep thinking I read that someone with a more Jeff Smith cartoony style went there. Maybe Jeff Smith. Or Eric Powell. It wasn't Jeff Smith. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 18, 2014 19:18:36 GMT -5
Yeah for some reason I keep thinking I read that someone with a more Jeff Smith cartoony style went there. Maybe Jeff Smith. Or Eric Powell. May have been Powell. For some reason, I have it in my mind that he attended the Kubert School, but I may have him confused with Eric Shanower, who definitely did. Speaking of artists you wouldn't think of as a Kubert alum, Eric Shanower with that pristine line. I just picked up the first four tpbs of Age of Bronze, and I've been incredibly impressed by what I've read. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 19:24:15 GMT -5
I haven't read enough of that series. Maybe three or four issues, but yeah, every one of them has sold me on the idea of picking up the entire series in TPB as soon as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 23:56:21 GMT -5
I love Age of Bronze, but have been a fan of Shanower since I encountered his Oz stuff from First in the 80s.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 19, 2014 11:14:42 GMT -5
I love Age of Bronze also. But the one issue per year publication schedule is pretty painful.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2014 11:40:35 GMT -5
It's even more painful for those who (like me) wait for the trades...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 19, 2014 12:03:29 GMT -5
It's even more painful for those who (like me) wait for the trades... I was still in law school when I bought the first issue. My youngest son hadn't even been born yet. He's managed 33 issues in 15 years. But the first half dozen or so came out with some regularity. But he's now averaging one every year or so. Worth the wait...but it's a LONG wait. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 19, 2014 13:17:46 GMT -5
It's even more painful for those who (like me) wait for the trades... I was still in law school when I bought the first issue. My youngest son hadn't even been born yet. He's managed 33 issues in 15 years. But the first half dozen or so came out with some regularity. But he's now averaging one every year or so. Worth the wait...but it's a LONG wait. Even the Trojan War only took 9 years!!!!
Like I said, I just started reading Age of Bronze, but my book like that is Jason Lutes' Berlin. I believe it's lasted longer than the Weimar Republic at this point. Lutes does teach at CCS in Vermont with the likes of James Sturm and Steve Bissette, and they've become a go-to school for more alternative cartoonists lately.
Oh, and Strangehaven, but I think that's coming back soon. (I believe there may have been a short story in the new A1 Annual.)
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