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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 6:24:11 GMT -5
Thanks, although I’d have presumed the Omniverse and the Multiverse are one and the same. You see, “every multiverse” seems almost akin to an oxymoron. Well, "Omni" comes from the latin "omnis" which means "everything". "Multi" comes from the latin "Multis" which means "many". So, everything >>> many. It makes sense to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 6:27:47 GMT -5
Yes, that makes sense. I guess I just thought of the Multiverse as all-encompassing.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 5, 2023 7:20:31 GMT -5
A multiverse is a set of universes sharing a common point of origin (like the pre-Crisis DC multiverse). The Omniverse is the sum of all reality, i.e., every universe that ever has, does, or will exist.
Cei-U!
Here endeth the (comic book) physics lesson!
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 7:24:03 GMT -5
Yes, that makes sense. I guess I just thought of the Multiverse as all-encompassing. Well, I think this was the case before COIE right? Then the contradictions and violations reached such a critical mass that even a simple Multiverse was no longer enough. So DC said, "You know what? EVERYTHING happened. Absolutely everything. All of it. So adventures happen in an Allverse. But we say it in latin which is more chic, ergo Omniverse." |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2023 7:35:07 GMT -5
So, any stories mentioned here meet the standard of broken continuity instead of retcon or elseworld? After the crisis, Batman had a totally different way he ,met Jason Todd. Previously, Todds origin was similar to Graysons. Afterwards, he was introduced when Batman caught him robbing the tires off the Batmobile. No explanation and no break in numbering. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2023 7:37:08 GMT -5
A multiverse is a set of universes sharing a common point of origin (like the pre-Crisis DC multiverse). The Omniverse is the sum of all reality, i.e., every universe that ever has, does, or will exist. Cei-U! Here endeth the (comic book) physics lesson! Hope that includes toys, I came up with some great scenarios with the Super Powers and Secret Wars line (such as Batman and Robin being trapped in the Tower of Doom!). |
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 7:54:15 GMT -5
So, any stories mentioned here meet the standard of broken continuity instead of retcon or elseworld? After the crisis, Batman had a totally different way he ,met Jason Todd. Previously, Todds origin was similar to Graysons. Afterwards, he was introduced when Batman caught him robbing the tires off the Batmobile. No explanation and no break in numbering. Well, the explanation was simply "Crisis happened". I mean, the universe was literally restarted, so some differences from before are understandable. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2023 8:32:57 GMT -5
After the crisis, Batman had a totally different way he ,met Jason Todd. Previously, Todds origin was similar to Graysons. Afterwards, he was introduced when Batman caught him robbing the tires off the Batmobile. No explanation and no break in numbering. Well, the explanation was simply "Crisis happened". I mean, the universe was literally restarted, so some differences from before are understandable. Of course but there was no renumbering , no explanation. Nothing. |
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Post by zaku on Feb 5, 2023 9:15:26 GMT -5
Well, the explanation was simply "Crisis happened". I mean, the universe was literally restarted, so some differences from before are understandable. Of course but there was no renumbering , no explanation. Nothing. Uh? What kind of explanation? "Hey remember that mega-crossover event which lasted a year, where universes were destroyed, a new universe was born and was advertised saying 'Everything will be different!!!'? The event everyone was talking about?"  "And then we even published a new History Of Dc Universe?"  "Well, this is the reason why some events are portrayed differently from before that". That would have been a mouthful to include as an explanation in every panel where something different from before Crisis was happening.  About the numbering, Action Comics kept the same numbering but I don't remember people were confused and said that they were violating pre-Crisis continuity. In my mind (well, even in that of the publishers of the time I suppose), they are two distinct characters with two different continuities, so the first does not "violate" that of the latter. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2023 9:34:03 GMT -5
Of course but there was no renumbering , no explanation. Nothing. Uh? What kind of explanation? "Hey remember that mega-crossover event which lasted a year, where universes were destroyed, a new universe was born and was advertised saying 'Everything will be different!!!'? The event everyone was talking about?" "And then we even published a new History Of Dc Universe?" "Well, this is the reason why some events are portrayed differently from before that". That would have been a mouthful to include as an explanation in every panel where something different from before Crisis was happening. About the numbering, Action Comics kept the same numbering but I don't remember people were confused and said that they were violating pre-Crisis continuity. In my mind (well, even in that of the publishers of the time I suppose), they are two distinct characters with two different continuities, so the first does not "violate" that of the latter. Action and Adventures kept the numbering but it was after the 6 issue Man of Steel Byrne reboot mini series. Batman had Todd come into Batman's life to be adopted in Detective 526 in May 1983. In March 1987 Batman #408 had him "meet " Batman again. If you are collecting the Batman titles at that time ( which I was) It's quite Jarring. It should have been started again they way Superman's main title was.  |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 5, 2023 9:58:50 GMT -5
Didn't Crisis break all continuity and restart it?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2023 10:01:11 GMT -5
Didn't Crisis break all continuity and restart it? Yes and no. The Batman and Green Lantern books had slight revisions. Except for the Todd and Superman relationship , Batman stayed the same. |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 5, 2023 10:05:37 GMT -5
Of course pre-Crisis, DC was not big on continuity anyway. Wasn't COIE a way to introduce a more Marvelesque continuity to DC?
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 5, 2023 10:09:01 GMT -5
Of course pre-Crisis, DC was not big on continuity anyway. Wasn't COIE a way to introduce a more Marvelesque continuity to DC? Crisis was the attempt to combine all the various earths into one earth. They used the opportunity to restart some of their top characters. Also, DC was getting killed sales wise by Marvel. So they did the event and it worked to revive their sales. |
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Post by badwolf on Feb 6, 2023 16:03:43 GMT -5
 Grant Morrison "violating" his own continuity by bringing back Buddy Baker's murdered family because he's the writer and he can. |
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