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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 9, 2023 8:13:47 GMT -5
 In the Nick Fury vs SHIELD mini-series, a sentient and evil LMD managed to bring both HYDRA and SHIELD down. Fury started rebuilding his organization (with a different name but the same acronym) in the early issues of the following Nick Fury, agent of SHIELD series, in the course of which his old nemesis Baron Strucker was revived because of course. Then in issue 25, we see the culmination of Fury's rebuilding effort: a graduation ceremony for the first new batch of agents. But Strucker intends to be the fly in the ointment, the ants at the picnic, the fill-in issue in a Paul Gulacy run of MoKF: he manages to blow up the SHIELD building and everyone inside (and then sends in goons with guns for good measure). The main characters all survive, but boy! It's 1-0 for HYDRA, no contest. Meanwhile (or rather several years before!), in G.I. Joe #53, the nefarious forces of C.O.B.R.A., not content with adding yet another acronym to this post, attack and destroy the Joes' main base, called the Pit. On the bright side, this convinces the powers that be that the Joes are still needed as a fighting force (something that had been a matter of dispute in recent issues), but yeah... no more base. COBRA wins this one. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 9, 2023 8:27:27 GMT -5
I also remember the G.I. joe story were Cobra Island was recognized as a sovereign state and G.I. Joe was forced to leave the island (Quick Google: G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero" Vol1 #41)
Daredevil vs the Hulk in Frank Miller's run ended as you'd expect with Daredevil in the hospital. Still I don't count Hulk as one of the bad guys and he did feel bad about it.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 9, 2023 8:34:29 GMT -5
Joker killing Robin.
Doomsday killing Superman.
Final Crisis ("the day evil won"), Darkseid subjugating most of humanity, including many heroes.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 9, 2023 9:01:05 GMT -5
There was a Thor issue where he fought Juggernaut. Might have been the second encounter they had. Thor was really ineffective against Juggernaut. If I remember rightly, I think he used Mjolnir to banish Juggernaut to another realm. So, yes, a victory of sorts, but a very lucky one. If I remember the story correctly, I don’t think anything Thor did, including the use of Mjolnir, had even a slight impact on Juggernaut, although I’d have to refresh my memory to be sure.
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Post by jester on Aug 9, 2023 10:24:04 GMT -5
Amazing Spider-Man #18 involves Spidey getting beaten up and having to run away from the Sandman. They have a rematch next issue and Sandman is beaten, but it's a total victory for Sandman in #18.  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 9, 2023 10:25:41 GMT -5
Micronauts #50, "Sometimes the good guys lose".
In this and the previous issue, Baron Karza, the series' main (and, let's face it, only interesting) villain turns out not to have been dead after all, but gestating in the body of Princess Mari's brother. Karza bursts out, killing his host, and then proceeds to thin out the comics' cast of characters.
Karza immediately reestablishes himself as the Microverse's tyrant -just his being there seems to do the trick- and the Micronauts barely escape with their tail tucked between their legs. Among the dead team members and allies they leave behind are Slug, Pharoid, Devil, Microtron, Nanotron (yay!), Force Commander (who had seemingly turned evil but had only been a pawn after all) and a lot of assorted characters we didn't care too much about but who had actual names.
If you gotta give a comic a good kick to make it interesting again, this is an acceptable strategy.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 9, 2023 11:19:07 GMT -5
Wasn't that the best part of The Infinity Gauntlet? This huge, mega event for Marvel begins with Thanos having already conquered the universe and spends five issues with the heroes utterly embarrassing themselves in efforts to stop him without hope only for an internal feud amongst the villains to finally dethrone Thanos and set things back to normal.
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Post by DubipR on Aug 9, 2023 20:09:04 GMT -5
"I did it 35 minutes ago"
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Post by DubipR on Aug 9, 2023 20:16:22 GMT -5
Empire. Waid and Kitson's series exams this  |
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Post by chadwilliam on Aug 9, 2023 21:54:23 GMT -5
Oh, and Kraven's Last Hunt. Sure, between him and Spider-Man only one survives the storyline, but even Kraven points out something along the lines of, "I caught you, shot you, buried you, and became you. Killing you was unnecessary".
Also, Luthor wrapping his hands around Superman's neck in front of a stadium full of cheering spectators and then deciding the throw the fight in Superman #164 covers similar grounds. Yes, he goes to prison at the end, but he gets an entire planet out of the deal.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 10, 2023 4:33:43 GMT -5
Bane breaking Batman's back is a definite win. 
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 10, 2023 5:22:59 GMT -5
X-Men #210. The X-Men are trashed by an upstart new gang of villains called the Marauders. Colossus, Nightcrawler and Kitty Pryde are hurt so badly that they're off the book, and in a tie-in comic (in X-Factor, but I forget the issue #) Angel is injured so grievously that his wings have to be amputated. Also, this severe defeat would not be negated by a second, victorious round three issues down the line; it changed the status quo for good.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 10, 2023 8:10:01 GMT -5
Sorry UBerBat fans, Deathstroke destroys Batman in a one on one.   |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 10, 2023 21:16:51 GMT -5
X-Men #210. The X-Men are trashed by an upstart new gang of villains called the Marauders. Colossus, Nightcrawler and Kitty Pryde are hurt so badly that they're off the book, and in a tie-in comic (in X-Factor, but I forget the issue #) Angel is injured so grievously that his wings have to be amputated. Also, this severe defeat would not be negated by a second, victorious round three issues down the line; it changed the status quo for good. The X-Men lost most of the time in the first few years of their existence... usually random happenstance ended the battles or the bad guys left for reasons not related to being defeated. |
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2023 22:59:20 GMT -5
The first Thor vs Mangog was a big one for me as a kid, with Mangog defeating not only Thor but the entire armed forces of Asgard in a running battle that takes place over 4 issues. It was undermined by Odin saving the day too easily at the end but up to that point there was an overwhelming atmosphere of defeat and tragedy, quite stark and impressive to me as a young reader. I can't think of anything else in superhero comics that quite matches it - perhaps Dr. Strange vs Dormammu (or rather his forces and minions), again up to the anticlimactic ending that completely undermined the atmosphere that had been built up so effectively until then.
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