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Post by sabongero on Jun 4, 2016 7:30:08 GMT -5
For the first time in a few years, I bought my first recent comic book. By recent I would say it either came out this week, or last week, or last month, etc. I enjoyed reading Superman Rebirth #1. There isn't much action with the exception of the Flashback of pre New52 Superman's recollection of his battle with Doomsday and the finale of that battle that ultimately "killed" him. The best part is the almost full length small talk interaction between pre New52 Superman and New52 Lana Lang. You can feel the genuine empathy from that Superman, and that Lana's emotion, especially at the end comes through as realistic. I loved pre New52 Superman's reaction when he saw his "parents" being honored by New52 Superman at the Fortress of Solitude.
I always first and foremost loved the storytelling aspect of comic books. The small talk interaction of characters is always great as it makes them come out as people. It's not for everyone. Don't get me wrong, I love those Action-oriented Slam Bang Action Slugfest too. But they can only go so far to hold our attention if it happens over and over.
I thoroughly enjoyed this issue that I am now curious and will purchase Batman Rebirth #1, Green Lanterns Rebirth #1, and Green Arrow Rebirth #1.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 18:55:12 GMT -5
Nice Was thinking about this story not long ago but forgot exactly what issue it was. I'm reading issue #9 as we speak. I'll post a review some time this weekend.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 16:29:17 GMT -5
I would like to dare say, would anyone here consider the "One More Day" storyarc in the Amazing Spider-Man, an Editorial Sabotage of some sorts. I mean here is Peter Parker making a deal with the character that is the embodiment of Satan himself to wipe away his marriage in order to save his Aunt's life. I know it is polarizing. But I'd appreciate your input on this one. Thanks. I do consider it sabotage, but at least in that case Editorial didn't walk over the work of the current creative team. So like "Sins past", it can also be considered "only" a very, very bad idea. (Although I believe Sins past did go against the writer's wishes, as he wanted Gwen's kids to be also Peter's children... something that made far more sense, considering we had access to Gwen's thought balloons during her alleged affair with Osborn). I remember reading it online as well that JMS had it planned out as Gwen and Peter's children and was already written out that way. But then editorial at the eleventh hour decided they wanted to change it as they did not want Peter to be a father as it would age the character. A very contradicting JMS then had no ulterior action as time was crunching the schedule and suddenly shifter gears and Gwen's character had to be unfortunately, assassinated due to the editorial mandate. I think soon after, JMS left Marvel and was doing Brave and the Bold for DC afterwards if I am not mistaken.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 15:45:32 GMT -5
Punisher #8“The Ghost of Wall Street” 1.00 U.S. Dollar @ May 1988 (Cover Page and 22 net pages) Writer: Mike Baron Penciler: Whilce Portacio Inker: Scott Williams Letterer: Tom Orzachowski Colorist: John Wellington Editor: Carl Potts Lose His Shirt: Tom DeFalco Notable Quote(s): “Wall Street. A granite fief. Monument to the robber barons. They steal behind closed doors – bloodless crimes – but there’s blood down the road. The blood of little people caught in the gears of high finance – secret deals.” “I began my job when my family was caught in a cross-fire between two rival mobs in Central Park. We had been picnicking. At first, I went after organized crime figures. Exclusively. Since then, I have broadened my sights.” Synopsis: The Punisher is reading the Wall Street Journal newspaper and was taking into account Hanset, which is the Billionaire Boys’ Club. He pays particular interest to two billionaires. Arnold Ansen who inherited the company from his father at the age of 24, and then his father fell off a cliff in Wyoming. And Arnold’s friend, Roky Vance who acquired his seat on the NY Stock Exchange at the age of 26. The Punisher theorizes the problem which is insider trading. Arnold feeds the information to Roky, and the whole Billionaire Boys’ Club benefits with the cash influx. The two men were boys, but the rest of the club were shadow-men stretching from the East. He dressed up and put a facial disguise and headed toward Wall Street, the financial district in lower Manhattan to see the two billionaires. Before entering the premises he wanted to infiltrate, Frank handed some money to a homeless beggar outside the building, and the beggar turned out to be a Punisher informant and proceeded to give a disguised Frank Castle the rundown of the players in this story. Frank along with Microchip's son, Quentin, followed some of the men as they left the city. Later that night, the Punisher scouted the men who are now located in a building across the cemetery. With infrared scoping equipment he tried to read their lips, but he couldn't decipher Japanese. He was suddenly grabbed from behind by one of the behemoth guards who was patrolling the area, and a fight ensued. The behemoth guard who took the Punisher by surprise has him down, when he was stunned by Quentin, who was then whacked by the behemoth guard. The distraction was long enough for the Punisher to take down the behemoth guard. The Punisher carried Quentin back to the van and proceeded to drive back to the city to get Quentin some medical attention. The next day, disguised in businessman's suit attire, Frank made his way to Wall Street and was getting some updated information from the beggar as he was walking in the street. Frank handed his beggar informant two thousand dollars and a revolver, and to get cleaned up. The beggar also asked Frank to see what he can find out about a slasher killing beggars in the area. Meanwhile atop Praxdorf Headquarters in a skyscraper in Manhattan, the billionaire racketeers are doing insider trading disguised as a corporate buyout. One of the young billionaire racketeers came in with the behemoth bodyguard Frank tangled with earlier. He did a quick chatter with the group and left immediately with his behemoth bodyguard to do a "personal errand." Outside the building in the skid row area where the homeless as located in an alley, Frank disguised as a beggar is assaulted by four punkrocker looking goons. The Punisher sheds his disguise and takes out two of the three goons and through a nightstick toward the final goon who was running for his life. He took one of them and interrogated him if they were the skid row Slashers responsible for the killings of homeless beggars in the area. He replied no, and the Punisher believed him. In another part of the city in a corner of an alley, the Punisher's beggar informant took out the revolver he received from the Punisher, and pointed it towards the young billionaire racketeer who did a "personal errand" with his behemoth bodyguard. He was wielding a knife. The behemoth bodyguard surprised the armed beggar from behind and crushed the beggar's head, thus making him drop the gun. On the ground a panickstricken beggar realized the young billionaire racketeer was going to slash him with the knife. Comments: The price went up to $ 1.00 U.S. Dollar per comic book on this issue. I am sure it still did not lose customers at the time, as the Punisher was sizzling hot in those days. An interesting tidbit is the titles Tom DeFalco would sometimes give himself as Editor in Chief. In this issue, his title was "Lose His Shirt." Again the story is centered on social commentary. That's what was great about Mike Baron's stories. They were relevant aside from having a good coherent story. This time it's about the blatant abuse of billionaires in Wall Street, and being the Slasher serial killer is just a metaphor on how their nonsense is killing the ordinary people with their white collar abuse. Whilce Portacio's art looked amazing here. His details of the NYC is fantastic, and really capturing the essence of the skylines and showcasing the metropolitan business capital of the world. We get to see some humanizing factor in the Punisher here when he brought Microchip's son back to the city for medical treatment. I liked this version of the Punisher as opposed to Garth Ennis's version of the over the top viciousness in his book.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 15:27:50 GMT -5
Backreading in this thread can give me a migraine in regards to the editorial mandate on certain runs and storylines. My favorite time period in the Avengers was the Uncle Rog era or Roger Stern. And this is the first time I read about the sad thing that happened to Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau. I didn't know that was Gruenwald's mandate to have her written off. Captain Marvel grew on me as a character at the time. I liked that she was always written realistically with fears and doubts as a superhero.
I would like to dare say, would anyone here consider the "One More Day" storyarc in the Amazing Spider-Man, an Editorial Sabotage of some sorts. I mean here is Peter Parker making a deal with the character that is the embodiment of Satan himself to wipe away his marriage in order to save his Aunt's life. I know it is polarizing. But I'd appreciate your input on this one. Thanks.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 3, 2016 0:03:25 GMT -5
I remember reading the Barry Allen Flash back in the early to just before mid 80's but don't remember the stories. I am familiar with the Wally West from the Justice League/Justice League Unlimited animated series. Unfortunately for me, that particular character of the Flash, is my favorite. At the same time, I read the Geoff Johns Flash run from the beginning of the century, and I loved the Wally West/Flash stories he wrote all the way to the Infinite Crisis era.
Thanks for this thread String. This is the second thread I have read on Wally West/Flash and I am more interested now in reading his early run as The Flash from the mid 80's and 90's stories.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 2, 2016 21:56:41 GMT -5
Turning Cassandra Cain into the head of the League of Assassins (and making her weirdly articulate at the same time). Backlash against this total derailment of her character and abandonment of years of character development was so severe, DC was forced to do a story rectonning this as a result of drugs and brainwashing (although this still not does not explain how she suddenly acquired full fluency in spoken English). Ah I found a post that crossed my mind today. The One Year Later editorial decision on the then Batgirl, Cassandra Cain, into a villain. Thanks for posting Foxley. This was indeed a super editorial sabotage on the character. It took her many issues to be able to verbally put together words in a coherent sentence, and the OYL CC Character has her speaking as if it was a different person, and very coherent as well. Perhaps I could have accepted it, if Editorial did a few flashback issues showcasing her in a "Fourth Wall" retconning like Grant Morrison did with Animal Man. Then you can have the DC head writer disguised as an alien breaking down the character and revisualizing the said character's life. And you know what, I still would have hated it. What a waste of character building on this character.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 2, 2016 21:41:27 GMT -5
Congratulations to all the winners. And also to all the nominees. This was fun and now I'm looking forward to reading more threads for the rest of the year and to take in all the very informative posts.
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Post by sabongero on Jun 2, 2016 21:35:24 GMT -5
Holy smokes! It's been busy at the office since I came back from vacation, and I created this thread a few days ago. And I had some free time and thought, I'd post. Lo and behold we are up to page 6 here. I'm going to have to do some back reading first just in case if someone already posted what I was going to post, that way I can reply on that poster's quote.
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Post by sabongero on May 27, 2016 8:12:04 GMT -5
As comic book readers, we have read many comic book stories in our lifetimes. They may be from DC, Marvel, Image, and other Independents or Imprints Publications. Then we come across certain stories that we cannot believe got "green-lighted" by the Publisher's Editor(s). These are stories that are considered to be EDITORIAL SABOTAGE type of stories. These are stories that damage or destroy beloved characters, which upon reading, leaves us banging our heads on the wall or staring blankly at the comic book with our jaws dropped and shaking our heads and not believing they did such a thing to that character.
This thread is about members sharing what they consider to be EDITORIAL SABOTAGE stories they have read in various comic books.
Let me start and share the first one. I am sure there are many, both classic stories, and new modern stories. The one story that really left me disturbed is a story from the Amazing Spider-Man in the early years of this century titled, "Sins Past." This was written by J. Michael Straczynski. Originally, the children were supposed to be Peter Parker's, but due to Marvel's Editors not wanting to age the Amazing Spider-Man, this was changed to be Norman Osborn's who secretly had a relationship with Gwen Stacy and fathered the children, thus forever sabotaging that beloved character. I am sure there are a lot of other stories there, but this one is kind of hard to swallow as many longtime Spider-Man readers considered the late Gwen Stacy to be "everyone's" girlfriend when they read those early first ten years of Amazing Spider-Man. This comes across as almost unforgivable to many Amazing Spider-Man readers.
Please feel free to post and share stories/storyarcs you consider to be EDITORIAL SABOTAGES. Thanks.
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Post by sabongero on May 26, 2016 12:33:48 GMT -5
Voting for these awards is hard, because there aren't any unworthy nominees. I'm so grateful this awesome community exists and am thankful that we are blessed with so many great members who bring their own unique perspectives and abilities to the table. I just finished voting. My first time on the forum. I definitely agree. I could vote for like three to five members on some of the lists. This is definitely one of the best forums about comic books. No hidden agendas or flaming.
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Post by sabongero on May 25, 2016 16:09:57 GMT -5
Wow! We have this kind of Voting Awards in this forum. FANTASTIC! I was on vacation for the last 5 weeks so I have been on hiatus and was on an island where there was no wi-fi or even electronics availability. I'm glad to be back here in time for voting, and posting once again. This is so hard, I mean I wish I can vote for all the veterans here. There's so many great discussions and posted information by many of you. Good luck to all.
FYI. Thanks Shaxper. I didn't even know I was on this list.
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Post by sabongero on May 10, 2016 13:26:21 GMT -5
This was one of the hottest comic books when it came out all the way back in 1984. Robots in disguise, it's been happening in Japan for a while, but was very new in the USA. The four issue limited series became an ongoing series. And the cartoons was well underway, until that editorial sabotage that is called Transformers The Movie of 1986 where they killed off Optimus Prime. It caused such an uproar that they had to retcon and bring back Optimus Prime a year and a half later in the cartoons again.
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Post by sabongero on May 9, 2016 13:50:04 GMT -5
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Post by sabongero on May 6, 2016 15:58:08 GMT -5
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