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Post by fanboystranger on Feb 2, 2015 12:11:15 GMT -5
Was it forgotten? Or was Johnny fulfilling some Targaryenesque fantasies? Is C&C really Mark Millar? Whodathunk! Wasn't that one of the controversial bits of Millar's MK version of FF, or was that another writer? I confuse the things I avoid like the plague at times.... -M Grant Morrison mentioned it in an interview before the publication of FF: 1234, but it never really informed that comic. Grant used to say crazy stuff like that all the time to get attention. I'm not sure if Millar ever did anything with it-- gave up on both his regular and Ultimate FF runs early on-- but it wouldn't be the first time he took an idea from Morrison and ran with it.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 2, 2015 12:23:46 GMT -5
Millar never did anything with it (in FF nor in UFF. I wanted to say that he hardly wrote UFF, but apparently he did quite a bit more of it than I can remember.). He did do the Ultimate Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch relationship, but even there he refrained from making that full on text rather than a possible interpretation of events. It was Loeb who did the full on text there.
Completely unrelated (but kinda influenced by Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch mention): Why are twins in comics nearly always polyzygotic Male/Female? (I know this combo is the most common in real life, but of the big characters who are twins, I can't think of any other combo.)
When it comes to tripets and more in comics though; they usually are monozygotic again, even though that's even rarer.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 2, 2015 12:25:14 GMT -5
Probably just so the artist doesn't have to draw the same character twice!
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 2, 2015 12:30:04 GMT -5
Yeha, but just wait till a character dies, then his longlost identical twin will show up again (usually in the casket).
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Post by badwolf on Feb 2, 2015 12:33:44 GMT -5
That's because the artist doesn't want to stop drawing him!
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Post by fanboystranger on Feb 2, 2015 14:49:58 GMT -5
Completely unrelated (but kinda influenced by Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch mention): Why are twins in comics nearly always polyzygotic Male/Female? (I know this combo is the most common in real life, but of the big characters who are twins, I can't think of any other combo.) I'm guessing someone thought readers would get confused by two identical characters, even though it's very easy to depict them wearing different clothing, etc. There's a lot of those weird editorial rules that don't really stand up to scrutiny, but for some reason, they were treated as gospel by editors, especially in the Silver Age.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 14:55:20 GMT -5
Completely unrelated (but kinda influenced by Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch mention): Why are twins in comics nearly always polyzygotic Male/Female? (I know this combo is the most common in real life, but of the big characters who are twins, I can't think of any other combo.) I'm guessing someone thought readers would get confused by two identical characters, even though it's very easy to depict them wearing different clothing, etc. There's a lot of those weird editorial rules that don't really stand up to scrutiny, but for some reason, they were treated as gospel by editors, especially in the Silver Age. Didn't stop some artists making unrelated characters identical twins when they didn't have their masks/costumes on (John Romita Jr.'s Peter Parker and Piotr Rasputin may have been separated at birth for example... or any number of artists with Clint Barton and Steve Rogers during the 60s Avengers issues) -M
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Post by The Captain on Feb 2, 2015 14:59:49 GMT -5
I'm guessing someone thought readers would get confused by two identical characters, even though it's very easy to depict them wearing different clothing, etc. There's a lot of those weird editorial rules that don't really stand up to scrutiny, but for some reason, they were treated as gospel by editors, especially in the Silver Age. Didn't stop some artists making unrelated characters identical twins when they didn't have their masks/costumes on (John Romita Jr.'s Peter Parker and Piotr Rasputin may have been separated at birth for example... or any number of artists with Clint Barton and Steve Rogers during the 60s Avengers issues) -M Or every woman ever drawn by Greg Land.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 2, 2015 18:17:09 GMT -5
Didn't stop some artists making unrelated characters identical twins when they didn't have their masks/costumes on (John Romita Jr.'s Peter Parker and Piotr Rasputin may have been separated at birth for example... or any number of artists with Clint Barton and Steve Rogers during the 60s Avengers issues) -M Or every woman ever drawn by Greg Land. You mean traced right?
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Post by fanboystranger on Feb 2, 2015 18:19:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing someone thought readers would get confused by two identical characters, even though it's very easy to depict them wearing different clothing, etc. There's a lot of those weird editorial rules that don't really stand up to scrutiny, but for some reason, they were treated as gospel by editors, especially in the Silver Age. Didn't stop some artists making unrelated characters identical twins when they didn't have their masks/costumes on (John Romita Jr.'s Peter Parker and Piotr Rasputin may have been separated at birth for example... or any number of artists with Clint Barton and Steve Rogers during the 60s Avengers issues) -M With JR, Jr, I'd say that's more a quirk in his art, and it wasn't like they were frequently appearing in the same book.
Yeah, that Steve Rogers/Clint Barton thing irks a bit, but mostly because they're both generic blonde Caucasian men.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2015 18:22:22 GMT -5
The first time some corporate comic book policies irked me was back in the very early 1970s and were comitted by Marvel.
All of a sudden, the 2 centerspread pages of comics in all their books became half-pages each. Gone would be the opportunity for huge full blown centerspread images, a trademark for folks like Jack Kirby. And marvel still insisted you were getting 20 pages of comics
Sometime before or after that move, Stan Lee announced in his Bullpen Bulletin page that letters to the editor will no longer have replies. He claimed he was too busy writing the stories. Of course, by this time, most replies were actually written by assistant editors. This policy held for about 1/2 year
At the same time it was announced by Stan that, with some exceptions, all stories would be done-in-one. Stan said there were too many complaints about continued stories. Since comics were still "dense" reads, I never felt cheated if a story ended on a cliffhanger. I feared a policy like that could adversely affect some stories.
I remember all 3 changes occurring pretty close together and which prompted my first angry letter to Marvel. Which of course would never be printed or answered. These policies pale in comparason to what goes on nowadays
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 2, 2015 18:24:37 GMT -5
I'm guessing someone thought readers would get confused by two identical characters, even though it's very easy to depict them wearing different clothing, etc. There's a lot of those weird editorial rules that don't really stand up to scrutiny, but for some reason, they were treated as gospel by editors, especially in the Silver Age. Didn't stop some artists making unrelated characters identical twins when they didn't have their masks/costumes on (John Romita Jr.'s Peter Parker and Piotr Rasputin may have been separated at birth for example... or any number of artists with Clint Barton and Steve Rogers during the 60s Avengers issues) -M I really need to have that scan of John Byrne's Aryan Avengers on quick link for this board.
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Post by Paradox on Feb 4, 2015 15:48:57 GMT -5
The only "same sex" twins I can even think of were Thunder and Lightning, "sort of villains" from New Teen Titans.
Edit: I take that back, I also remember the Trigger Twins!
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Post by berkley on Feb 4, 2015 16:32:13 GMT -5
Were Hawk and Dove twins or just brothers? And how about the Blood Brothers, speaking of villains?
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Post by berkley on Feb 4, 2015 16:35:07 GMT -5
The first time some corporate comic book policies irked me was back in the very early 1970s and were comitted by Marvel. All of a sudden, the 2 centerspread pages of comics in all their books became half-pages each. Gone would be the opportunity for huge full blown centerspread images, a trademark for folks like Jack Kirby. And marvel still insisted you were getting 20 pages of comics Sometime before or after that move, Stan Lee announced in his Bullpen Bulletin page that letters to the editor will no longer have replies. He claimed he was too busy writing the stories. Of course, by this time, most replies were actually written by assistant editors. This policy held for about 1/2 year At the same time it was announced by Stan that, with some exceptions, all stories would be done-in-one. Stan said there were too many complaints about continued stories. Since comics were still "dense" reads, I never felt cheated if a story ended on a cliffhanger. I feared a policy like that could adversely affect some stories. I remember all 3 changes occurring pretty close together and which prompted my first angry letter to Marvel. Which of course would never be printed or answered. These policies pale in comparason to what goes on nowadays b I really hated the half-pages with ads. I didn't notice the letters pages as much until I was a little older.
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