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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 2, 2024 15:47:28 GMT -5
Uh, very stupid and unrelated question: how much time passed from the death of Luke's adoptive parents to when the Millenium Falcon was captured? On another forum we had a discussion about how much of the Way of the Jedi Obi-Wan taught Luke when the former was still alive and I have the impression that the total duration of the Jedi 101 course was about 15 minutes, including the bathroom breaks... Sounds about right, especially considering that the entire training of Luke by Yoda took the same time as a flight from Hoth to Bespin, with a short stop inside the belly of big worm! I think we badly need some Interstellar-type black holes somewhere to make these timelines make sense!  |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 15:47:57 GMT -5
A criticism I've noticed some make of the prequels is how fast hyperspace travel is depicted, with travel between Tatooine and Coruscant being equivalent to a half-hour drive into town, but this has been an issue with Star Wars since the beginning. Yeah, traveling through hyperspace has always been depicted like that, right from the very first time it was shown (the journey from Tatooine to Alderaan in Episode IV). how much time passed from the death of Luke's adoptive parents to when the Millenium Falcon was captured It's impossible to say for certain, but it can't have been long -- a couple of days, at most, I'd say. Possibly only a few hours! Obi-Wan Kenobi was already very keen to get off of Tatooine quickly and deliver the Death Star plans that R2-D2 was carrying to Alderaan by the time Luke discovered his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru had been murdered by stormtroopers. So, after they finished burning the bodies of the dead Jawas, the trip to Mos Eisley would have been the following the day at the latest. Maybe even later the same day? Luke and Kenobi found a pilot to take them to Alderaan in the Mos Eisley cantina very quickly -- Kenobi was chatting to Chewbacca almost as soon as he reached the bar, after all. Selling Luke's landspeeder and arriving at docking bay 94 probably only took them a few hours at most. Then, in the scene where Kenobi is training Luke in the Millennium Falcon's lounge, it's clear that when Han arrives that he has come directly from the cockpit where we last saw him. We can tell this because he says, "Well, you can forget your troubles with those Imperial slugs. I told you I'd outrun 'em" (clearly referring to when he made the jump to hyperspace to escape the Imperial Star Destroyers). Obviously, Luke, Kenobi and Chewbacca had left the cockpit before Solo and gone into the lounge area (maybe Solo was keeping an eye on the Falcon's systems or monitoring whether the Star Destroyers were following them through hyperspace?). Regardless, Han had clearly stayed in the cockpit for a little while -- long enough for Chewbacca and R2 to begin a game of holo-chess and for Kenobi to start training Luke. The amount of time that Han was with the other's in the Falcon's lounge is as long as it takes the scene to play in the film because at the end of the scene an alarm sounds to notify them that they're "coming up on Alderaan." They then all go to the cockpit, Han cuts the sub-light engines, and they arrive at what is left of Alderaan. They then encounter the stray TIE Fighter almost immediately and follow it to the "small moon", which obviously turns out to be the Death Star, resulting in the Falcon being captured. So, the trip through hyperspace from Tatooine to Alderaan can't have taken more than a couple of hours (and that's only if Han stayed on his own in the cockpit for an hour or more). Likely, it was under an hour! So yeah, it's impossible to narrow it down any more precisely, but the time from Luke discovering his dead Aunt and Uncle to the Falcon being captured by the Death Star could only have been a couple of days at most and maybe only 6 or so hours at the shortest. |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 15:52:29 GMT -5
Uh, very stupid and unrelated question: how much time passed from the death of Luke's adoptive parents to when the Millenium Falcon was captured? On another forum we had a discussion about how much of the Way of the Jedi Obi-Wan taught Luke when the former was still alive and I have the impression that the total duration of the Jedi 101 course was about 15 minutes, including the bathroom breaks... Sounds about right, especially considering that the entire training of Luke by Yoda took the same time as a flight from Hoth to Bespin, with a short stop inside the belly of big worm! I think we badly need some Interstellar-type black holes somewhere to make these timelines make sense! There was no use of hyperspace travel in the journey from Hoth to Bespin though (it was broken, remember?). So, it would've taken a loooong time to get there. Plus, there's no way of telling exactly how long the Falcon was hidden in the asteroid cavern/space slug belly -- it could've been a week! Two weeks, maybe! So there was potentially a lot more time than you might at first think for Yoda to train Luke on Dagobah. EDIT: In my headcanon, it took the Falcon about a month to travel from Hoth to Bespin. |
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Post by zaku on Jan 2, 2024 16:37:11 GMT -5
I'm realizing now that the original trilogy didn't do a good job of clearly conveying the passage of time...
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Post by Confessor on Jan 2, 2024 16:43:10 GMT -5
I'm realizing now that the original trilogy didn't do a good job of clearly conveying the passage of time... I suspect that if you look at most films they don't do a very good job of accurately conveying the passage of time. Filmmakers are far more concerned with the business of telling a good story on film, naturally. The difference with Star Wars is that it attracts nerds like us who examine the tiniest minutiae of the story, whereas the vast majority of other films don't attract that level of scrutiny. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 2, 2024 16:53:41 GMT -5
Sounds about right, especially considering that the entire training of Luke by Yoda took the same time as a flight from Hoth to Bespin, with a short stop inside the belly of big worm! I think we badly need some Interstellar-type black holes somewhere to make these timelines make sense! There was no use of hyperspace travel in the journey from Hoth to Bespin though (it was broken, remember?). ...Which is another problem in and of itself. Unless Bespin was in the same system as Hoth, there is no way it could have been reached with no hyperdrive. (That distance problem was also present in The Force Awakens, in which people could actually see Starkiller base destroy several planets presumably located umpteen light years away. Heck, witnesses could even see the power beams traveling! Hollywood needs to ask physicists how things work). Although I figured it was more like just a few days, I guess we can allow relativistic effects to push it to a month (if the Falcon was traveling at near light speed)... which still strikes me as a pretty short time for a Jedi 101 course. I guess if you've got enough midi-chlorians (ugh!!!) you don't need that much training!  |
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 3, 2024 1:41:41 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with Irvin Kershner:  |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 3, 2024 9:51:43 GMT -5
I've gotta agree with Irvin Kershner: I agree. Star Wars was never science fiction. It's Space Fantasy, pure and simple. |
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 3, 2024 17:24:09 GMT -5
Took me a while to get onboard that train of thought. Not too long ago, I was balking at the lack of 3D space flight and the use of manned fighters in a setting where strong AI exists.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 14, 2024 21:03:13 GMT -5
Marvel just keeps teasing... So the recent 'Star Wars: revelations' book was a one shot meant to preview what's going on in all the books for 2024...it had a bunch of short stories setting up each, and a little extra one. It shows a guy that owes Jabba ALOT of money... and convinces him he can work it off by doing 'important work' (basically all the stuff no one else is willing to do). That guy is..... Rik Duel. At the end Bib Fortuna takes him to a room to tell him about his next assignment where Dani and Chihndo are waiting. Could it be a book featuring whatever they were doing to get put in carbonite by the Mandolorian be coming up...  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jan 28, 2024 1:49:03 GMT -5
I' never heard of Pizazz before this forum (before my time)... what was it exactly? You say 'teen magazine', but, with comics? Or just Star Wars? Browsing the thread, but I can answer a bit. In the late 70s, there were a few magazines done for teens and pre-teens, with pop culture articles and other material.. One was Dynamite, which was put out by Scholastic Books and made available through their school book order form. It was edited by Jenette Kahn and one of her stepping stones to becoming DC's publisher. It also featured some Batman comic strips. Pizzazz was Marvel's attempt to copy its success for itself, though it was less successful in penetrating schools. The real gateway drug for Star Wars, though, was Starlog. It debuted while the film was being made and had very early references to it; and, aside from numerous Star Trek articles, was one of the main reasons to buy the magazine, for most of its first decade of publication. It was also one of the key sources for pointing out contradictions in what George Lucas said in later years, vs what he said when the films were being made. |
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