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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 23, 2015 11:25:25 GMT -5
I'm finally back into the Star Wars comics! Hooray!!! I guess I enjoyed #18 and 19 more than you did. I agree with all of your art comments (Infantino is definitely not my first choice, plus his Chewie looks bad, though Wiacek's inks are a definite improvement) but I really enjoy the writing enough, plus I guess I'm getting a little use to the art, though it's a shame we couldn't have gotten somebody like Dave Cockrum. Anyway, I think the pace and action are fast, just like in the movie, and I love the banter between Han & Leia (the droids too). It really feels like Star Wars to me. I don't think Infantino's artwork is bad, per se, because his storytelling and panel composition is always superb. Plus, I totally agree that you get used to it after a while and if, like me, you read these issues as a kid, his artwork conjures a cozy nostalgia as an adult. But there can be no excuse for his seemingly willful disregard for accuracy in depicting the ships and characters from the movie. Infantino definitely would've had lots of reference photos to work with, so I can only conclude that he had no desire to draw these comics accurately, which is a shame. As for the writing, I think Goodwin's characterisation of the core cast is pretty good in these early issues of The Wheel saga, but it's only as the tale draws to a close that he really hits his stride; issues #21-23 are really pretty good from a writing perspective.Well, I am looking forward to those issues then!
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Post by Confessor on Apr 28, 2015 13:29:59 GMT -5
Star Wars Weekly #99Cover dated: January 16th, 1980 Issue title: Empire Kills! ( The Day After the Death Star!, Part 3) Script: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Gene Day (inks) Tones: Howard Bender Letters: Irving Watanabe Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 5 out of 10 Plot summary: Scrambling from his crashed X-wing fighter, Luke comes under fire from the Imperial TIE fighter pilot he earlier engaged in a dogfight above the jungles of Yavin 4 and brought down. Climbing into a tree, Luke ambushes his enemy as he gets close and after a fierce hand-to-hand fight, he eventually bests his foe. As he prepares to bludgeon the unconscious TIE fighter pilot to death with a heavy branch, Luke catches sight of his enemy's face for the first time. He realises that his foe is a young man, much the same age as himself, and is fighting for the side that he believes in, just as Luke himself is. Realising for the first time that the Empire's warriors are living, breathing people – not just armour and starships – Luke decides that he would be no better than the Imperials he hates if he killed the young pilot. Comments: The final part of "The Day After the Death Star" is by far the best of the three, with Archie Goodwin giving us an action packed and fairly thought-provoking climax to the story. Luke's realisation that the enemy isn't so very different from himself is quite an interesting development and a fairly heavy concept for Goodwin to put across in, what is after all, a kid's comic. Plus, the way that it's all written, Luke's epiphany seems to be very in character. Goodwin also gives us plenty of knock-down, drag-out fight action between Luke and the TIE fighter pilot here, no doubt to balance the heavier, philosophical aspects of his story. At one point, Luke and the Imperial tumble into a lake and the fight continues underwater, until Luke, having bested his enemy, swims upwards from the lake floor, dragging the limp body of his opponent with him. However, this is problematic from a continuity point of view because Goodwin had already established in issue #15 of the regular U.S. series that, within the Marvel continuity, Luke was unable to swim. Since this story is set the day after the Death Star was destroyed it directly contradicts Star Wars #15, which is set some time after the events of this issue. The Carmine Infantino and Gene Day artwork is of much the same standard as the previous two instalments, with the underwater panels where Luke is wrestling with the Imperial pilot being particularly well executed. However, it's a pity that Infantino depicts the pilot's flight helmet as open faced, much like the Rebel X-wing pilot's, when it should be closed like a stormtrooper's helmet. In fact, the pilot's entire flight suit is very inaccurately rendered. Of course, if you've been reading my reviews, you'll know that this is exactly the sort of lack of accuracy that Infantino brings to Marvel's Star Wars comics time and again. While I'm talking about the artwork, I should also note that Marie Severin's excellent colouring in the reprint of this story from Marvel Illustrated Books: Star Wars #1 makes that version the preferable one to track down, in my opinion. Continuity issues: - Luke is seen swimming in a lake, but we learned in issue #15 of the regular Star Wars series (which is set after the events of this comic) that he cannot swim.
- The Imperial TIE fighter pilot's flight suit is inaccurate and his helmet is open faced, when it should be closed faced like a stormtrooper's.
Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "You Imperials know all about killing! You and your kind did in Aunt Beru, Uncle Owen and Ben! Well, I'll show you I know all about it, too!" – Luke Skywalker vows vengeance on his vanquished Imperial foe.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 30, 2015 10:12:38 GMT -5
Star Wars #31Cover dated: January 1980 Issue title: Return to Tatooine!Script: Archie Goodwin Artwork: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Colours: Carl Gafford Letters: Jim Novak Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 8 out of 10 Plot summary: Luke Skywalker has returned to his homeworld of Tatooine on a mission to recruit blockade runner pilots to aid in the evacuation of the Rebel Alliance's base on Yavin 4. On his way to Mos Eisley spaceport with the droids R2-D2 and C-3PO, Luke runs into his old friends Fixer and Camie. They inform him that the House of Tagge is buying all the moisture farms in the area, including the one that Luke grew up on. Luke stumbles upon clues that point towards a secret plan by the House of Tagge and the Empire, although the exact nature of the scheme isn't clear. Later, in Mos Eisley, Luke reunites with Han Solo and Chewbacca in the same cantina where he had originally met the Corellian smuggler and his Wookiee co-pilot. A guilt-ridden Fixer suddenly arrives to warn Luke that he has informed the Empire of the young Rebel's whereabouts, but before Luke can berate his old friend, a squad of Imperial stormtroopers enter the cantina and a fire fight ensues. Luke, Han, Chewbacca and the droids make their escape in a landspeeder, but, unknown to them, the speeder has been damaged by a stray laser bolt and is leaking coolant. Comments: This is the first part of the Omega Frost story arc, which runs through issues #31-34. I really love this arc a lot, partially because of my own nostalgic memories of reading it as a kid, but mostly because these are just some really good Star Wars comics. I think the coolest thing about this issue is seeing Luke Skywalker back on his home planet after everything that had happened to him since he left – and remember, this comic was published over three years before Luke returned to Tatooine in Return of the Jedi. Interestingly, at around the same time as this comic was on the shelves, artist and writer Russ Manning also had Luke returning to Tatooine in the "Tatooine Sojourn" storyline from the Star Wars newspaper strip. Archie Goodwin's writing is really on form in this issue, with a number of great character moments and some nice mining of Star Wars continuity to excellent effect. For example, one of this issue's most fascinating moments comes when Luke returns to the burnt out shell of the Lars' moisture farm, where he grew up, and runs into his old friends Fixer and Camie. Goodwin shows us that Luke still feels the pain and loss of his Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru's death acutely, while he also casually drops in little references to Luke's deceased childhood friend Biggs Darklighter. Camie's reaction to Luke is very well written too: she still refers to him by his old nickname of "wormie", but is forced to admit that he seems more mature and carries himself in a more confident manner than when she last saw him. For his part, Luke realises that he's changed as well and, as a result, he no longer has much in common with these people who he once called friends. There's also a neat moment where Goodwin reveals that the locals from around Anchorhead had been told by the Empire that it was Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) that killed Luke's aunt and uncle. As an Imperial cover story, this is a good one and it makes perfect sense because that's exactly what the Imperials did with the Jawa Sandcrawler they destroyed at around the same time, as seen in the Star Wars movie. All in all, this comic features some of the best character writing we've seen in the series so far. Goodwin also takes the opportunity to reunite Luke with Han Solo and Chewbacca, who we last saw getting the best of Jabba the Hutt in issue #28. I love that we get to see Han and Chewie back in the Mos Eisley cantina where they first met Luke and Obi-Wan Kenobi. While it may seem a little contrived that they would just happen to be sat in the exact same cantina, it actually makes sense that the pair would return to Tatooine, given that Jabba (who was a passenger on board the Millenium Falcon at the end of issue #28) uses the planet as his base of operations. Additionally, we know from what Obi-Wan said in Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope that the cantina in question was a popular haunt with smugglers, so it's really not so far fetched. Baron Orman Tagge makes another appearance in this issue and we learn that, in addition to his vendetta against Darth Vader, he is now hell bent on getting revenge on Luke Skywalker for thwarting his plans and destroying the House of Tagge's turbine station in issue #26. We also meet Orman's brothers Ulric and Silas for the first time. Ulric is an Imperial officer (just like Cassio Tagge, who we saw in A New Hope), while Silas is the House of Tagge's chief scientist. The artwork in issue #31 is of much the same standard that we've come to expect from Carmine Infantino, with all his signature hard-angled tendencies present and accounted for. For some reason, Infantino also chooses to draw Luke and Han brandishing ridiculously long-barrelled blaster pistols in this issue and the next (you can see one on the front cover of this issue). I've no idea why this should be, but these weirdly elongated blasters really used to bug the hell out of me as a kid. We also get some more of Infantino's ungainly or awkward body poses that I've made mention of before. In particular, the panel in which Luke disarms Fixer with his lightsaber has the young Rebel's arm twisted at a quite unnatural and painful looking angle... Still, as ever, Infantino's art does a wonderful job of conveying both the action and more character-driven moments of Goodwin's script. There's also some wonderfully detailed backgrounds in this comic (although the above panel isn't really a good example of that). But perhaps the biggest news on the art front is that at last, after eighteen issues on the series, Infantino has finally managed to draw Chewbacca correctly! I mentioned in my review of issue #19 that Infantino's depiction of Chewie had always suffered from the Wookiee's face being too hairless and his body fur not quite hanging correctly. Here, we have hair covering all of the Wookiee's face, as it should be, and, while traces of Infantino's artistic idiosyncrasies certainly remain, the way in which he draws Chewie is a huge improvement on past issues. Bob Wiacek's inking is very sharp in this issue too and there's also some nice colouring from Carl Gafford, who even gets the colour of Luke's lightsaber correct (a rarity in the series so far). Oh, and I must make mention of Infantino and Wiacek's well composed and dramatic front cover, which is one of my favourites from the series. Overall, issue #31 of Star Wars is a thoroughly enjoyable comic. The plot is pretty intriguing, with the devious conniving of the House of Tagge and Luke's discovery of a mysteriously frozen Bantha in the desert giving the story a suspenseful feel. The script and artwork are both littered with references to the original Star Wars movie, which I got a big kick out of as a child and still really enjoy as an adult. I read the hell out of this issue back when I was a kid (albeit in the black & white Marvel UK reprints) and re-reading it again for the umpteenth time, it's still a real page turner. Incidentally, I chose this particular issue of Star Wars as one of my picks in the CCF's Classic Comics Christmas event 2014, and you can read what I said about it then here. Continuity issues: - It is inferred in this issue that Mos Eisley is Tatooine's only spaceport, but there are in fact others, like Mos Espa, for example.
Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "That speeder is leaking coolant...it'll be burnt out by morning! If one of our desert patrols doesn't get them out there...the twin suns will!" – An Imperial stormtrooper gloats over the fact that although the Rebels may have escaped his squad, they are doomed to a slow death in the deserts of Tatooine.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 5, 2015 18:48:15 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that there's a stormtrooper mounted on a dewback on the cover.. I wonder if that was parralel development, or if Marvel (or at least Infantino) had access to some of the Ralph McQuarrie concept sketches.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 5, 2015 18:57:39 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that there's a stormtrooper mounted on a dewback on the cover.. I wonder if that was parralel development, or if Marvel (or at least Infantino) had access to some of the Ralph McQuarrie concept sketches. I think the Marvel team had some decent access to the Star Wars universe, as there are many early references like this one in the series. And Confessor, this is seriously one of my favorite stories, though I think the flashbacks in Tatooine Sojourn were slightly better, if only we could take those scenes and splice them into this story and make the perfect comic!
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Post by Confessor on May 6, 2015 21:40:39 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that there's a stormtrooper mounted on a dewback on the cover.. I wonder if that was parralel development, or if Marvel (or at least Infantino) had access to some of the Ralph McQuarrie concept sketches I'm not sure that I understand what you mean, wildfire2099. Stormtroopers were seen riding on Dewbacks in the original 1977 Star Wars film, albeit at some distance. In addition, close up photographs of stormtroopers on Dewbacks had appeared on trading cards, in the picture storybook and in the novelization of the film, which was published prior to the movie coming out. There was even a Kenner "Patrol Dewback" toy that came out in 1977 or 78 that had a stormtrooper action figure riding on its back. Infantino certainly had access to prop stills and probably the Ralph McQuarrie concept art too, but none was needed in this case because those interested in SW already knew that Imperial stormtroopers rode Dewbacks on Tatooine by the time this comic was published. Sorry if I've misunderstood your comment though. And Confessor, this is seriously one of my favorite stories, though I think the flashbacks in Tatooine Sojourn were slightly better, if only we could take those scenes and splice them into this story and make the perfect comic! Yes, Tatooine Sojourn is very good and has some really nice artwork from Manning. Did you see in my review that I noted that issues #31 and #32 of Star Wars were on the shelves at almost exactly the same time that Tatooine Sojourn was running in newspapers? I hope to have my review of issue #32 up tomorrow, since it's half written. Work has been very busy lately and my reviewing rate has slowed over recent weeks.
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 6, 2015 21:43:34 GMT -5
It's kinda crazy that there's a stormtrooper mounted on a dewback on the cover.. I wonder if that was parralel development, or if Marvel (or at least Infantino) had access to some of the Ralph McQuarrie concept sketches I'm not sure that I understand what you mean, wildfire2099. Stormtroopers were seen riding on Dewbacks in the original 1977 Star Wars film, albeit at some distance. In addition, close up photographs of stormtroopers on Dewbacks had appeared on trading cards, in the picture storybook and in the novelization of the film, which was published prior to the movie coming out. There was even a Kenner "Patrol Dewback" toy that came out in 1977 or 78 that had a stormtrooper action figure riding on its back. Infantino certainly had access to prop stills and probably the Ralph McQuarrie concept art too, but none was needed in this case because those interested in SW already knew that Imperial stormtroopers rode Dewbacks on Tatooine by the time this comic was published. Sorry if I've misunderstood your comment though. And Confessor, this is seriously one of my favorite stories, though I think the flashbacks in Tatooine Sojourn were slightly better, if only we could take those scenes and splice them into this story and make the perfect comic! Yes, Tatooine Sojourn is very good and has some really nice artwork from Manning. Did you see in my review that I noted that issues #31 and #32 of Star Wars were on the shelves at almost exactly the same time that Tatooine Sojourn was running in newspapers? I hope to have my review of issue #32 up tomorrow, since it's half written. Work has been very busy lately and my reviewing rate has slowed over recent weeks. I wonder if there was any communication between these two teams?
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 6, 2015 21:46:00 GMT -5
I thought the Dewbacks were only added in for the Special Edition in the 90s. I knew they were on storyboards and such, but that stuff wasn't really public, I thought. That was, of course, before my time (one of my first childhood memories is going with my dad and his buddy to ESB on opening night), so if that's the case, I stand corrected.
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Post by Confessor on May 6, 2015 22:01:00 GMT -5
I wonder if there was any communication between these two teams? Yeah, I wondered about that too. It's certainly tempting to assume there may've been, but then again, it could just as easily be a coincidence. I thought the Dewbacks were only added in for the Special Edition in the 90s. I knew they were on storyboards and such, but that stuff wasn't really public, I thought. That was, of course, before my time (one of my first childhood memories is going with my dad and his buddy to ESB on opening night), so if that's the case, I stand corrected. Oh no, there were Dewbacks on Tatooine right from May 1977, when A New Hope was released in cinemas -- earlier, if you count the photo in the novelization. All the 1997 Special Edition did was make them more animated (and consequently a lot crappier looking IMHO).
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Post by Rob Allen on May 7, 2015 11:28:49 GMT -5
... May 1977, when A New Hope was released in cinemas ... The movie I saw in May 1977 was titled Star Wars. The part about it being Chapter 4, "A New Hope" was added in 1981, although Lucas had wanted it there from the beginning. See www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/faq#.2.1.7 .
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Post by Confessor on May 7, 2015 12:44:55 GMT -5
... May 1977, when A New Hope was released in cinemas ... The movie I saw in May 1977 was titled Star Wars. The part about it being Chapter 4, "A New Hope" was added in 1981, although Lucas had wanted it there from the beginning. See www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/faq#.2.1.7 . Smart arse! Yeah, the movie I saw in 1977 was called Star Wars too, but then again, there was only one film back then, so any episode number or sub-title was irrelevant really. These days the "A New Hope" tag is useful to indicate exactly which film you are referring to. I try to refer to the original 1977 film as Star Wars as often as possible in these reviews, but the sub-title is useful sometimes for improved clarity.
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Post by clutterstuffmichael on May 7, 2015 13:53:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the movie I saw in 1977 was called Star Wars too, but then again, there was only one film back then, so any episode number or sub-title was irrelevant really. These days the "A New Hope" tag is useful to indicate exactly which film you are referring to. I try to refer to the original 1977 film as Star Wars as often as possible in these reviews, but the sub-title is useful sometimes for improved clarity. That's interesting, and I think it might be a generational thing. In order of release, I refer to the movies as "Star Wars," "Empire Strikes Back," "Return of the Jedi," "Episode 1" (never "The Phantom Menace"), "Episode 2" (sometimes, rarely, "Attack of the Clones"), and "Episode 3" or "Revenge of the Sith" (almost equally). To me, the Episode 3 title is the only one that feels Star Wars-y.
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Post by Confessor on May 8, 2015 8:54:47 GMT -5
Yeah, the movie I saw in 1977 was called Star Wars too, but then again, there was only one film back then, so any episode number or sub-title was irrelevant really. These days the "A New Hope" tag is useful to indicate exactly which film you are referring to. I try to refer to the original 1977 film as Star Wars as often as possible in these reviews, but the sub-title is useful sometimes for improved clarity. That's interesting, and I think it might be a generational thing. In order of release, I refer to the movies as "Star Wars," "Empire Strikes Back," "Return of the Jedi," "Episode 1" (never "The Phantom Menace"), "Episode 2" (sometimes, rarely, "Attack of the Clones"), and "Episode 3" or "Revenge of the Sith" (almost equally). To me, the Episode 3 title is the only one that feels Star Wars-y. In general conversation, I usually refer to the films by their titles ( The Empire Strikes Back, The Phantom Menace etc). The exception to that would be A New Hope, which I usually just call Star Wars. I think you may be right about it being a generational thing though: I'm old enough to have seen all the SW films in cinemas at the time they came out, but for later generations, I think the Episode numbers may hold more sway.
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Post by Rob Allen on May 8, 2015 12:16:08 GMT -5
I saw a story recently - I think it was on notalwaysright.com but I can't find it now. A video store employee comes in one day and finds DVDs of all six Star Wars films set aside with a note that said, "Customer asked us to set aside the first three Star Wars films. Wasn't sure which 'first three' they wanted."
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 8, 2015 21:29:29 GMT -5
I saw a story recently - I think it was on notalwaysright.com but I can't find it now. A video store employee comes in one day and finds DVDs of all six Star Wars films set aside with a note that said, "Customer asked us to set aside the first three Star Wars films. Wasn't sure which 'first three' they wanted." I would totally do that if I were asked to grab the first three.
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