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Post by Action Ace on Jan 4, 2015 17:41:20 GMT -5
I agree the art is all over the place in this issue. I don't think Luke or Han have the same face in two panels straight. I didn't like the Obi Wan gets killed panel either but the next two panels where Darth is probing the empty robe and then Luke's scream were good. Then, two panels later, it looks like John Denver is trying to shoot at Vader.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 4, 2015 17:54:28 GMT -5
See, for me that "Story so far..." bit was my least favorite part of the comic, indeed I find I enjoy these books much better if I ignore the narration boxes altogether and I've found I don't really miss anything story wise either as nearly everything the boxes say is told well enough by the art. I never ever read the caption boxes as a kid. Are you kidding? I was in much too much of a hurry to get to the action. So, I agree that you can enjoy these issues just as well without reading them. Actually, that "story so far..." bit was a bit corny, but it was ever so "Stan Lee" and it kinda tickled me for that reason. But I genuinely like Roy's narration overall; it's quite romantic and poetic in places. Yeah, I'm generally a big fan of Roy, but he's been a little overbearing in the last two issues.
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Post by spoon on Jan 4, 2015 19:51:31 GMT -5
Star Wars #4Cover dated: October 1977 Issue title: In Battle with Darth VaderScript: Roy Thomas Artwork: Howard Chaykin (layouts)/Steve Leialoha (inks) Cover art: Keith Pollard (pencils)/Frank Giacoia (inks) Overall rating: 5½ out of 10 [snip]Favourite quote: "I have been waiting, Obi-Wan Kenobi; the circle is now completed. When I left you, I was but a learner; now, I am the master." – Darth Vader confronts Obi-Wan Kenobi. Unfortunately, that precedes my most disliked omission. In the movie, Obi-Wan replies, "Only a master of evil, Darth." No matter how many I watch it, I still love that line. With a few words, he invalidates all of Vader's boasting. Instead, Obi-Wan's reply in the comic is, "You still have much to learn." Pretty weak sauce.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 4, 2015 20:18:18 GMT -5
So do the non-film adaptation stories begin with #7? And what do they do when Empire and Jedi come around?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 4, 2015 20:27:25 GMT -5
So do the non-film adaptation stories begin with #7? And what do they do when Empire and Jedi come around? So do the non-film adaptation stories begin with #7? And what do they do when Empire and Jedi come around? They adapt them like they were a natural progression from the ongoing story. Empire starts in issue #39 and they adapted Return of the Jedi first as an oversized special in Marvel Super Special #27 and then split it up into a three issue mini in a later printing.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2015 22:49:02 GMT -5
Star Wars #4Cover dated: October 1977 Issue title: In Battle with Darth VaderScript: Roy Thomas Artwork: Howard Chaykin (layouts)/Steve Leialoha (inks) Cover art: Keith Pollard (pencils)/Frank Giacoia (inks) Overall rating: 5½ out of 10 [snip]Favourite quote: "I have been waiting, Obi-Wan Kenobi; the circle is now completed. When I left you, I was but a learner; now, I am the master." – Darth Vader confronts Obi-Wan Kenobi. Unfortunately, that precedes my most disliked omission. In the movie, Obi-Wan replies, "Only a master of evil, Darth." No matter how many I watch it, I still love that line. With a few words, he invalidates all of Vader's boasting. Instead, Obi-Wan's reply in the comic is, "You still have much to learn." Pretty weak sauce. But quite Yoda-esque, no? In fact, doesn't Yoda say exactly that phrase in one of the prequel movies? I think one of the most interesting aspects of the Marvel Comics adaptations is that we get to see how Star wars was scripted before shooting of the film began. There are a number of really good lines that were obviously added as filming went on that are missing from the comic for that reason, and Kenobi's "only a master of evil, Darth" is one of them.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 4, 2015 22:57:01 GMT -5
I didn't like the Obi Wan gets killed panel either but the next two panels where Darth is probing the empty robe and then Luke's scream were good. Yes, the very next panel of Vader prodding Kenobi's empty robes with his lightsaber is a very good panel and was my second choice for "favourite panel" of the issue. The one of Luke screaming, is less good IMO. Then, two panels later, it looks like John Denver is trying to shoot at Vader. "'Cause I'm leaving on the Falcon, don't know when I'll be back again..."
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 4, 2015 23:02:11 GMT -5
I agree the art is all over the place in this issue. I don't think Luke or Han have the same face in two panels straight. I didn't like the Obi Wan gets killed panel either but the next two panels where Darth is probing the empty robe and then Luke's scream were good. Then, two panels later, it looks like John Denver is trying to shoot at Vader. Yeah, that panel is a head scratcher...if I had never seen the movie before I'm not sure I would have understood what happened.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 5, 2015 0:37:41 GMT -5
Pizzazz #1Cover dated: October 1977 Issue title: The Keeper's World (Part 1) Script: Roy Thomas Artwork: Howard Chaykin (pencils)/Tony DeZuniga (inks) Colours: Marie Severin Letters: Denise Wohl Overall rating: 1 out of 10 Plot summary: Shortly after the Battle of Yavin and the destruction of the Death Star, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, C-3PO and R2-D2 undertake a mission to the second Rebel base in the Akuria system, to maintain communications and insure against a sudden Imperial counter-attack on Yavin 4. On their way to the base, R2-D2 makes a navigational error while programming the hyperspace computer on Luke and Leia's starship (because he's not been properly repaired after the damage he sustained during the Battle of Yavin). This causes the ship to go off-course and exit hyperspace right in the middle of a fleet of Imperial Star Destroyers. Comments: Although it's only three pages long, this initial, untitled instalment of The Keeper's World is quite important, within the context of the Star Wars franchise. It is the very first piece of expanded universe storytelling to be published. It predates both the first post-movie adventure in the regular Star Wars comic and Alan Dean Fosters' spin-off novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye. In fact, Marvel hadn't even finished the comic adaptation of the first Star Wars movie when Pizzazz #1 hit the stands (way to spoil the film's ending Marvel!). Unfortunately, despite the historical significance of this comic, it really isn't very good at all. Roy Thomas's scripting is lazy and the basic premise for the story makes little sense. If the base at Yavin has to remain in contact with the base on Akuria, why don't the people at Yavin just send a communication by comlink or holographic message? Why do Luke and Leia need to go there in person? Obviously, I realise that the mission to Akuria is just a reason to get Luke, Leia and the droids into another adventure, but you'd think that a writer like Roy Thomas would've come up with something a bit more convincing. The basic set up for the story isn't the only problem with the writing either; Luke and Leia's dialogue really doesn't sound much like the characters from the movie and it's also quite infantile, as if written for a younger audience than the main Star Wars comic. That's kinda weird when you consider that Pizzazz was supposed to be a pop culture magazine for teenagers. Howard Chaykin's artwork is, if anything, even more slapdash than it was in Star Wars #1. Tony DeZuniga's inking sharpens things up a little, but the overall effect is pretty unimpressive. Worse still, the layouts here lack the great staging or dramatic flow of Chaykin's concurrent work on the main Star Wars comic. Interestingly, Han Solo and Chewbacca are nowhere to be seen throughout this adventure. This is something that The Keeper's World has in common with that other early expanded universe tale, Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I've always presumed that this was because both Thomas and Alan Dean Foster assumed that Han and Chewbacca would've returned to a life of smuggling after the destruction of the Death Star. After all, Solo had gotten his reward for rescuing Princess Leia and he was pretty dismissive of the Rebellion in the movie. In the post-movie issues of the regular Marvel comic, Thomas actually moved Luke and Leia into the background and followed the adventures of Han and Chewie after they'd left Yavin 4, at least initially. Something else to note, is that C-3PO's speech bubbles are rectangular here, but they're not coloured yellow as they are in the main Star Wars comic. Given that Marie Severin handles the colouring in this issue, this kinda makes be suspect that the answer to the question that I pondered in my review for Star Wars #1, of who came up with the idea of colouring Threepio's speech balloons in this way, is Jim Novak, rather than Marie. To be brutally honest, so far The Keeper's World seems like a poorly executed, utterly throwaway piece of hack work and not an essential read at all. Continuity issues: - Luke and Leia bring C-3PO on this adventure because he's the only one that can understand what R2-D2 is saying, which is kinda true, but it's been long established that most spacecraft in the Star Wars Universe have astromech droid translation devices.
- Luke and Leia state that they could make the jump to hyperspace without using R2 (or presumably any other navigation computer), but this directly contradicts Han Solo's dialogue in the film stating that such a thing would be more or less suicidal.
Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "Well, Artoo -- this is another fine mess you got us into!" – C-3PO.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 5, 2015 9:39:31 GMT -5
I' never heard of Pizazz before this forum (before my time)... what was it exactly? You say 'teen magazine', but, with comics? Or just Star Wars?
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Post by Confessor on Jan 5, 2015 10:10:38 GMT -5
I' never heard of Pizazz before this forum (before my time)... what was it exactly? You say 'teen magazine', but, with comics? Or just Star Wars? No, the Star Wars comic only took up 3 pages of each issue. The rest of it was a pop culture magazine aimed at people in their early teens, so you'd get a bit of pop music coverage, with maybe a pin up of some heart-throb or other, articles about Star Wars, Grease, The Incredible Hulk TV series, Superman The Movie, Battlestar Galactica etc, some games and quizzes, and plenty of adverts for other Marvel publications. Oh, and there was a regular comic staring Amy Carter (Jimmy Carter's daughter) detailing what it was like to be the President's daughter. It only ran for 16 issues, between 1977 and 1979.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 5, 2015 19:44:23 GMT -5
Star Wars #5Cover dated: November 1977 Issue title: Lo, the Moons of Yavin!Script: Roy Thomas Artwork: Howard Chaykin (layouts)/Steve Leialoha (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Tom Orzechowski Cover art: Rick Hoberg (pencils)/Dave Cockrum (inks) Overall rating: 6 out of 10 Plot summary: Escaping from the Death Star in the Millennium Falcon, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia, Han Solo, Chewbacca, and the two droids R2-D2 and C-3PO, race toward the Rebel Alliance's base on the fourth moon of Yavin. After a fierce battle with some Imperial TIE fighters, they deliver R2-D2 to the Rebels, who use the information he is carrying to formulate a plan to destroy the Death Star. Meanwhile, a homing beacon has been placed on board the Falcon, allowing the Death Star to follow the ship to the Rebel base, with the intention of destroying Yavin 4 and the Rebellion. However, the Rebels plan to strike at a weakness in the battle station's defences and as the Death Star approaches, they launch a squadron of fighter craft – one of which is piloted by Luke Skywalker – on a desperate mission to destroy it. Comments: The Howard Chaykin and Steve Leialoha artwork in this issue is more or less on a par with last issue, which is to say that it's not quite as good as it was in issues #2 or #3. That said, there's a really nice opening splash page of Han Solo, which, despite a somewhat awkward angle, is nicely staged and serves as a dynamic intro to the issue. As a kid, this was one of my favourite pages of the entire Star Wars adaptation. Check it out... One of the best sequences in this comic, from an artistic and storytelling perspective, is the battle against the TIE fighters, after the Falcon escapes from the Death Star. Roy Thomas also gives a weird description of how the Force works in one of the narration boxes during this sequence: he describes Luke as "getting in touch with himself – and thus all mankind." Hmmm...now, I know that the Force is supposed to be generated by all living things, but this sounds a lot like a Haight-Ashbury "Summer of Love" version of the Force to me! As usual with this adaptation, there are some slight (and not so slight) differences between the dialogue in the film and what we read on the page. However, in this issue the comic dialogue is superior on occasion. For example, I love how when Commander Willard greets Princess Leia on Yavin 4 with, "Thank the stars you're safe! We had feared the worst!", Han interjects with a sarcastic, "So did we!" I can just hear how Harrison Ford would've delivered that line, had it been in the movie. There's also some fun incest japes in an awkward scene at the Rebel hanger, where Leia gives Luke another kiss on the lips – a proper, eyes closed, hands locked passionately together, kiss on the lips – and this one's definitely not just "for luck". Actually, this same scene occurs in the movie too, but Leia just gives Luke a peck on the cheek, which is much less awkward in hindsight. There's also a scene in the Rebel hanger that was cut from the original film (although part of it was re-inserted for the 1997 Special Edition of A New Hope), in which Luke runs into his old friend Biggs Darklighter from Tatooine. Biggs, who was last seen in issue #1, is a Rebel pilot now and, like Luke, is about to go up against the Death Star. The pair enthusiastically greet one another, but are interrupted by the squadron commander, who tells Luke that when he was a boy he once met his father. Now, the main problem with this conversation is that the commander refers to Luke's father as "[one] of the original Jedi Knights", but it's established in the film that the Jedi order has existed for over a thousand generations (although no such claim is made by Kenobi in the comic adaptation, it should be noted). The front cover of this issue is a bit of a head-scratcher really. It shows Luke and Chewie running towards Han and the Millennium Falcon, as the Death Star looms overhead (clearly within Yavin 4's atmosphere), taking potshots at the Rebel base. I mean, it's quite nicely done, I guess, but it's just a bit weird because nothing of the sort actually happens in the film or in this issue. It makes me wonder whether Rick Hoberg and Dave Cockrum, who penciled and inked the cover, had actually read the shooting script when they drew it. Or maybe it's just a simple case of dramatic license. Either way, it bugs me and is one of my least favourite covers of the series. Something I've noticed as this adaptation goes along, is that it seems as if each issue is covering less and less movie time. For example, the first issue crammed in over half an hour of the film into its 17 pages, but issue #2 was more like 20 minutes and this issue is probably not even a quarter of an hour. I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing, it's just an observation. I guess that Roy and the gang had to break up the story at the points where there would be some kind of cliffhanger to end each issue. Overall, I'd say that Star Wars #5 is a bit of an improvement on last issue. It's a shame that there is no letters page like there was last time, but I guess that not enough people were writing in to Marvel about Star Wars yet. The artwork isn't the best we've seen Chaykin and Leialoha do in this series and some of the faces of the main cast look downright weird. Also, in the final panel, it looks as if Chaykin has had some trouble getting the whole of the X-wing fighter into the frame, so he's shortened its nose, which makes it look kinda stupid. Continuity issues: - The Millennium Falcon battles five TIE fighters after escaping from the Death Star, rather than four, as in the movie.
- The interior of the Falcon is still being drawn wrong, with the cockpit adjoining the recreational lounge.
- Blue Leader refers to Luke's father as "[one] of the original Jedi Knights", but it's established in the film that the Jedi order has existed for over a thousand generations, so how could he be an "original" Jedi Knight?
- The X-wing fighters that attack the Death Star are designated as Blue Squadron, rather than Red, as they are in the film.
- The front cover shows Luke, Chewbacca and Han racing to get on board the Millennium Falcon as the Death Star hovers over head, firing lasers at them – something that never happens in the film. Also, Han Solo's waistcoat and trousers are brown on the cover, instead of black.
Favourite panel: Favourite quote: "So, what do you think, sweetheart? Not a bad bit of rescuing. Y'know, sometimes I amaze even myself!" – Han Solo conceitedly asks Leia's opinion of her rescue.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 5, 2015 22:08:38 GMT -5
I' never heard of Pizazz before this forum (before my time)... what was it exactly? You say 'teen magazine', but, with comics? Or just Star Wars? No, the Star Wars comic only took up 3 pages of each issue. The rest of it was a pop culture magazine aimed at people in their early teens, so you'd get a bit of pop music coverage, with maybe a pin up of some heart-throb or other, articles about Star Wars, Grease, The Incredible Hulk TV series, Superman The Movie, Battlestar Galactica etc, some games and quizzes, and plenty of adverts for other Marvel publications. Oh, and there was a regular comic staring Amy Carter (Jimmy Carter's daughter) detailing what it was like to be the President's daughter. It only ran for 16 issues, between 1977 and 1979. I never heard of Pizazz until I had another discussion like this about Star Wars comics in 1997.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 5, 2015 22:11:25 GMT -5
Han got around a bit. I assume, after being the Emperor's instrument of death for almost two decades, that Darth Vader would be well known about the galaxy.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 6, 2015 3:09:05 GMT -5
Han got around a bit. I assume, after being the Emperor's instrument of death for almost two decades, that Darth Vader would be well known about the galaxy. Hmmm...yeah, good point. I might remove that "continuity issue" from my review. I was torn about including it anyway, to be honest, because it can easily be explained away by either Leia or Obi-Wan saying something to Solo off panel, but your point is even more convincing.
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