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Post by brianf on Nov 23, 2020 16:43:13 GMT -5
Micronauts #10 & #11 (Image, 2003) W - Dan Jolley P - Steve Kurth I - Barb Shulz C - Steve Kurth So doing a quick finishing up of this series and yeah, I like it over all. I kinda wanna go back and re-read all 11 issues in one sitting. It's not the best thing in the world, but it's an enjoyable action packed story. On the down side some of the art in #10 gets a little busy and hard to follow some of the action, but it's nothing too outrageous. This series was produced for Image in conjunction with Devils Due & there's a 3 issues from Devils Due run that directly follow these comics, so I'll get to those after I check out the 4 issue Karza mini published by Image. Micronauts #1-11 by Images comics - I recommend it!
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 25, 2020 10:34:49 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #12 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Kelley Jones Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - Jones The story and action is more focused and clear this issue - I actually kinda like it. The new metal guy is Scion - he's the egg from earlier in the series, all growed up. He helps the Micronauts penetrate the space wall, so by the end of the comic they have made it back to the Microverse. So it took a year, but I see improvement I don't know. I think this was about my least favorite issue in this series so far. Things just aren't making sense to me. They've stated that Mari is paralyzed, but she's clearly standing under her own power on p.2, and she also appeared to be walking under her own power in a spacesuit in the previous issue. So many conflicting views regarding the Spacewall and the Microverse that I've given up trying to understand it. They said before that the Confluence was outside of the Microverse, yet here they say it's just in another part of the Microverse (p.3). If that's so, why do they have to cross the Spacewall to get back home? And how could they see the "Microverse" as that glowing double helix from the Confluence home planet if the Spacewall is separating the two? And if the Spacewall would protect the Acroyear fleet from the explosion of the space station from last issue as Acroyear states here, then why did he order the fleet way from the location of the explosion in order to save them in the last issue? How did he even have the power or authority to order them away, for that matter? Mari says she should be the on to rescue Scion since she can't feel pain, but she only can't feel pain in her legs! What about the rest of her body?? Her rescue of Scion seemed impossible to me, even by comic book standards. Also, Scion acted like such an ass. He couldn't possible go about getting compliance from the Micronauts in a worse way. It just seems like a cheap excuse for conflict and drama. This issue had more action than its predecessors, but I certainly couldn't says it was better written. I also preferred the Bruce Patterson inks to Danny Bulanadi's. I've been primarily a defender of this series so far, but I hope this isn't the start of a trend, or it might lose my support.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 15:56:18 GMT -5
So many conflicting views regarding the Spacewall and the Microverse that I've given up trying to understand it. They said before that the Confluence was outside of the Microverse, yet here they say it's just in another part of the Microverse (p.3). It was never explained quite satisfactorily... Even back in Micronauts #1, the Endeavour reaches the Spacewall in a matter of minutes, which at the time made me think that it was not an actual physical barrier but some other kind of obstacle; something like, say, a higher band in the hyperspace spectrum or something? One that usually caused the destruction of ships daring to cross it, but if actually crossed would cause one to "shift" into our macroverse? Perhaps it should be seen as the surface of a 4D sphere on which the 3D Micronauts live; if we manage to escape from that surface, we end up on the surface of a bigger 4D sphere, that being our own 3D universe peopled with giants. But that's all fannish speculation; I get the impression that by "subatomic universe", Bill Mantlo really meant "a universe contained within an atom", as if (a) that was at all possible and (b) atoms had borders. Here in New voyages the spacewall is depicted as an actual barrier in the microverse, circumventing a chunk of space that contains the planets we know (Homeworld, Spartak, Kaliklak et al). So in a sense the Confluence really is in the microverse; it's just that the microverse is much bigger than the part of it contained within the spacewall. And why there is a spacewall at all, I have no idea. The Enigma Force works in Enigmatic Ways Good question. Maybe the spacewall is transluscent or something. Ahgain a good question. Maybe Acroyear just wasn't sure that the explosion wouldn't go through the spacewall after all. I seem to remember that he invokes something like a "priority override Eleusis" or something... which might be Spartakian for "sudo". That's how I felt about this arrogant, winged knock-off of Colossus for as long as he was in the book! I really didn't like Scion. Like Nanotron and Devil, I just wanted him gone! I never cared for Bulanadi's inks either (especially on Gil Kane... to think that there were so many Micronauts issues drawn by one of my artistic heroes, and that I only enjoyed the single one he inked himself...) I wouldn't say the book gets a lot better, but there are a few awesome moments toward the end, evoking the grandeur of a Jack Kirby story. No spoilers, but all in all I'd say that New Voyages failed to live up to its apparently lofty ambitions. The best that can be said about it is that it tried something different (which is actually not a bad eulogy for a comic-book).
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 25, 2020 16:16:29 GMT -5
Roquefort Raider, I think you're right about Acroyear's sudo. That sounds about right. So far I am agreeing with you on Scion, as I also wanted Nanotron gone, too. I kinda liked Devil, but preferred Fireflyte if I could only have one or the other. And you're definitely right that trying to do something different is not a bad comic book eulogy. That's perhaps th thing I appreciate most about this series. How many other series can really make that claim? Another short lived (unfortunately) series that tried something different, Omega the Unknown, jumps to mind. And, since you mention Kirby, the Eternals is another one. Sad that that one ended too soon.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 25, 2020 17:24:15 GMT -5
insert code here Have you tried Strikeforce Morituri, dbutler69 ? That was another Gillis series that was quite unlike most other comics, and it was (in my opinion) much better executed than New Voyages.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 25, 2020 18:26:31 GMT -5
insert code here Have you tried Strikeforce Morituri, dbutler69 ? That was another Gillis series that was quite unlike most other comics, and it was (8n my opinion) much better executed than New Voyages. Never heard of it. I'll have to check it out. Thanks.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 26, 2020 10:21:05 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #13 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Kelley Jones Inks - Bulandi & Jones Editor - Macchio Cover Art - Jones I dunno, once again it seems like not much is happening, or at least not much interesting happens. Devils discorporated form is in great pain, which leads to Scion being a jerk to Bug. The 'Nauts land on a planet and explore and find some pointless battles and more Microverse mysteries. Kinda drags. I actually thought this issue had some interesting sci-fi concepts, with these living ships and these symbiotic creatures where one organism is the "brain" and the other the armored body. I'll give this issue credit for that, and I thought there was enough action to keep things moving along fine. However, this issue was certainly not without flaws. The Endeavor's computers are Bug's specialty?! Huh? Since when? I've never seen him use a computer or display much technical knowledge. There was a ridiculous size difference between Acroyear and Mari on p.14, and it can't be blamed on perspective, since Mari is actually in front of Acroyear. I've noticed that Acroyear has been drawn like a gigant among the Micronauts lately. Must be Kelly Jones's interpretation. It's too much, though. Scion is an annoying ass, a bossy bully. Mari looks kinda silly fighting in that flying chair. I think paralyzing her was a bad move. Huntarr reminds me of something since his transformation. Is it the creature from Alien?
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 26, 2020 10:30:17 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #14 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Kelley Jones Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - Jones Scion warns the Micronauts of the dire threat of spreading pain, and brings them to a planet over populated by various groups who escaped their home worlds due to the poisoning by the corrupted enigma force. The story then cuts to Rann in the other side of space learning more about the Makers. The issue ends with Bug getting cocooned then being saved my Mari & Solitaire. A lot of this comic is just the Micronauts being told something, and then they just stand around. OK, now I didn't really much care for this issue. This "scream" nonsense (p.1-2) sounds like something from some 70's Bill Mantlo thing, I think it was a Woodgod story or something. "The Pain" (p.3) means nothing to Acroyear? What the hell is he talking about? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Microverse has been destroyed?! WTF?!?! So the Micronauts' efforts in defeating Karza have already been wasted, and in fact maybe it would have even been better if they'd lost (as Bug contemplates)!! I hate that idea. Also, more confusion for me over what exactly the Microverse is. If the Microverse is destroyed, then how can the refugees have made it to Aegis? I think it's just poor wording by Gillis, and he means that part of the Microverse has been destroyed (the caption just said "The wreckage of the Microverse). Wanton & massive destruction by a writer is a cheap way to get a reaction, for a shock effect. I don't like it. Why is all the Microverse debris around Ageis, if Aegis was so far from the source of the trouble (and hence why they fled there)? That doesn't make sense. Acroyear pounding on Bug's cocoon doesn't seem like a good idea. He could hurt Bug! We have to be reminded that Mari's legs are paralyzed 2 pages in a row? Stupid of her to fly her chair into the force field. What did she expect would happen? Really weird rescue of Bug. The whole thing just didn't make sense to me.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 26, 2020 10:51:06 GMT -5
I always thought it was kind of obvious with Mari being paralyzed. What happens when you cut a puppets strings? Essentially you are crippling it! It was just dragged out too long over issues. A 2-parter would have been sufficient.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 26, 2020 16:27:03 GMT -5
I always thought it was kind of obvious with Mari being paralyzed. What happens when you cut a puppets strings? Essentially you are crippling it! It was just dragged out too long over issues. A 2-parter would have been sufficient. Dragged out too long is right!
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 27, 2020 10:26:57 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #15 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Kelley Jones Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - Jones Karza is back! No, thats not right - Karza is in a flashback! The whole issue is a flashback showing how Mari lost the use of her legs and had a dancer friend sacrifice her own limbs to assist Mari. Over all it's not a bad story, but it slams the breaks on the main story, and just drags things out even more. Mari intimates that she's over 100 years old (similar to Rann's flashback from a few issues ago where it was implied that Mari (and Argon) is over 100 years old) since her flashback takes place over 100 years ago, and she wasn't much older in the flashback than in the present. I hate that! There's absolutely no reason for this. It adds nothing to the story. Is he trying to make a point that they're more advanced than us? This implies that the average lifespan on Homeworld is (was) well over 300 years. And presumably she and Argon and her parents didn't have any help from the Body Banks to achieve this long lifespan, either, as they all despise them. This is kinda ridiculous and also makes Rann's 1,000 journey lot less special and less remarkable. I very much doubt that BIll Mantlo had this in mind. There was no hint of this before. The cover with Karza is a bit of a tease, as he's only in a flashback. How does Mari know all of the conversations that took place when she wasn't present in this flashback story of hers? This story was a needless, silly retcon, IMHO. Oh, so why aren't Mari's legs blue? Well, OK, I guess they got her some white skin for her new legs from the Body Banks. Sigh.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 27, 2020 10:31:09 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #16 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Kelley Jones Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - Jones Oh boy, a Secret Wars II crossover - just want this series needed. The issue begins with a few pages of recap, then a giant ship attempts to leave the refugee world, threatening the hundreds (thousands?) of huts built up around the ship. At first it appears the Micronauts fail to stop the beginning of the ships launch and the death of many, then the Beyonder shows up to fix it all. He also fixes Maris legs and changes Huntarr. Scion and the Beyonder go off and make plans. There's stuff about the death of Homewold causing the damage to the enigma force and the need to destroy other healthy planets as a fire line - killing billions to save the rest of the Microverse. The 'Nauts disagree with that plan and seemly stop Scion, destroying him. Once the team leaves the refugee planet in search of other ways to save everything the Beyonder returns, and revives Scion. There's a lot going on here but the writing just doesn't have much weight. Billions die in a panel but there's no drama in it. Destruction, rebirth, round and round we go, but the thin writing leaves me with an idea of what's going on, but no real engagement in the story. There's potential here, but what I read leaves me cold. A Secret Wars II crossover. Ugh. Practically of of the Secret Wars II crossovers sucked and this one is no exception. Acroyear is blaming Microtron and Biotron for not telling them about the radiation poisoning? It was Rann's fault! He ordered them not to tell! It was, needless to say, really dumb of Bug to attack that guy who threatened to ignite the ship's drive, which of course he did. Here comes the Beyonder to fix everything in another SWII crossover. Sigh. Why were the Micronauts so glad that Scion left with the Beyonder to go roaming around? Did they think he wouldn't be back? He hasn't even left the planet. Scion is an arrogant ass, and he is dragging this series down. This stuff about Homeworld going mad after Karza destroyed the life on it and that corrupting the Enigma Force seems like a lot of nonsense to me. The idea of destroying more worlds in order to create a "firebreak" doesn't make any sense to me. Wouldn't that just cause even further corruption of the Enigma Force? So they're going to destroy the inhabited planets in the path of "the Pain". Uh, ok. It was dumb of Scion to not just ask the Beyonder to save the Microverse, but I guess that's just part of Scion's arrogance, as he thinks he knows best.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 28, 2020 10:29:10 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #17 (1985) Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - Howard Bender Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - K Pollard The Micronauts head back to Homeworld to reconstitute Devil. There's some heart to heart talks, Devil overwhelmed by Pain causing his death, and Rann returns via transporter. I kinda like this issue better (the character interaction and plot progression are positive steps), but the fill in art isn't that great and the never ending mystery gets kinda tiring as it keeps.... dragging...... along. This issue was definitely better than the last few issues. Anyway... It's stated at the beginning that the Beyonder killed Scionm but as we find out in the next issue, that's wrong. I have to say, I like Acroyear - he's a calm, peaceful, level-headed warrior. All too rare in comics, where most superheroes act like morons and/or hotheads. Huntarr is blaming Acroyear for smashing Scion to bits?! It was at least as much Huntarr's fault, as he somehow gave Acroyear the power to do so. What does Mari mean they didn't find a new home (p.9)? What about the Confluence world?? They all loved it there, and were welcome there. Some nice thoughts (p.11-12) by Huntarr in his conversation with Mari. He's become deep. Then again, I guess all of the Micronauts have become deeper under Gillis. No explanation as to why Rann is young again, or how he managed to know to come back to where they were, or how he knew to come back at just that moment. Pretty poorly handled reintroduction of Rann.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 28, 2020 10:35:35 GMT -5
Micronauts The New Voyages #18 (1986)
Writer - Peter Gillis Pencils - K Jones Inks - Bulandi Editor - Macchio Cover Art - K Pollard
So lets see - Rann is no longer old, Devil has transitioned into Fireflyte, Huntarr has a cure for Pain, and the Acroyear fleet arrives at Homeworld having tracked the source of the galaxy wide Pain. Cilicia gives birth, Scion returns in a different form, Solitaire is doing stuff and the connected spheres of Homeworld get separated. A lot of stuff is happening, but the creators don't really have the talent to make it sing.
I don't know what was going on here, but I really didn't like the art in this issue. Is Kelly Jones rushing? Rann's face looks funny on p.11 and Acroyear looks about 500 years old on one page, and he looks crazy on p.16 when he's about to slash Cicilia's armor. The birth of Acroyear's son seemed sort of skimmed over. Cicilia changed her tune regarding Acroyear awfully suddenly. While it's a welcome change, there didn't seem to be much motivation or reason for it. It was confirmed in the letters page that the creature that messed up Devil in #9 was Computrex, but there's been no mention of him since. What happened? Fireflyte has been invisible since reappearing. The creators know the end is near for this series and it shows.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 28, 2020 15:59:20 GMT -5
Mari intimates that she's over 100 years old (similar to Rann's flashback from a few issues ago where it was implied that Mari (and Argon) is over 100 years old) since her flashback takes place over 100 years ago, and she wasn't much older in the flashback than in the present. I hate that! There's absolutely no reason for this. It adds nothing to the story. Is he trying to make a point that they're more advanced than us? This implies that the average lifespan on Homeworld is (was) well over 300 years. And presumably she and Argon and her parents didn't have any help from the Body Banks to achieve this long lifespan, either, as they all despise them. This is kinda ridiculous and also makes Rann's 1,000 journey lot less special and less remarkable. It further stretches credibility because Mari doesn't act very mature when she's introduced. You'd think that after 100 years, she'd have had time to become an adult. Totally agree. I mean, how do you stop the Nazis from invading the British Isles? I know! The British will blow up Folkestone and Dover! That should do the trick! I can understand the principle of the Enigma Force going nuts because too many people died at once, but that shouldn't have come about after Karza went all genocidal on Homeworld... That should have happened when Charles Xavier went all genocidal across the entire Microverse!!!
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