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Post by Pharozonk on May 25, 2014 8:08:27 GMT -5
I've never read any Pre-Crisis JLA, but it's something I really want to get into.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 25, 2014 8:55:51 GMT -5
Sorry,I couldn't hold off any longer and had to embed the Lou Reed song. Forgive me
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Post by Action Ace on May 25, 2014 15:51:03 GMT -5
Surprisingly, the JLA did not lead me to discover the JSA as I missed the crossover in #123 and #124. I went straight to All-Star Comics #58 in October of that year. It had two key words in the title, Star and Super (as in Super Squad) that surely triggered by impulse buy ability.
JLA, in a way, did introduce me to the Avengers (and more importantly the art of George Perez) the next year. My first issue of that was #147 with the Squadron Supreme.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 25, 2014 17:16:47 GMT -5
Surprisingly, the JLA did not lead me to discover the JSA as I missed the crossover in #123 and #124. I went straight to All-Star Comics #58 in October of that year. It had two key words in the title, Star and Super (as in Super Squad) that surely triggered by impulse buy ability. JLA, in a way, did introduce me to the Avengers (and more importantly the art of George Perez) the next year. My first issue of that was #147 with the Squadron Supreme. My first Avengers issue was #141 but I missed the next two issues and so I basically started my Avengers run with #144 (Patsy Walker becomes the Hellcat!). And the next two issues were a fill-in!
Avengers #147 is pretty awesome, but it's been a while since I read it. Does it end with the attack of Orka? Or is that the next issue?
I found most of the issues back to about #137 (with the Beast prominent on the cover) pretty quick. Thor and Moondragon in the West. Two-Gun Kid. The Squadron Supreme. The Serpent Crown. Nelson Rockefeller.
After that, the Avengers was pretty great at times, but I'm not sure it was ever better than when I was first reading it. I didn't give up on the Avengers for a long time. I was still reading at Under Siege and the Council of Kangs. I read it for a while when I didn't like it (Dr. Druid got old real fast and I really have never liked Marinna, especially when John Byrne decided she was some major character creation and married her off to Namor) but I read it because of the art. I think up to the 280s.
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Post by Action Ace on May 25, 2014 17:30:36 GMT -5
Surprisingly, the JLA did not lead me to discover the JSA as I missed the crossover in #123 and #124. I went straight to All-Star Comics #58 in October of that year. It had two key words in the title, Star and Super (as in Super Squad) that surely triggered by impulse buy ability. JLA, in a way, did introduce me to the Avengers (and more importantly the art of George Perez) the next year. My first issue of that was #147 with the Squadron Supreme. My first Avengers issue was #141 but I missed the next two issues and so I basically started my Avengers run with #144 (Patsy Walker becomes the Hellcat!). And the next two issues were a fill-in!
Avengers #147 is pretty awesome, but it's been a while since I read it. Does it end with the attack of Orka? Or is that the next issue?
I found most of the issues back to about #137 (with the Beast prominent on the cover) pretty quick. Thor and Moondragon in the West. Two-Gun Kid. The Squadron Supreme. The Serpent Crown. Nelson Rockefeller.
After that, the Avengers was pretty great at times, but I'm not sure it was ever better than when I was first reading it. I didn't give up on the Avengers for a long time. I was still reading at Under Siege and the Council of Kangs. I read it for a while when I didn't like it (Dr. Druid got old real fast and I really have never liked Marinna, especially when John Byrne decided she was some major character creation and married her off to Namor) but I read it because of the art. I think up to the 280s.
147 & 148 were mainly Avengers vs. Squadron Supreme, 149 was Orka and 150 was the old order changeth again issue. As it turns out, I would not buy four consecutive issue of Avengers again until Kurt Busiek was the writer. Thankfully, both Steve Englehart and George Perez made their way over to JLA in the not too distant future. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 27, 2014 16:22:34 GMT -5
I'm slowly making my way through Showcase Presents: Justice League of America, Volume 5, and it's starting to gorw on me a little. It's pretty cool to see Black Canary, Green Lantern, Batman, Hawkman, Flash, Superman, Green Arrow and the Atom every month. I especially love the Atom's tiny little chair up on the meeting table in the satellite. Does it ever get old for Hal or Katar or Barry to say, "Hey, Ray! Get your feet off the table! Ha ha ha ha!"?
But just because I'm getting used to the writing quirks, only the best pre-Wein stories in this story could be called passable, and that's if you're feeling charitable. I just read JLA #99 and I think my IQ went down a few points. As bad as some Silver Age stories get, even the Torch and Thing team-ups in Strange Tales weren't this bad. (I thought about it for a few minutes and I've decided to walk this back a bit. Some of those Torch and Thing team-up stories are pretty bad.)
Black Canary and Green Lantern are in two different place and are simultaneously attacked by plants. (GL is attacked by yellow plants.) Turns out the villains are two extraterrestrial plant-lovers who are upset about human devastation of Earth and are addressing the ecological devastation by planting these. Tree-huggers! Batman figures out various ways to combat these meddlesome aliens and the last one works. I won't explain how they do it because it's pretty dumb. About average for JLA in this era, maybe even above average. But still dumb.
Touching moment: Black Canary notes that Green Arrow is missing.
Hmmm ... Green Arrow must still be on his own personal case! I miss him!
Awww ... that's sweet.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 29, 2014 0:42:46 GMT -5
I finally got to the Len Wein era of JLA with the JSA/JLA team-up in JLA #100 to #102, and what a difference between this story and the material from the previous two years! Sure, Wein is a little hampered by the restriction of the DC super-hero team-up format, but I think he does a great job of working within those restrictions.
Everybody is in this story! Not just the regular Justice League, but also everybody who's ever guest-starred - like Zatanna and the Elongated Man and Metamorpho - and past members show up - like de-powered mod Diana Prince - and, for one panel each, Adam Strange and J'onn J'onzz.
And then there's the JSA - Dr. Fate, Starman, Wonder Woman, Hourman, Sandman, Doc Mid-Nite, Wildcat, Johnny Thunder and the Red Tornado, with Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific and Robin all showing up late and then wandering around the cosmos and looking for someone to save.
There's a giant hand about to crush the Earth and the members of the JLA and the JSA all split up into groups of three (I would so try to be in the group with Zatanna or Black Canary) and try to find the members of the Seven Soldiers of Victory - G.A. Green Arrow and Speedy, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesy, Crimson Avenger - because it's the only way to save the Earth. And they've all been separated into seven wildly divergent time periods so the groups have to fight people like Genghis Khan or Circe or team up with dudes like Robin Hood. And Red Tornado grabs a bomb and blows himself up and saves the day. But he gets better in a future issue.
And there was an eighth Seven Soldier of Victory, Wing (Crimson Avenger's sidekick), but he never counted as a soldier of victory and he died or something and is now buried in the Himalayas where monks took care of his gravesite for some reason.
Did I miss anything?
If you've never read this one, well, you should make an effort to get a copy and read it, especially if you like the JLA or Bronze Age comics.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 29, 2014 6:26:45 GMT -5
I finally got to the Len Wein era of JLA with the JSA/JLA team-up in JLA #100 to #102, and what a difference between this story and the material from the previous two years! Sure, Wein is a little hampered by the restriction of the DC super-hero team-up format, but I think he does a great job of working within those restrictions. Everybody is in this story! Not just the regular Justice League, but also everybody who's ever guest-starred - like Zatanna and the Elongated Man and Metamorpho - and past members show up - like de-powered mod Diana Prince - and, for one panel each, Adam Strange and J'onn J'onzz. And then there's the JSA - Dr. Fate, Starman, Wonder Woman, Hourman, Sandman, Doc Mid-Nite, Wildcat, Johnny Thunder and the Red Tornado, with Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific and Robin all showing up late and then wandering around the cosmos and looking for someone to save. There's a giant hand about to crush the Earth and the members of the JLA and the JSA all split up into groups of three (I would so try to be in the group with Zatanna or Black Canary) and try to find the members of the Seven Soldiers of Victory - G.A. Green Arrow and Speedy, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesy, Crimson Avenger - because it's the only way to save the Earth. And they've all been separated into seven wildly divergent time periods so the groups have to fight people like Genghis Khan or Circe or team up with dudes like Robin Hood. And Red Tornado grabs a bomb and blows himself up and saves the day. But he gets better in a future issue. And there was an eighth Seven Soldier of Victory, Wing (Crimson Avenger's sidekick), but he never counted as a soldier of victory and he died or something and is now buried in the Himalayas where monks took care of his gravesite for some reason. Did I miss anything? If you've never read this one, well, you should make an effort to get a copy and read it, especially if you like the JLA or Bronze Age comics. This Might be my Favorite Crossover. Read # 107-108( Crossover with the Quality earth),and JLA # 113. They are really good too. |
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Post by Action Ace on May 29, 2014 13:02:18 GMT -5
I finally got to the Len Wein era of JLA with the JSA/JLA team-up in JLA #100 to #102, and what a difference between this story and the material from the previous two years! Sure, Wein is a little hampered by the restriction of the DC super-hero team-up format, but I think he does a great job of working within those restrictions. Everybody is in this story! Not just the regular Justice League, but also everybody who's ever guest-starred - like Zatanna and the Elongated Man and Metamorpho - and past members show up - like de-powered mod Diana Prince - and, for one panel each, Adam Strange and J'onn J'onzz. And then there's the JSA - Dr. Fate, Starman, Wonder Woman, Hourman, Sandman, Doc Mid-Nite, Wildcat, Johnny Thunder and the Red Tornado, with Green Lantern, Mr. Terrific and Robin all showing up late and then wandering around the cosmos and looking for someone to save. There's a giant hand about to crush the Earth and the members of the JLA and the JSA all split up into groups of three (I would so try to be in the group with Zatanna or Black Canary) and try to find the members of the Seven Soldiers of Victory - G.A. Green Arrow and Speedy, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Star-Spangled Kid and Stripesy, Crimson Avenger - because it's the only way to save the Earth. And they've all been separated into seven wildly divergent time periods so the groups have to fight people like Genghis Khan or Circe or team up with dudes like Robin Hood. And Red Tornado grabs a bomb and blows himself up and saves the day. But he gets better in a future issue. And there was an eighth Seven Soldier of Victory, Wing (Crimson Avenger's sidekick), but he never counted as a soldier of victory and he died or something and is now buried in the Himalayas where monks took care of his gravesite for some reason. Did I miss anything? If you've never read this one, well, you should make an effort to get a copy and read it, especially if you like the JLA or Bronze Age comics. This Might be my Favorite Crossover. Read # 107-108( Crossover with the Quality earth),and JLA # 113. They are really good too. Volume 5 of Showcase Presents ends with #106 so we're going to need to get Hoosier X that next volume. Len Wein's run is solid. He adds three new members and brings back The Seven Soldiers of Victory and The Freedom Fighters. Add in lots of guest stars from John Stewart to Santa Claus and he gets a lot in for fifteen issues. |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 29, 2014 13:09:59 GMT -5
I have Volume Three of the JLA/JSA team-ups, so I have the one with the Freedom Fighters and the one where Sandy the Golden Boy turns out to have NOT been a mindless monster all those years. I like the one with the Freedom Fighters so much that I wrote an essay about it. (I think I already linked to it earlier in the thread.)
The one with Sandy the Golden Boy, I'm not so keen on.
I don't think my library system has Volume 6, but it has some of the earlier ones. (I want to read the first Royal Flush Gang so bad! I bet it's terrible! I've loved the RFG ever since I saw them in Joker #5!)
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Post by Hoosier X on May 29, 2014 13:14:26 GMT -5
I remembered another JLA storyline that I like. I didn't read much JLA in the 1990s but I did pick up Destiny's Hand in JLA (second series) #72 to #75, and I dug it out of a longbox and I read the first issue this morning. So far, it's as good as I remember!
I also have issues #82 and #83, but that's it for my 1990s JLA collection. (I also came across that issue of JLE where the two punks kidnap Power Girl's cat! I love Power Girl's cat. Did it ever get a name?)
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Post by Action Ace on May 29, 2014 13:24:42 GMT -5
I have Volume Three of the JLA/JSA team-ups, so I have the one with the Freedom Fighters and the one where Sandy the Golden Boy turns out to have NOT been a mindless monster all those years. I like the one with the Freedom Fighters so much that I wrote an essay about it. (I think I already linked to it earlier in the thread.) The one with Sandy the Golden Boy, I'm not so keen on. I don't think my library system has Volume 6, but it has some of the earlier ones. (I want to read the first Royal Flush Gang so bad! I bet it's terrible! I've loved the RFG ever since I saw them in Joker #5!) #43 is in Volume #3. I loved the issue myself.  |
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Post by Action Ace on May 29, 2014 13:29:39 GMT -5
I remembered another JLA storyline that I like. I didn't read much JLA in the 1990s but I did pick up Destiny's Hand in JLA (second series) #72 to #75, and I dug it out of a longbox and I read the first issue this morning. So far, it's as good as I remember! I also have issues #82 and #83, but that's it for my 1990s JLA collection. (I also came across that issue of JLE where the two punks kidnap Power Girl's cat! I love Power Girl's cat. Did it ever get a name?) I liked Destiny's Hand too. It was nice to see the old JLA back for an arc even if they were a little "rough." |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 29, 2014 13:41:03 GMT -5
I'm reading the second part of Destiny's Hand and it's reminding me why I didn't read JLA in this period: Too many characters I don't know or don't care about. The first part had the alternate reality JLA but it was dark versions of Hal Jordan, Hawkman, Atom, etc. The then-current JLA didn't appear until the second part.
The line-up: Wonder Woman (A great first step, but this is post-Crisis, so she's brand new and doesn't have any cred like Superman and Batman.)
Guy Gardener (Yuk. Insufferable. But I guess it's diversity to have one MRA jerk on your team.)
Bloodwynd. Agent Liberty. The Ray. Maxima. The Black Condor.
I liked this storyline but there was nothing for me to latch on to in that line-up to keep me reading when it was done. It's almost like DC tricked me into buying Destiny's Hand because they didn't put the current team in the first issue!
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Post by foxley on May 29, 2014 19:22:07 GMT -5
Here I quote from dc.wikia.com:
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