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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2022 18:53:51 GMT -5
Nice comeback win but Whitlock looked like garbage again. I think teams have started to get a book on him and he now needs to make the adjustment. I still think he's more valuable in the bullpen and Houck should be in the rotation until Sale or Paxton is ready to go.
-M
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Post by Prince Hal on May 21, 2022 21:36:26 GMT -5
Nice comeback win but Whitlock looked like garbage again. I think teams have started to get a book on him and he now needs to make the adjustment. I still think he's more valuable in the bullpen and Houck should be in the rotation until Sale or Paxton is ready to go. -M Like Astros with Eovaldi the other night, they were pouncing on his first pitch b/c they know he always puts it in the strike zone. Whitlock's demeanor has also not been the same since he started starting; he seems easily shaken, needs that implacable face he has always showed coming in from the pen.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 22, 2022 16:35:25 GMT -5
Nice game and rebound for Sox today, @mrp.
Solid pitching and defense and a storybook moment for Franchy in the tenth... and all against a good starter with both JD and Verdugo out.
But I still dislike the so-called ghost runner in extra innings.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2022 17:00:39 GMT -5
Today was our D&D day, so I didn't follow the game, but saw the highlights after we finished. Franchy's heroics hides the fact Robles blew the save by giving up a homer with 2 outs in the ninth. The up side, this was the first time this season the Sox didn't lose when a game went to extra innings. The bullpen has been better, but there's still no one there I would trust to lock things down in the 9th on a regular basis. If Whitlock is going to be a 3 inning pitcher, I still would rather those innings be the 7th 8th and 9th rather than the 1rst, 2nd and 3rd.
-M
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 21:59:01 GMT -5
Prince HalTonight's game shows why the Red Sox, despite having one of the best records in MLB the last 3 weeks, are nothing but a pretender until they fix that bullpen. Garrett Whitlock 6 IP, 2 runs allowed, leaves game with an 8-2 lead. Sox bullpen gives up 10 runs in the 7th, 8th and 9th, to the Orioles to lose 12-8. Not one reliever they trotted out there tonight was effective. -M
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Post by Prince Hal on May 27, 2022 22:06:46 GMT -5
@mrp,
And “Sucksomemorea” is the worst of the bunch.
Only thing worse was the trio of dull Apple announcers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2022 10:01:44 GMT -5
The Houston Astros had 2 pitchers throw immaculate innings (3 batters faced, 3 strike outs, 9 pitches thrown) in the same game, a MLB first. There have only been 108 immaculate innings in MLB history. It was 2 different pitchers, but the ironic part, it was the same three batters for the Rangers in each of the immaculate innings.
-M
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 18, 2022 14:18:00 GMT -5
The Houston Astros had 2 pitchers throw immaculate innings (3 batters faced, 3 strike outs, 9 pitches thrown) in the same game, a MLB first. There have only been 108 immaculate innings in MLB history. It was 2 different pitchers, but the ironic part, it was the same three batters for the Rangers in each of the immaculate innings. -M Makes me think it was more about the hitters than the pitchers. I saw the first of those immaculate innings, and the pitcher seemed to be using the hitters' aggressiveness against them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 14:31:00 GMT -5
The Houston Astros had 2 pitchers throw immaculate innings (3 batters faced, 3 strike outs, 9 pitches thrown) in the same game, a MLB first. There have only been 108 immaculate innings in MLB history. It was 2 different pitchers, but the ironic part, it was the same three batters for the Rangers in each of the immaculate innings. -M Makes me think it was more about the hitters than the pitchers. I saw the first of those immaculate innings, and the pitcher seemed to be using the hitters' aggressiveness against them. Well that's what good pitchers do, know the hitters and use their tendencies against them. It's what makes a pitcher a pitcher and not a thrower. A lot of guys coming up throw the ball well but don't really know how to pitch. Pitching is about more than having stuff, it's about being able to locate the ball where you want it to go and knowing what pitch to throw and where to locate it in a given situation. I see so many pitchers pitching a guy outside when the defense is in an extreme shift to pull the ball, you have to wonder if the pitcher wants them to hit it opposite field into the hole where there are no defenders, but I know that's not even entering their thought process, it's how hard can I throw it and with how much spin rate. The goal in today's game is to get walks, strikeouts or home runs, and pitchers learn to pitch accordingly in the minors now, because that's how they're measured (and what they are paid for). Situational hitting and situational pitching are now products of a bygone age of baseball. But a good pitcher, who know what hitters are aggressive, can get batters to chase, and if you know which batters are more patient an tend to take pitches, you can throw a few get me over strikes early in the count and take advantage of that passivity to get ahead in the count. But too many guys now go out to the mound trained to just trust their stuff and never take into consideration batter tendencies, whether guys are good high ball or lowball hitters, like pitches inside or outside, etc. that's become the job of the sabermetric guys and their charts rather than practical applications and learning how to pitch. End of old man rant. -M
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 18, 2022 14:34:50 GMT -5
Makes me think it was more about the hitters than the pitchers. I saw the first of those immaculate innings, and the pitcher seemed to be using the hitters' aggressiveness against them. Well that's what good pitchers do, know the hitters and use their tendencies against them. It's what makes a pitcher a pitcher and not a thrower. A lot of guys coming up throw the ball well but don't really know how to pitch. Pitching is about more than having stuff, it's about being able to locate the ball where you want it to go and knowing what pitch to throw and where to locate it in a given situation. I see so many pitchers pitching a guy outside when the defense is in an extreme shift to pull the ball, you have to wonder if the pitcher wants them to hit it opposite field into the hole where there are no defenders, but I know that's not even entering their thought process, it's how hard can I throw it and with how much spin rate. The goal in today's game is to get walks, strikeouts or home runs, and pitchers learn to pitch accordingly in the minors now, because that's how they're measured (and what they are paid for). Situational hitting and situational pitching are now products of a bygone age of baseball. But a good pitcher, who know what hitters are aggressive, can get batters to chase, and if you know which batters are more patient an tend to take pitches, you can throw a few get me over strikes early in the count and take advantage of that passivity to get ahead in the count. But too many guys now go out to the mound trained to just trust their stuff and never take into consideration batter tendencies, whether guys are good high ball or lowball hitters, like pitches inside or outside, etc. that's become the job of the sabermetric guys and their charts rather than practical applications and learning how to pitch. End of old man rant. -M Hear hear! The thing that drives me crazy is everybody's obsession these days with nothing but power - home runs and strikeouts. Guys are throwing rather than pitching, guys are swinging for the fences, even with two strikes. Personally, I find home runs and strikeouts a bit boring. I want to see balls put in play! I've stopped watching game highlights because all they are show are - home runs and strikeouts.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 18, 2022 19:13:12 GMT -5
So far, this is turning out to be the greatest summer for Baseball in New York City.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2022 22:01:35 GMT -5
So far, this is turning out to be the greatest summer for Baseball in New York City. prefaced with... and tongue firmly in cheek for most of it! I'm loving it too, though probably not for the same reasons as you. For years and years and years, my friends who were Yankees fans would always say things like-it's the Yankees, the only thing that matters is championships. We've won so many, nothing else matters or is worth noticing. This summer, all those friends are posting crap about records in April, or dominant turns through the rotation, or about how many homers Judge hit in May or June, and I think...gee none of those things are championships, and if that's what Yankees fans are reduced to celebrating, its a sign of just how far the Yankees as a franchise have fallen. Sure the Yankees look good, but they're doing what they've done for the last couple decades, peaking too soon and fading when it counts, and they are reliant on Judge, and when was the last time he lasted for a full season? But to remind us of what classic Yankees are lie, we have the class and grace of Josh Donaldson to remind us of the true character of the Yankees organization. So yep, it's a great summer for New York baseball and seeing what it is now. It's great start, and the Yankees have gotten past being the paper tigers they were for the last few seasons, but the question is, can it last, and what happens when (not if) Judge hits the IL this season or Cole gets challenged for foreign substances again and goes into a several month funk like he did last year. Judge looks phenomenal this year, and is on pace to do something special if he stays healthy, but that's always the question with him. And of course it's the looming question of is this his Yankees swan song, and will he want to stay with an organization that accepts behavior like Donaldson's and have to be his teammate and be guilty by association? The Sox remain a hollow pretender, playing just well enough to give Red Sox nation hope so they can crush those dreams come August and September, and their window will close after this season as too many free agents will leave, so I am not that invested this year, but I still dutifully follow along as I have every season since '73, but I am enjoying Yankees fans grasping at straws like fans of other teams now because it's been so long since they actually won anything that matters. And the Mets, well, the Mets have been a strong first half team the last few seasons, but wind up being out of it by August most seasons, so will see how long they hang in there now that the injury bug is starting to bite them. But I hope Mets and Yankees fans have fun while it lasts. -M a loving Sox fan for life...
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 18, 2022 22:14:06 GMT -5
So far, this is turning out to be the greatest summer for Baseball in New York City. a loving Sox fan for life... I'd never had guessed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2022 2:27:17 GMT -5
For years and years and years, my friends who were Yankees fans would always say things like-it's the Yankees, the only thing that matters is championships. We've won so many, nothing else matters or is worth noticing. This summer, all those friends are posting crap about records in April, or dominant turns through the rotation, or about how many homers Judge hit in May or June, and I think...gee none of those things are championships, and if that's what Yankees fans are reduced to celebrating, its a sign of just how far the Yankees as a franchise have fallen. I totally take all of your comments in context, but having grown up in a hardcore Yankees household (even though we moved squarely into Red Sox territory when I was 7) I had to give some thought to this. Self-admittedly, I started to drift away from the MLB throughout the 2000's, becoming more of a "casual fan" to hardly watching at all these days (which is sad to me, baseball was always my favorite followed by hockey). So my comments are just a reflection on past years of "Yankee fandom". When I first remember seeing the Yankees as a little kid was in '76, and I was born in NYC to parents who had spent their whole lives there. My dad was a hardcore Yankees fan, I still have a baseball he got at the stadium in 1960 as a kid that was signed by the entire team (including Stengel!) What a year to become a fan! It could be said the franchise had fallen considerably up until that point with a 15 year drought in championships. The whole Munson/Jackson thing was fireworks of course, but darned if it wasn't an exciting time that yielded those two World Series wins before the tragic passing of Thurman. And then of course the franchise struggled for many, many years. The Winfield thing didn't pan out (not putting full blame on him, it was a number of factors), then the strike in 1981 and Jackson's departure ended things for a long time. And it was another long extended period without a championship again, the prior one having been 15 years, this one would go 18. So while all those "long ago" magnificent decades were still a big part of the legacy, can't say that my generation grew up used to being the perennial champs. The entire Mattingly era was pretty much like a lot of teams over the years that had a beloved star player, but never got the World Series victory to go with it. Now, the 90's of course changed all that with the Torre years. 4 championships in 5 years is a big statement, and was the last real dynasty of consequence. But what was really magic then...how few really big star players made it happen. Jeter was a good player and made things happen, but in a number of ways it was really about the heart and soul and leadership he brought. It was all these players just bringing the right level of game at the right time, more about leveraging folks like the Paul O'Neills than in the years that followed with falling back into "we need an A-Rod" (which was a terrible move for the team IMO). So yes, Yankees fans at that time could have the feeling it was like the "golden era" again with the multi-year championships piling up, and yeah, of course ultimately you want to see them keep coming. But I don't know if I'd say we had won so many, nothing else mattered. As I mentioned A-Rod, I was never excited about a victory with him on the team. And in fact, I hated the fact that Girardi was picked as manager over Mattingly, or even Pena for that matter! I actually DON'T celebrate their last championship in 2009 because, and I sadly totally predicted it at that time, it would lead to a long-term stint with Girardi that never brought another victory. So yes, I would agree the franchise has fallen again (though obviously a tremendous current season so far), but personally I've never felt it was a championship or nothing (even though you always hope for one). The Munsons, Mattinglys, and Jeters made being a Yankees fan extra special IMO. As a total aside, I'm the exceedingly odd duck who was raised a Yankee but doesn't hate the Red Sox. Went to plenty of Sox games over the years since I lived there, too many good memories. And likewise, a lot of players I've liked on that side over the years as well. These guys didn't get their championship on the team, but I was always a fan of players like Yaz, Fisk, Lynn, Rice, Boggs, and Clemens over the years (and yes, the latter two BEFORE they put the pinstripes on!)
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Post by dbutler69 on Jun 19, 2022 7:44:18 GMT -5
@jaska, I'm another Yankees fan who doesn't hate the Red Sox. I also tend to agree thar Girardi was only okay as a manager. Then again, I wasn't too thrilled over Aaron Boone, though he seems to be doing just fine this year.
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