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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 13, 2015 23:59:20 GMT -5
San Mateo kid. This is why it's hard to hate on Brady. Bay area roots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 7:37:27 GMT -5
BRONCOS FANS EVERYWHEREPEYTON MANNING will be back next season to play for the Denver Broncos other factors have to come to play before it's made official. According to sources he will be physically and mentally ready to play football period; sources indicates that. ESPN LinkPRO Football Talk
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 14, 2015 16:31:11 GMT -5
Meh. Moon played until he was 41 I think. A lot of these quarterbacks I expect to keep playing closer to 40-41 now instead of 36-38. They aren't taking as many hits and can last a lot longer than if this were the 80's or 90's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 21:07:22 GMT -5
Meh. Moon played until he was 41 I think. A lot of these quarterbacks I expect to keep playing closer to 40-41 now instead of 36-38. They aren't taking as many hits and can last a lot longer than if this were the 80's or 90's. Moon was actually 44 when he retired after the 2000 season. There's been some speculation that the Broncos would fail Manning on his physical to look to the future. Technically, they can actually fail him just because he's had 4 neck surgeries in the past. We know he wants to play next season, and odds are it will be with the Broncos, but I feel this should be his last year. On the off chance Denver does fail him, I'm sure he'll try to play somewhere else. Quite a few teams will be desperate for a QB. Though then again, are those teams Peyton would want to play for? He can go play for the Jets where old QBs go to die and young QBs get drafted stillborn. -M |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 15, 2015 1:31:09 GMT -5
Meh. Moon played until he was 41 I think. A lot of these quarterbacks I expect to keep playing closer to 40-41 now instead of 36-38. They aren't taking as many hits and can last a lot longer than if this were the 80's or 90's. Moon was actually 44 when he retired after the 2000 season. There's been some speculation that the Broncos would fail Manning on his physical to look to the future. Technically, they can actually fail him just because he's had 4 neck surgeries in the past. We know he wants to play next season, and odds are it will be with the Broncos, but I feel this should be his last year. On the off chance Denver does fail him, I'm sure he'll try to play somewhere else. Quite a few teams will be desperate for a QB. Though then again, are those teams Peyton would want to play for? Well the future will always be there. If you have one of the top 5 QB's of all time and he is still playing at a great level, you keep him as long as he wants to keep on returning. The absence of a true franchise running back continues to haunt the Broncos. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:50:19 GMT -5
Moon was actually 44 when he retired after the 2000 season. There's been some speculation that the Broncos would fail Manning on his physical to look to the future. Technically, they can actually fail him just because he's had 4 neck surgeries in the past. We know he wants to play next season, and odds are it will be with the Broncos, but I feel this should be his last year. On the off chance Denver does fail him, I'm sure he'll try to play somewhere else. Quite a few teams will be desperate for a QB. Though then again, are those teams Peyton would want to play for? Well the future will always be there. If you have one of the top 5 QB's of all time and he is still playing at a great level, you keep him as long as he wants to keep on returning. The absence of a true franchise running back continues to haunt the Broncos. The franchise running back is a dying breed in the NFL. Most RB these days have about a 3 year window of high productivity and few are in a position to cash in after their rookie contract. Look at DeMarco Murray...essentially offensive player of the year going into his walk year and everyone asks is he all used up at 29... AP, Gore, are the last of the franchise RBs still playing, and Gore is on his last legs, and AP will likely take a drastic pay cut and lesser role with another team if the Vikes decide to cut him. Lynch for all his issues and production hasn't been a franchise guy as he has bounced around not getting a second contract form any team and is now considering retiring. Shanahan (while with the Broncos coincidentally) started the trend of plug and play system runners and from that has grown the era of tandem backs not franchise backs. The Broncos don't need a franchise back, they need a line that can run block and a coordinator committed to the run. They can plug 3rd or 4th round pick back into the system and succeed if they have that. After seeing big backs like CJ2K fizzle once they get the money and lots of first round pick RBs under-perform, while undrafted free agent and lower round picks produce in the right system, teams are not going to devote high round picks and cap space to franchise running backs any longer. Not in the quarterback driven league and not with colleges using more and more spread formations that don't produce top round talent runners capable of succeeding in a pro style running game. What's hindered the Broncos is not a lack of a franchise back, but the continued inability of their O-line to pass protect and run block late in the season when the games matter the most. Their line is not big and strong enough to succeed on sheer power and once coaching staffs have had a chance to analyze their blocking schemes they can devise pressure schemes and run defenses to neutralize the protections stuffing the run and not giving Manning time to let routes develop. The deficiency is in line depth to keep them fresh and the ability of the staff to adapt as the season progresses so that they are least effective late when it matters most causing the Broncos to fall short every season of the Manning era. The deficiency is not in the quality of the RBs. The days of RBs like Emmett, Barry and even Terell Davis are long gone in the NFL and won't be seen again unless the game shifts away from the QB focus it has gained over the last 2 decades. -M |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 15, 2015 4:16:27 GMT -5
Well the future will always be there. If you have one of the top 5 QB's of all time and he is still playing at a great level, you keep him as long as he wants to keep on returning. The absence of a true franchise running back continues to haunt the Broncos. The franchise running back is a dying breed in the NFL. Most RB these days have about a 3 year window of high productivity and few are in a position to cash in after their rookie contract. Look at DeMarco Murray...essentially offensive player of the year going into his walk year and everyone asks is he all used up at 29... AP, Gore, are the last of the franchise RBs still playing, and Gore is on his last legs, and AP will likely take a drastic pay cut and lesser role with another team if the Vikes decide to cut him. Lynch for all his issues and production hasn't been a franchise guy as he has bounced around not getting a second contract form any team and is now considering retiring. Shanahan (while with the Broncos coincidentally) started the trend of plug and play system runners and from that has grown the era of tandem backs not franchise backs. The Broncos don't need a franchise back, they need a line that can run block and a coordinator committed to the run. They can plug 3rd or 4th round pick back into the system and succeed if they have that. After seeing big backs like CJ2K fizzle once they get the money and lots of first round pick RBs under-perform, while undrafted free agent and lower round picks produce in the right system, teams are not going to devote high round picks and cap space to franchise running backs any longer. Not in the quarterback driven league and not with colleges using more and more spread formations that don't produce top round talent runners capable of succeeding in a pro style running game. What's hindered the Broncos is not a lack of a franchise back, but the continued inability of their O-line to pass protect and run block late in the season when the games matter the most. Their line is not big and strong enough to succeed on sheer power and once coaching staffs have had a chance to analyze their blocking schemes they can devise pressure schemes and run defenses to neutralize the protections stuffing the run and not giving Manning time to let routes develop. The deficiency is in line depth to keep them fresh and the ability of the staff to adapt as the season progresses so that they are least effective late when it matters most causing the Broncos to fall short every season of the Manning era. The deficiency is not in the quality of the RBs. The days of RBs like Emmett, Barry and even Terell Davis are long gone in the NFL and won't be seen again unless the game shifts away from the QB focus it has gained over the last 2 decades. -M Well Murray's problem is that he was finally healthy for an entire season. It took him getting to 26 to do so and he came into the league at 23. I remember ten years ago when people said that the franchise back was a dying breed. In that time we've had Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Marshawn Lynch, Arian Foster, Jamal Charles, etc. Guys that churn out 1000 season year after year. Chris Johnson collapsed this past year, but he also had six straight 1000 yard seasons including a 2000 yard season until this past year. He's starting to break down at 29, which is about the right time for someone with the mileage he's acquired. Being on the Jets isn't helping either. If you have a good defense, a good rushing attack, and a decent passer (Seahawks, 49ers, Ravens, Giants the last four years) your chances of at least getting to the Super Bowl are great, and winning it very good. Notice how all the teams with superstar quarterbacks, but lack of a defense and a runner that can grind out the tough yards fail year after year. Brady finally broke that trend with a Seahawks goof, but other than that there is a reason why it's guys like Eli, Flacco, and Wilson winning rings instead of Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and Rivers every single year when they're breaking passing records season after season. Sure it's an offensive league, but those teams get stomped in the playoffs almost all the time. Usually they don't have a great D and lack a running back that scares anyone (Packers, Saints, Falcons, Chargers). Basically finesse teams. The last few years in the playoffs as a 49ers fan, I was never scared of teams like the Packers or Saints. It was the Giants, Ravens, Panthers, and Seahawks who matched up much better. I will say that teams definitely aren't using high draft choices on running backs anymore. For good reason of course. The lifespan just doesn't warrant the big money that is shelled out. And there are more committee teams more than anything now and days. That still doesn't mean you can't find a franchise back somewhere. When you have one you keep him. He's gold in the playoffs if you have a good defense and at least a decent passer. Someone like a Russell Wilson |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 5:27:28 GMT -5
of your franchise backs, none have been very good at making the post season on a regular basis like say Brady, Brees, MAnning, Rogers etc. i.e. the quarterbacks who drive teams to the playoffs year in and year out. 1,000 yard rushing seasons mean squat if your team doesn't make the playoffs. What RB has had the string of success to make a franchise a perennial playoff contender since Emmiitt, Thurman Thomas et. al.'s era without having a premiere quarterback actually being the franchise player?
-Chris Johnson-of those 6 1000 yards season he has made the playoffs once-2008 his rookie season, not his 2K yard season
-AP in his 8 seasons made the playoffs 3 times 2008, 2009, and 2012
-Gore didn't make the postseason until Harbaugh arrived basically, Smith has his 1 good season and they had Kapernick, and only 3 out of his 10 seasons
-Rice had the best makings of a franchise back as he made the playoffs in 5 of his 7 seasons but in only one of those postseasons was he a factor averaging more than 3.6 yards per carry, the rest he was a mediocre back averaging about 3 yds/carry in the post season
-Lynch made it 4 out of 8 seasons, but none with the Bills, only when he became part of an overall more talented team with better QB play did he find success
-Foster 2 of 6 seasons making the playoffs
-Charles 7 seasons 2 playoff appearances
-Steven Jackson 11 seasons 1 layoff appearance
if your a franchise back you build a successful franchise around them...that means making the playoffs more than 1 out of every 3 seasons on average These so called franchise backs had a combined 26 playoff appearances in 64 seasons (or approximately 40% of the time). Compare that with the playoff percentages of Brady, Manning, Brees, et. al. who are true franchise players for franchises that are routinely successful. NFL franchises are built on making the playoffs, not on building regular season stats, and aside from Rice (who is out of the game for other reasons now) none of those you point as franchise backs got their teams to the playoffs better than 50% of the time, and most considerably less. I am not wasting picks or cap space on a player who even if they have good statistical seasons doesn't give me better than a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 16, 2015 2:17:41 GMT -5
of your franchise backs, none have been very good at making the post season on a regular basis like say Brady, Brees, MAnning, Rogers etc. i.e. the quarterbacks who drive teams to the playoffs year in and year out. 1,000 yard rushing seasons mean squat if your team doesn't make the playoffs. What RB has had the string of success to make a franchise a perennial playoff contender since Emmiitt, Thurman Thomas et. al.'s era without having a premiere quarterback actually being the franchise player? -Chris Johnson-of those 6 1000 yards season he has made the playoffs once-2008 his rookie season, not his 2K yard season -AP in his 8 seasons made the playoffs 3 times 2008, 2009, and 2012 -Gore didn't make the postseason until Harbaugh arrived basically, Smith has his 1 good season and they had Kapernick, and only 3 out of his 10 seasons -Rice had the best makings of a franchise back as he made the playoffs in 5 of his 7 seasons but in only one of those postseasons was he a factor averaging more than 3.6 yards per carry, the rest he was a mediocre back averaging about 3 yds/carry in the post season -Lynch made it 4 out of 8 seasons, but none with the Bills, only when he became part of an overall more talented team with better QB play did he find success -Foster 2 of 6 seasons making the playoffs -Charles 7 seasons 2 playoff appearances -Steven Jackson 11 seasons 1 layoff appearance if your a franchise back you build a successful franchise around them...that means making the playoffs more than 1 out of every 3 seasons on average These so called franchise backs had a combined 26 playoff appearances in 64 seasons (or approximately 40% of the time). Compare that with the playoff percentages of Brady, Manning, Brees, et. al. who are true franchise players for franchises that are routinely successful. NFL franchises are built on making the playoffs, not on building regular season stats, and aside from Rice (who is out of the game for other reasons now) none of those you point as franchise backs got their teams to the playoffs better than 50% of the time, and most considerably less. I am not wasting picks or cap space on a player who even if they have good statistical seasons doesn't give me better than a 50/50 chance of making the playoffs. -M Whoa there partner. I never said running back was the most important position. It's a quarterback obviously. At least during the regular season. But a QB can't carry a mediocre team with an average defense and a runner that doesn't scare anyone. What we basically have is a bunch of early 90's Houston Oilers teams in the playoffs year after year. Rivers, Peyton Manning, Brees, and Rodgers should have multiple rings by now for all the records they set year in and year out with amount of awards they win. But they don't. You shut them down, you shut the team down. The ones that have won rings didn't even have their best season stat wise when they got them. Because they didn't have to with a solid team around them. The 2009 Saints, the 2010 Packers, the 2006 Colts, 2001 Patriots, 2003/2004 Patriots. Superstar QB's will get you to the playoffs of course. But it's the superstar QB's, or even just decent QB with a stellar D and respectable run game with a respectable runner that will take you places. Defense still wins championships. Sure the Packers will continue to make the playoffs. The Broncos will as long as Manning is around. Maybe the Chargers and Saints (although their time is starting to fade it seems). If their QB has to continuously do all the work though (which is what usually happens when they get that mega contract) then they'll just continue to crumble against more well-rounded teams like Baltimore or Seattle. Brady finally broke the mold though so good for him. And even though Flacco is the highest paid QB in the NFL, Ozzie Newsome continues to work his magic making Baltimore constantly well-rounded with solid drafts and free agent signings. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 16, 2015 2:27:50 GMT -5
-AP in his 8 seasons made the playoffs 3 times 2008, 2009, and 2012 Plus, even though that was his best TD season with 18, 2009 was not really a playoff year for Minnesota because of Peterson but because of Brett Favre. Peterson was down nearly 400 yards from the previous season, was down in yards per attempt, yards per game, and because of Favre he had fewer attempts per game. Plus he had 7 regular season fumbles and 2 costly post season fumbles. And PapaShogun I know with your comparison you said "guys like" Eli, Flacco, Wilson, etc. so you're not limiting yourself to those QBs, but nonetheless that group has 4 rings while the other group you mention without a "franchise running back" has 7 rings. Eli, Flacco, and Wilson may have won 3/4 of the most recent Super Bowls, but Brees and Rodgers won right before them, so they're not too far removed from being champions. And as far as the Giants' rushing game, I read that the Giants' rushing attack was ranked at 32 in the league during the 2011 season. They were dead last in several rushing categories and while they were nonetheless higher up in the TD category, they had fewer rushing TDs than the Patriots, who they beat in the Super Bowl. Yeah, but the Giants got it done in the playoffs. They also had a horrible defense that year. Especially their linebacker group was suffering really bad. I remember a blowout in New Orleans on Monday Night that year seemed to doom them the rest of the way. But they got healthy at the right time and went on another run. Eli was more of the catalyst the second time around than the first time where the defense sacked the shit out of everyone in 2007. Like I just posted, the megastar QB's will at least get you to the dance. So one of them has a chance to win a ring. But the teams that are most formidable aren't the ones with a superstar QB, a great passing attack and nothing else to show for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 15:36:36 GMT -5
Pretty wild trade deadline in the NBA. Glad the Pacers didn't get Dragic.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 19, 2015 22:16:17 GMT -5
Cubs spring training opened today, first workouts tomorrow.
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 20, 2015 16:18:55 GMT -5
Lots of interesting trades at the NBA deadline. I'm looking forward to seeing Arron Afflalo in a Blazers uniform.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 20:36:40 GMT -5
Lots of interesting trades at the NBA deadline. I'm looking forward to seeing Arron Afflalo in a Blazers uniform. 11 Trades and 37 players were involved in yesterday's transaction. One of the busiest Trade Deadlines in the past 10 years. |
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 20, 2015 22:27:27 GMT -5
Manny Pacquiao agrees to fight Floyd Mayweather; but Mayweather hasn't made his decision yet. If Mayweather backed out it will be most disappointing decision in Boxing History. I want that fight and if that doesn't happen; it will be a very sad day for Boxing Fans around the world. I think that this fight will never happen in my lifetime. |
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