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Post by Action Ace on Apr 4, 2015 19:49:21 GMT -5
With the release of its next issue, Princess Leia will pass Spider-Girl to become my most collected Marvel series ever with a female lead.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 4, 2015 19:52:54 GMT -5
You mean in terms of sales? That's actually kinda sad considering how many issues of Spidergirl there are.
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 4, 2015 19:57:31 GMT -5
You mean in terms of sales? That's actually kinda sad considering how many issues of Spidergirl there are. Issues 0 and 1, so Leia moves to the top with issue #3. However, it's still a massive sales gain with a female lead. Viva la Revolution!  |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Apr 6, 2015 9:13:21 GMT -5
Me too, a bit, but they work. My daughter literally jumped up and down when Ms. Marvel talked about 'shipping' Spiderman and Carol Danvers in her guest spot. It saddens me a bit to admit that I had to Google "shipping". After scrolling past a lot of ads for FedEx & UPS, I finally figured out what it was.
Reminds me of when I met my daughter's then-boyfriend while visiting her in college. He said something incomprehensible and when I didn't understand, he said it was in "leet" and he thought I was into technology and how could I possibly not know all about "leet". I explained to him the reason was that I was an adult. Not at all sad when my daughter realized what a jerk he was and they broke up.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 9:22:23 GMT -5
Kamala's language usually sounds authentic to me (I love when she throws "totes" into a sentence), but it does occasionally sound forced. Then again, if you listen to self conscious teenagers, how they say what they say is often forced too.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 6, 2015 9:49:39 GMT -5
'leet', or as properly spelled, 'l33t' is SO 2010.  And I agree with Shax, sometimes things sound a bit weird, but teenagers actually do sound a bit weird sometimes, especially when interacting with others of their species and trying to make sure they don't sound stupid, so, IMO, it totally works. It's about a 10,000% improvement of the 'hipspeak' back in the day in Teen Titans, that's for sure. |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 6, 2015 10:01:15 GMT -5
It's about a 10,000% improvement of the 'hipspeak' back in the day in Teen Titans, that's for sure.  |
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Post by the4thpip on Apr 7, 2015 2:16:58 GMT -5
With the release of its next issue, Princess Leia will pass Spider-Girl to become my most collected Marvel series ever with a female lead. I have like 80 issues of Ms Marvel, maybe 150 issues of She-Hulk, the original Firestar mini, the current Storm series etc etc etc. You missed out on a lot of good stuff. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 8, 2015 10:28:47 GMT -5
All dialogue in comics (and in fiction) is artificial, because actual realistic dialogue is painful to read and write (even writers who try to write more realistic than others tend to leave out the repetitions, stuttering and general rambling real people tend to do).
Slang, hipspeak, 1337, txtspeak: can be annoying when overdone, but I would say it'd be jarring not to see characters who would talk like that use it. This does not mean I'm going to give writers a pass when they write foreigners as talking english with random foreign words thrown in, as that's a different subject. My current object of hate: El Cazador's dutch cannoneer (nails on a chalkboard, nails on a chalkboard).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 14:23:01 GMT -5
An interesting tidbit about digital sales of Marvel's girl revolution comics released by Comixology and picked up for a story by BC... BC articlerelevant bits... -M |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2015 7:06:56 GMT -5
I think some of it is being done so they can say they did it... this way the next time someone says 'they're aren't enough female leads!' they can point out when they tried it. OTOH, you're absolutely correct that females are the growing market... if they want to capture, say, my daughter and her buddies who love manga, they need to have something that resembles it a bit more. Ms. Marvel totally fits that bill. Perhaps Spider-Gwen does, too (I haven't read that) I think they trick is finding those new readers without losing the old ones. Yes! I love Ms. Marvel (only have read the first TPB, and am not sure if I am going to catch up and start pulling currents or just trade wait). Having a teenager in my home who reads comics has caused me to be a bit more open-minded about books geared towards a younger audience. This book, imo, is spot-ON. It's very cute, fun, and well done. I haven't read Spider-Gwen yet, but as a female, I'm liking more pushed female books. However, there is a fine line there that Marvel has to be very careful with. A powerful female does not equate a woman doing whatever she wants and being ridiculous. I hope Marvel doesn't cross that line. It's why I hope they do not give Emma Frost her own book because I can only imagine the train wreck that'll be. I don't mind change. I don't mind different. But it has to be done well and not mindlessly. Marvel has impressed me so far with Ms. Marvel. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 9, 2015 7:55:57 GMT -5
An interesting tidbit about digital sales of Marvel's girl revolution comics released by Comixology and picked up for a story by BC... BC articlerelevant bits... -M 4 of the 7 are Ms. Marvel, so I'm not sure one title makes a revolution. Also, we don't know how they're marketing... if they have a 'if you like Ms. Marvel, you might like these titles' type box like Amazon does, and those titles are Silk and Thor, it's not really an unbiased sample.. it just proves what we already knew... Ms. Marvel is a hot property. Also, I think just a top ten isn't as relevant as actual numbers, but yeah, price point is a big issue. I'd LOVE to see Marvel or DC take a couple titles and price them at $1.99 for a year and see how the sales run.. perhaps they're right in that $3.99 books get then the most income, but if they try the lower point, we can all try to rally around whatever title that might be and perhaps effect some change  |
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Post by shaxper on Apr 10, 2015 7:44:10 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to see Marvel or DC take a couple titles and price them at $1.99 for a year and see how the sales run.. perhaps they're right in that $3.99 books get then the most income, but if they try the lower point, we can all try to rally around whatever title that might be and perhaps effect some change This is an excellent time for Marvel to test returning to the indirect market. If they worked out a deal with all the Wal marts, targets, Sam's clubs, and major pharmacy chains to put a handful of high interest general audience titles appealing to a fresh demographic on their magazine racks at a lower price point, they might have an opportunity to make comics a bigger money maker than they have been in years. Girls are buying these comics, but girls generally steer clear of musty comic shops run by old creepy guys who leer at every woman who walks in. If you ask me, it was never that comics were too male oriented; it's the traditional LCS that's too male oriented, and so, when comics went primarily direct market, they chased away anyone who wasn't an adolescent or adult male and then adapted their comics to better suit that specific audience. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 10:29:14 GMT -5
I'd LOVE to see Marvel or DC take a couple titles and price them at $1.99 for a year and see how the sales run.. perhaps they're right in that $3.99 books get then the most income, but if they try the lower point, we can all try to rally around whatever title that might be and perhaps effect some change This is an excellent time for Marvel to test returning to the indirect market. If they worked out a deal with all the Wal marts, targets, Sam's clubs, and major pharmacy chains to put a handful of high interest general audience titles appealing to a fresh demographic on their magazine racks at a lower price point, they might have an opportunity to make comics a bigger money maker than they have been in years. Girls are buying these comics, but girls generally steer clear of musty comic shops run by old creepy guys who leer at every woman who walks in. If you ask me, it was never that comics were too male oriented; it's the traditional LCS that's too male oriented, and so, when comics went primarily direct market, they chased away anyone who wasn't an adolescent or adult male and then adapted their comics to better suit that specific audience. Marvel did sort of try Wal Mart out last year putting four normally $15 GN (Spidey-Big Time, Avengers (Bendis/Romita Jr.) Vol. 1, Guardians of the Galaxy, and Cap: Winter Soldier) in Wal Mart for $5 each as part of the release of Amazing Spider-Man 2 on DVD (at least that's where they were supposed to be racked). Not sure how well that went or if it will lead to more Wal Mart releases. The problem with floppies in those places is the same as it was for comics when they were 12 cents to a quarter or so...even at $3.99 the price point isn't worth the time and effort it takes a retailer to pay someone to maintains the section when new issues come in, old issues have to be pulled off, etc. Even most general magazines in the small periodical section that box stores maintain are priced double that and lower price items are usually set at impulse purchase items in checkout lanes and Wal Mart usually use that space for candy, soda and other consumable items that are more likely to see on an impulse than reading material. So even if Marvel wants to get boos back in there, there's no guarantee those places want to carry them. Graphic novels at least have a worthwhile price point in most cases and I do see things like Walking Dead trades in those places from time to time, but aside form an occasional Archie Digest at a checkout counter from time to time, I don't see comics in those places, not even those from companies who are still maintaining a newsstand presence. All those places you mention have shrinking magazine sections if they have one at all anymore, and only the top sellers or things of local interest get any space it seems, so what incentive do those places have to carry a selection of comics from Marvel (or anyone else)? -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 10, 2015 11:05:34 GMT -5
As much as I would LOVE to see spinner racks again, I agree with MRP, I don't think they're worth the time... the last time I saw them (5-6 years ago) in a supermarket they were really sad... the books were all beat up, and most were several months out of date, as if the store tried one order, wasn't pleased with the results, and figured they'd jut leave it there 'till it was empty.
One place they might work is vacation spots... the gift shops at amusement parks, maybe even airports.. they could send them stuff at the beginning of a season, and hopefully sell it out. A $3.99 comic would be a real bargain placed against $20 spinny lightup swords and the other junk you usually find at those places.
I think the way to get back into stores like Walmart and Target are trades... perhaps even manga-sized ones. Marvel started doing this a bit with Runaways and Ultimate Spidey a while back, but then stopped...now the only think you see in that format is comics to match the cartoons.
Perhaps now is the time to try again with stuff like Hawkeye, Ms. Marvel and Star Wars.
Or maybe they could try something like Cross Gen tried in the direct market... do some sort of big anthology title that houses 7 or 8 issues from different series for $8-$10. There could be an Avengers one with Avengers proper, Iron Man, Thor and Cap, and X-Men one with a few of those titles, etc. That's how manga is sold originally (though that format is far more successful in Japan than here).
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