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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 27, 2015 12:09:25 GMT -5
Jacques, I don't know of any site that has better quality scans than what is available on the GCD... sorry. What I search are the original pictures that were used for the covers, like we can find in this forum, but the list is incomplete... link I just tried a search for "savage sword of conan" at www.comicartfans.com/ and got 873 results. Most of them are story pages but there are some covers there.
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Post by berkley on Oct 27, 2015 15:20:36 GMT -5
I was going to say constipation, but alien anal probing is more suitable for a Weird Tales character! I was thinking something along the lines of "Who the Crom stole my dentures?!!"
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Post by berkley on Oct 27, 2015 15:24:22 GMT -5
But you cannot rationally have contempt for the basic facts of reality: you cannot rationally have contempt for the law of gravity that will kill you if you don't pay attention to where you place your next step as you walk along the edge of a cliff. That, in a crude way, is what the Homeric gods have always seemed to me to represent: the most basic, unavoidable aspects of the universe, of reality itself, which must always be distinguished from man-made "laws", much as their makers would have us believe they are as eternal and unbreakable as the laws of physics. But of course you can, and poets and visionaries have had, much contempt for the basic facts of reality (Newtonian gravity not excluded). This is at the heart of the existential, indeed modern, condition. The Romantics were not immune either. Perhaps too the mystic pursuit. It is of the exaltation of the irrational and the whimisical that we see modern man in revolt of both natural and scientific law. If you haven't ever yet check out the works of Dostoevsky or even Kierkegaard for an attempt (whether they succeed or not is up to the reader)to legitimize the irrational in human affairs. But by Crom we are straying afield from Roquefort's kingdom! Thanks for the reply benday-dot. I would like to continue this conversation if you're interested but perhaps this isn't the right thread for it? Maybe I'll transfer it to the Community Board, if there's a philosophy thread or something like that over there.
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Post by benday-dot on Oct 27, 2015 19:28:28 GMT -5
But of course you can, and poets and visionaries have had, much contempt for the basic facts of reality (Newtonian gravity not excluded). This is at the heart of the existential, indeed modern, condition. The Romantics were not immune either. Perhaps too the mystic pursuit. It is of the exaltation of the irrational and the whimisical that we see modern man in revolt of both natural and scientific law. If you haven't ever yet check out the works of Dostoevsky or even Kierkegaard for an attempt (whether they succeed or not is up to the reader)to legitimize the irrational in human affairs. But by Crom we are straying afield from Roquefort's kingdom! Thanks for the reply benday-dot. I would like to continue this conversation if you're interested but perhaps this isn't the right thread for it? Maybe I'll transfer it to the Community Board, if there's a philosophy thread or something like that over there. If I have the time (in much short supply these days I fear!) I'll gladly pick up the discussion. I have a huge respect for your carefully considered and exceptionally learned opinions berk. And your presentation of them in such a well written manner is a treat as well.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 1, 2015 11:53:41 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #147, April 1988 Cover by Joe Jusko, with Conan as gladiator. The coins are particularly realistic, but that thorny wristband looks extremely dangerous… to its wearer! Table of contentsVulture’s shadow, in which Conan’s rise in the Nemedian ruling class continues Rites of passage, a gorgeously-drawn Kull story ---------------------------------------------- Vulture’s shadowScript by Charles Dixon Art by Gary Kwapisz and Ernie Chan No, this story does not feature the return of Mikhal Oglu, who was last seen in “The shadow of the Vulture" (CtB #23). The vulture here is just the bird, well-fed after the many military operations that we will witness. As seen last issue, Conan is a popular gladiator in the arenas of Belverus, Nemedia’s capital. He is also secretly the lover of the new empress, Auraldia, who gained her position when her husband fell victims to his own machinations. Conan and his surviving friends, the warrior woman Vestalia and a big silent Kushite, prove equal to their reputation… to the delight of empress Auraldia, but not to that of ambitious general Phades who sees a potential rival in the Cimmerian. And Phades is not wrong, for after a particularly spectacular show in the arena, Conan is offered a generalship by Auraldia. (I like the way Kwapisz and Chan give Auraldia a distinctive face). The Cimmerian, initially reluctant to give up his rather pleasant life as a star of the arena, eventually accepts the offer. He demands that his Kushite friend be granted his freedom as well, to act as his bodyguard. The relation between Conan and Auraldia is a little stormy, as the Cimmerian doesn’t enjoy being bossed around. Still, the empress has her way for a while and the barbarian has to endure state banquets and assorted official functions (where he proves that you can take the man out of Cimmeria, but not Cimmeria out of the man). Hoping to humiliate what he sees as an uncouth barbarian, Phades publicly asks Conan how he would deal with the situation on the Brythunian border, where Nemedian troops have met several setbacks. Conan rises to the challenge, and proposes to attack all the Brythunian cities close to the border, cities that keep resupplying the Brythunian armies. The military men present like the plan, but Phades sees in their approval another opportunity to harm Conan’s status: he suggests that he be made the leader of the troops fighting on the border. Everyone agrees, and the empress has to relent in her desire to keep Conan as a palace-bound general. Conan is rather pleased with this development, for he hated the idea of being a general without an army. His satisfaction is short-lived, however, when he finds out that the legion he is given is manned by a discouraged, ill-trained and unruly rabble. As in the story “ fear of crom” (SSoC #108), Conan’s rough hand quickly whips his troops into shape. He breaks their lack of discipline, forces them to train and little by little instills a certain sense of pride into them. That last point is helped by his leading them to early victories against the Brythunians. After taking an important enemy fort, Conan goes to meet his fellow Nemedian generals. He confronts them about their indecisiveness, and basically tells them (and Phades in particular) that they’re all pampered pussies unfit to lead an army. This is naturally very poorly received by Phades, who engineers a murder attempt on the life of his rival. The courage of Conan’s squire saves the Cimmerian’s hide, but at the cost of the lad’s own life. Conan next tells his legion that honour demands he avenge his man. It is his however his own personal fight and no one has to follow him into what could be seen as a treasonous act. Such is Conan’s popularity that all agree to go with him, even if it means clashing with Phades’ ninth legion. Conan forces Phades into a duel, and although the general proves to be a better swordsman that expected he ends up as dead as all of Conan’s opponents. The ninth legion is then offered a choice: try to kill Conan to avenge their own leader, or join him in his further attacks on Brythunia. Considering that they’d rather fight for a real soldier than a pompous jackass, the legionnaires swear fealty to the Cimmerian. Notes: - I had wondered earlier whether this hard-to-place period in Conan’s life (which I personally would simply consider to be out of continuity) was set after the preceding Dixon stories. Since Dixon had already shown Conan as a scout on the Aquilonian border with the Pictish wilderness but had not yet shown Conan become a general there (shortly preceding his ascension to the throne of Aquilonia), we were to suppose that there was an interlude during Conan’s career as a scout, an interlude that would have to be crammed into his 39th or 40th year. Here Conan mentioned having fought along Thunder river as a mercenary, and so it looks as if this is indeed what we are meant to think. -------------------------------------------- Rites of passageScript and art by William Johnson Johnson has done many pin-ups in this mag, and illustrated a few short story. His artwork is very detailed, and here he creates a beautiful piece of art. Kull is challenged by Cyrton, the young commander of the Black Legion. Inspired by the example of Kull’s own rise, the younger man doesn’t see why he couldn’t try to gain Valusia’s crown by fighting its wearer in single combat, as Kull did years earlier with King Borna. The brash challenge infuriates Kull’s friends, but a nobleman acting as Cyrton’s counsel argues that Kull’s rise to the throne set a legal precedent. Kull understands that Cyrton is probably manipulated by the nobleman and (very likely) by other political malcontents. At the same time, he admires the young man’s ambition, and tries to dissuade him from following such a mad plan. Concluding that refusing the challenge would suggest that Kull feared Cyrton, the king accepts the fight. He is hard pressed by his opponent, for Cyrton is a younger and quicker fighter. He is however not as experienced as the king, who tricks Cyrton into going for a minor opening that causes Kull to endure a slight wound, but opens up Cyrton for a devastating blow. The king cuts off his wounded enemy’s head, and we understand that Cyrton’s lawyer will soon understand why Kull’s motto is “by this axe I rule”. A very good tale, exquisitely drawn, and mixing action with philosophical issues… just the kind of things I like to see in a Kull story. Full marks for Johnson, who also provides two pin-ups for this issue.
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Post by berkley on Nov 3, 2015 2:03:44 GMT -5
The guy holding his head in the lower left corner of that Jusko cover looks almost as much like Conan as Conan himself!
Still not taking to Kwapisz's artwork, though in these latest samples I think the problem may be partly a mis-match of styles between him and Ernie Chan. I particularly dislike his faces and figure-work. The double-page spread looks nice, though. Landscapes and panoramas seem to be his strong point.
The Kull story sounds and looks pretty good, though I would prefer more detail in the backgrounds; or simply a background - any background at all! - rather than just a blank white space behind the figures. Still, reviews like this make me glad I finally broke down and bought the Dark Horse collections of Marvel's black & white Kull stories. About that fight, though: it seems to me that an axe wouldn't be a very good weapon to use against a sword, so no wonder Kull was having a hard time against his younger opponent.
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Post by jbruel0 on Nov 4, 2015 3:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 4, 2015 6:37:31 GMT -5
The guy holding his head in the lower left corner of that Jusko cover looks almost as much like Conan as Conan himself! Still not taking to Kwapisz's artwork, though in these latest samples I think the problem may be partly a mis-match of styles between him and Ernie Chan. I particularly dislike his faces and figure-work. The double-page spread looks nice, though. Landscapes and panoramas seem to be his strong point. The Kull story sounds and looks pretty good, though I would prefer more detail in the backgrounds; or simply a background - any background at all! - rather than just a blank white space behind the figures. Still, reviews like this make me glad I finally broke down and bought the Dark Horse collections of Marvel's black & white Kull stories. About that fight, though: it seems to me that an axe wouldn't be a very good weapon to use against a sword, so no wonder Kull was having a hard time against his younger opponent. In Kull's defense, I can only say that Cyrton started the fight with a small flail; it's only after Kull took it away from him that he drew his sword. The king, being sporty and all (I suppose) didn't cry foul. Noboby will say that Kull backed out of a fight, by Valka! Regarding Kwapisz's art: while I like the way he seems to use photo references for his characters' faces, I agree that his strong point is definitely his landscapes. Kwapisz and Chan were not a good match: in my opinion, while they both have their strengths, they do not complement their respective shortcomings. Kwapisz was much better served by his own inks, and Chan works better with a very dynamic penciller like Buscema. In just a few issues we'll get art by Grindberg and McLeod, who will provide a nice change. Variety used to be SSoC's main qualitites, after all.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 7, 2015 13:19:53 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #148, May 1988 Cover by Doug Beekman, in the Frazetta tradition. Frontispiece by William Johnson, who also provides a pin-up inside the mag. Good work. Table of contents:Besieger of cities, the climax of Conan’s improbable career as Nemedia’s most important military leader Host of the serpent cult, in which Kull faces the serpent men once again.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 7, 2015 13:31:10 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #149Besieger of citiesScript by Charles Dixon Art by Gary Kwapisz and Ernie Chan. This third and final story chronicling a continuity-straining period in which Conan rises from the status of successful gladiator to that of Nemedian general is supposed to happen between the time he was a scout in Conajohara and the time he gained the crown of Aquilonia. During the course of this story, we witness the Cimmerian’s continued success against the Brythunian armies. Thanks to his cunning, Conan manages to take Brythunian city after Brythunian city, gaining huge popularity in Nemedia but becoming more and more of a perceived threat to his lover, Nemedia’s empress Auraldia. Dixon adapts parts of the Saga of Harald Hardrada in this story (with no reference to the original, however). This tale by Icelandic writer Snorri Sturlusson features a Norse king who, before meeting his end in England shortly before the battle of Hastings, had a a career that was amazingly close to Conan’s own. In fact, I am hard pressed to think of any historical character who would be closer to Conan than Hardrada. Mercenary soldier for Constantinople’s emperor, besieger of cities, later king of Norway, Harald was a brash and bold adventurer (although one not quite as intelligent as the Cimmerian, if we are to trust certain historians). The art bt Kwapisz and Chan is serviceable, but by no means either gentleman’s best work. Auraldia still has her distinct face, though, for which I am grateful. As we begin, Conan’s forces take a heavily fortified city thanks to a clever strategy. This should be good news to the empress, but it is clear that the honeymoon is over and that she now sees her barbaric lover as a political threat. She has even replaced him with a new lover. Conan doesn’t really care for palace intrigues, and he just goes from victory to victory. To take a certain “holy” city, he feigns a severe illness and has his men spread the false rumour that bed-ridden, facing his imminent death, he wants to convert and be buried in the city he was so unjustly besieging. (That’s the part taken from Sturlusson’s story). The gullible lords of the city agree when Conan’s conversion is promised to come with a sizeable monetary gift. When Conan’s bier is brought into town, it is suddenly revealed that the man is very much alive and that his heavy stretcher is filled with weapons, on which his pallbearers jump at the opportune moment. The city quickly falls. So great is Conan’s fame, now, that other cities prefer to surrender outright rather than face his troops; rulers who mean to resist are murdered by their own people. This string of successes causes Conan to be summoned to Belverus, Nemedia’s capital. A wise soldier urges Conan not to go, since the empress now accuses him of treason openly; but the Cimmerian doesn’t intend to show any fear and decides to go anyway. He brings with him his silent Kushite friend, a Vanirman named Graf and a cohort of his ninth legion. In Belverus, it is a triumph that awaits the Cimmerian. As the ungrateful Auraldia relieves Conan of his duties, the Cimmerian finds that he cannot count on the fidelity of his own men to back him up: most of them have been bribed into turning against him. Not all of the legionnaires are so feckless, though: Graf and a few others manage to free Conan and his kushite companion before they can be brought all the way to the dungeons. Still true to his men even if they turned their coat, Conan finds them at their revels and points out that their weapons have been taken away and that they are certainly not meant to survive the night. The disconsolate soldiers agree to follow Conan once again, and together they boldly make their way to Auraldia’s chambers and take the empress hostage. (Aurladia’s new lover is thrown off a balcony). Escaping with the empress, the legionnaires make their way to the city’s port (yes, yes, the city’s port) and commandeer a ship. The port’s access is controlled by two towers between which a heavy chain can be drawn, but Conan’s ship manages to just make it to the open sea before the chain is lifted all the way. A pursuing galley is however wrecked when it hits the links. Auraldia tries a desperate ploy, pretending that this was all a misunderstanding, but Conan dumps her overboard. Notes: - Well, if placing this story in an appropriate time during Conan’s life wasn’t enough of a problem, now we have to explain how Belverus can have an open sea port (and how Nemedia can have a navy). We are not told how it would be possible for the Cimmerian to reach such a level of fame in Nemedia and become a complete unknown by the time he faced the Nemedians when he became king of Aquilonia. Conan's earlier dealings with the Nemedian royal family (especially a young prince Tarascus, as depicted in the graphic novel "The witch queen of Acheron"), are not mentioned... and are even very hard to reconcile with the existence of an empress Auraldia. And Nemedia isn't an empoire anyway, it's a kingdom. I won’t even try to explain all that, no-prize or no no-prize. I'll just consider these few issues to be of dubious canonicity! Host of the serpent cultScript by Charles Dixon Art by Vince Giarrano and Vince Colletta. Oh, boy. After Johnson’s great art last issue, now we have some of the worst artwork I’ve seen in SSoC. Giarrano’s pencils are very economical and full of short-cuts, unless they were erased by Colletta… who provides inks that might have been produced in a single day. The story is quite unsatisfying. Kull’s nightmares have convinced him that the serpent men have returned, but nobody believes him. However it is soon clear that a huge army of serpent men is on the march, headed for the city of wonders. That’s it! Using the serpent men again, and especially in such a fashion, really doesn’t fit well with the way they were shown previously: a hidden threat, one that could wear the face of anyone. Here they’re just another army, operating openly. And where did those guys come from? They were supposed to be basically wiped out after Kull the conqueror #2! Oh, well.
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Post by berkley on Nov 7, 2015 18:44:39 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #148, May 1988 Cover by Doug Beekman, in the Frazetta tradition. Frontispiece by William Johnson, who also provides a pin-up inside the mag. Good work. Table of contents:Besieger of cities, the climax of Conan’s improbable career as Nemedia’s most important military leader Host of the serpent cult, in which Kull faces the serpent men once again. Pretty good Frazetta imitation there, reminiscent of some of the early Vallejo SSoC covers.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2015 21:39:30 GMT -5
Savage sword of Conan #149, June 1988 Cover by Doug Beekman and a very odd-looking frontispiece by Mort Todd, the editor-in-chief of Cracked magazine at the time (it’s uncredited, but signed). (Somehow I can’t believe that Conan managed to kill that dragon with nothing but a spear… I mean, it’s a big dragon!!!) Table of contentsSlaves of the circle, following Conan’s escape from the nemedian navy… all the way to Kush. Traitor’s gold, continuing Kull’s resistance against a reborn (and suddenly quite numerous) snake-men army.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2015 21:47:29 GMT -5
SSoC #149 ------------- Slaves of the circleScript by Chuck Dixon (it’s the first time he goes by “Chuck” in this mag). As Gary Kwapisz and Ernie Chan take a breather, they are replaced this issue by Tom Grindberg and Bob McLeod. Grindberg was still in his Neal Adams-clone phase, but hey, some of my favourite artists (Bill Sienkiewicz and Dave Sim, among others) also went through such a phase. Besides, Grindberg does a good Adams impression. The inking by McLeod is quite impressive; it’s very crisp, and is made even better by an excellent use of gray tones. Last issue, we saw Conan at the apex of his career as Nemedia’s top military leader and witnessed his loss of favour with his boss and lover, empress Auraldia. (A reader would later comment in the lettercol that Nemedia isn’t an empire, something that’s absolutely true; furthermore, I really can’t place empress Auraldia anywhere in the established continuity. But we’ll return to that later). Fleeing Belverus on a boat with the few surviving members of his legion, including his silent friend the unnamed Kushite he met when he worked as a gladiator prior to his rise as a military man, Conan is pursued by the Nemedian navy (I kid you not) all the way to the uncharted backwaters and swamps of the Kushite coast. Sailing further and further inland, the fugitives reach a village where the natives are ready to receive them with a flight of arrows… until the silent Kushite intervenes and calls to the archers! It turns out the man (whose name we learn is Nboro) could talk all along; it’s just that his tongue tends to get him in trouble, and so he prefers never to say anything if he can help it! Conan and Nboro are a big hit with the villagers, and the Cimmerian makes a new friend in the person of Mguto, the local shaman, who has learned the Shemitish language when he travelled north as a younger man. (Great art on Mguto’s face here, don’t you think?) The reason the fleeing legionnaires were received so warily initially is that the village has been plagued by attacks from slavers; seeing white-skinned people approaching their home, they assumed Conan and his friends were in that repugnant line of work. Luckily for Mguto's folk, the villagers can sometimes count on the help of were-creatures who live in the forest. They did free a man from a slaver, but apart from that they mostly make noise in the forest. The next day, Conan and several men go hunting. They are attacked by, and fall prey to, the infamous slavers mentioned earlier and are taken in chains to a newly-built city not too far away. The place was erected recently by a Shemite warlord named Kuagira, who led his band of slayers south to carve a small kingdom in the jungles of Kush. This nascent kingdom (which is still a gang of thugs, really) is called “the circle”. Conan is forced to work the fields as a human ox, and his defiant attitude prompts his keepers to abuse him and deprive him of water and food. Eventually, the Cimmerian’s good looks attract the eye of Kuagira’s woman, the lady Nharo. Nboro pokes fun at his comrade, insisting that the queen spies on the Cimmerian as a young girl does at her first love. And Nboro isn’t wrong, for pretty soon Conan is summoned to attend the lady! Nharo turns out to be a pretty decent person and she and the Cimmerian engage in a torrid affair (with the complicity of a few chosen guardsmen). The affair is naturally doomed from the start, and when Kuagira finds out that he’s been cuckolded he murders Nharo right in front of Conan. Conan tries to jump the warlord but is once again stopped by the man’s Shemite soldiers. The Cimmerian is dragged to a chopping block where he is to lose his hands, prior to the amputation of any other bodily part that might have touched the queen. Lucky for the Cimmerian, just at that moment his friends from Mguto’s village attack the city. Conan chases after Kuagira but fails to catch him. Mguto’s people, Nboro and Conan return triumphant to the village, where a new ship will have to be built; Kuagira’s forces have in the meantime burned the previous one. As for the warlord himself, he flees to the jungle where he swears to raise a new army to crush the interfering Kushites. Bad idea: this boast is heard by the were-people of the forest, who put an end to the man’s threat forever. (Note that the artists signed their story. I think it is quite understandable considering the nice work they put in it). Notes: - Trying to fit this story (and the others preceding and following it) in the chronology is probably an exercise in futility, as Dixon seems to follow his own timeline for Conan’s career. We are technically in an interval between Conan’s arrival as an Aquilonian scout on the Pictish border and the stories “ Beyond the Black river”, “ The treasure of Tranicos” and “ Conan the liberator” (in which he becomes king). All of these stories should occur when the man is about 39 or 40 years old. However, during that short year, Conan must have had time to have a new career as a pirate with Valeria, a new stint as a wanderer in Vanaheim, a career as a star gladiator in Belverus and a meteoric rise to the rank of general in the Nemedian army. He must have had time to lead a successful campaign against Brythunia, and then to sail all the way to Kush. In a few issues we’ll learn that he’ll spend more than a year in the wild down south. That’s one busy year!!! - This month’s story is beautifully drawn, but storywise Conan comes across as a rather ineffectual fellow. He loses fight after fight and accepts his fate as a slave as long as he’s having an affair with Nharo. That strikes me as very un-Conan like; the Cimmerian would never accept slavery so meekly, and even if he loses a fight from time to time it’s rare that he has such a bad hitting average. - Nboro’s explanation that he never speaks because his tongue always lands him in trouble is very funny, but from that point on there’s no shutting him up. That’s a bit odd. - The spirit protectors of the village play basically no role in the story, apart from cleaning up after Conan at the end. They will also be no help at all in a future issue in which the village is threatened.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 19, 2015 21:48:45 GMT -5
SSoC #149 ------------- Traitor’s goldScript by Charles Dixon Art by Dale Eaglesham The City of wonders is besieged by an army of Serpent Men. Rich merchants try to hoard food, and when Kull confiscates their goods to give them to the starving population some decide to turn their coat and sell out to the invaders. Kull is aware of this and feeds false information to a traitor, whose words cause the Serpent Men to lose a great many soldiers in a failed attack the Valusian were expecting. The traitor is seen as a spy by the Serpent Men, who flay him alive. The artwork by Eaglesham is stunning and quite unconventional. I really like it, even if I don’t particularly care for any return of the Serpent Men.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 19, 2015 22:12:33 GMT -5
Good old Chuck.
If there's a more underrated writer of the funny books...I haven't found him.
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