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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 25, 2015 21:26:28 GMT -5
Auctions are okay just as long as you don't get caught up in the fever. Just bid what you want to pay and no more.
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 25, 2015 22:44:11 GMT -5
I can see why people would get annoyed by sniping, and it always sucks to lose in the last seconds (happened to me more than once, even when sniping), but in my opinion it's a perfectly legitimate way to win an auction. Personally, I always found it strange that it never occurs to more people that whenever you have an auction with a fixed time limit, the most strategic time to bid would be in the closing seconds after everyone else has already shown their hands. And sniping is not a guarantee to win because you're still only bidding the max you're comfortable paying. I always put items I'm interested in on my watch list, and only snipe a bid if stays within my comfort zone. If there's a bidding war and prices escalate beyond what I'm willing to pay, I remove it from my watch list. Sniping does give you some advantage, but at the end of the day the person who is willing to pay more is the one who will win. I've lost more than one auction where I sniped in the closing seconds, only to have eBay inform me that I was outbid because their previous max bid was set higher than my snipe. I hate sniping. But there is a reason for it: Shilling. That's when the person running the auction has a second account where they bid up their own items. It's against the ebay rules, but lots of shady sellers do it anyway. For exam.le, lets say the current bid is $2. You decide you're willing to pay $15, so you enter a max bid of $15. The shill account would then put in fake bids to jack the price up to $15 so you pay the full amount rather than getting a deal. This is why some buyers use sniper-bots, so they can get in a bid at the last second and prevent shillers from jacking the price up further. Personally, I just decide what I am willing to pay and enter that amount; if I get it, fine, if not, I'll just keep trying on other auctions. But as much as I hate sniping, there is at least one legit reason to do it. It's not just shills that drive the prices up though. Sometimes it is people who are new to eBay. I often see auctions where there's a frenzy of activity in the first day or so and the price for the item gets driven up really high. A lot of times, it's people with low feedback numbers, i.e., people who haven't completed many transactions on eBay. Honestly, that can be frustrating at times. Experienced bidders looking to land a deal will usually sit back and see the lay of the land, maybe place a low bid to test the waters before committing to a higher one, but that all goes to &%$# when new users drive the price up in the early hours.
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Post by Action Ace on Apr 26, 2015 0:05:23 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever been on ebay's website. Certainly not on purpose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 1:45:36 GMT -5
They're using sniping software. Either bid your absolute max early or use sniping software yourself. I bid my max early. I win plenty of auctions. Sometimes I feel like I've been shilled though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 1:48:52 GMT -5
It has been suggested that eBay alter their auction method so every time a new bid is placed the clock dials back an hour or so. Sniping wouldn't be an issue anymore, and eBay could milk those last few bids out of an auction. You ever see an auction end at a way low price because time ran out while you were bidding? That wouldn't happen anymore. I don't know why eBay doesn't like that format. It's what live auctions do. When there's a bidding frenzy on an item, they'll draw it out until the last bidder has given up. They'll try to talk the crowd up and encourage one last bid. eBay just flat out ends it at the most frenzied moment of the auction.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 26, 2015 6:44:55 GMT -5
I never go to ebay for something I need. Instead, I treat ebay as a lottery of sorts. Whenever I have a few extra bucks and am looking for a certain type of "fun" item to buy, I go to ebay and look at what's ending in the next hour. If I see something I like enough, I'll try to "snipe" it.
Short of using sniping software (which takes away the fun and feels like cheating to me), this is the only way I feel I ever get a good value on ebay. Plus there's absolutely a thrill in the hunt, stalking your pray for a few minutes before pulling the trigger at the last second.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 26, 2015 9:04:10 GMT -5
I haven't bought anything on Ebay in eons. But when I did, I decided what I was willing to pay, with shipping, bid and forgot about it. I'd either win or not. And honestly I didn't really care that much which. I was there for bargains. If it wasn't going to be a bargain It wasn't worth it. This is definitely my philosophy as well. I bid on eBay a LOT and I win a LOT. Yes, I do miss out on stuff fairly regularly too, but you have to just be philosophical about that: if you missed out, it just wasn't meant to be...so forget about it. There's so much stuff on eBay that anything you miss out on will come around again sooner or later. You do have to be persistent though, if you want something rare at a price you like (and I'm a very thrifty comics collector). For example, I'm working on a complete Bronze Age collection of Jonah Hex and I already had all of the pricy issues, except for Jonah Hex #1 from 1977. That issue in decent condition usually goes for anywhere between £15 and £60, and that's simply too much for me. I only wanted to pay £10 max for it. I must've put in low-ball bids on 30+ different copies of that comic, over an 18 month period, before I eventually won one for something like £7 or £8. Like any hunting, it's a waiting game and it takes persistence and patience. I also buy lots of music (especially vinyl LPs) off of eBay and new clothes too. It's not just shills that drive the prices up though. Sometimes it is people who are new to eBay. I often see auctions where there's a frenzy of activity in the first day or so and the price for the item gets driven up really high. A lot of times, it's people with low feedback numbers, i.e., people who haven't completed many transactions on eBay. This is true. Plus, there are some folks who MUST win at any cost. It's like a competition to them and they have to win, even if ultimately they end up paying way more than something is worth.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 9:43:21 GMT -5
I rarely go to ebay for anything - the only thing that's Comics Related is that I brought the 7 Cards of the Original (Founding Members) JLA three years ago and I brought it from the seller directly without going through the hassle of the whole ebay experience.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 26, 2015 14:44:08 GMT -5
I hate sniping. But there is a reason for it: Shilling. That's when the person running the auction has a second account where they bid up their own items. It's against the ebay rules, but lots of shady sellers do it anyway. For exam.le, lets say the current bid is $2. You decide you're willing to pay $15, so you enter a max bid of $15. The shill account would then put in fake bids to jack the price up to $15 so you pay the full amount rather than getting a deal. This is why some buyers use sniper-bots, so they can get in a bid at the last second and prevent shillers from jacking the price up further. Personally, I just decide what I am willing to pay and enter that amount; if I get it, fine, if not, I'll just keep trying on other auctions. But as much as I hate sniping, there is at least one legit reason to do it. Huh. I never would have thought of that, but it's kind of like what I was saying in my first post: One extra bidder can change the outcome of an auction a lot A LOT. Also I guess that when I bid on ebay I am always trying to get fairly common item for way under market value. Every auction I am involved in is something that is potentially a really good deal, so I shouldn't be surprised when stuff escalates close to the "Buy It Now" price. Here's another question. Since I'm trying for a complete run of Marvel Masterworks, I bought these. (Giving me 139 or 217 volumes. Getting there!) They had a 20 dollar buy it now, AND a 20 dollar first bid. Was this just a mistake or was there some method to the madness?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 18:21:07 GMT -5
I never go to ebay for something I need. Instead, I treat ebay as a lottery of sorts. Whenever I have a few extra bucks and am looking for a certain type of "fun" item to buy, I go to ebay and look at what's ending in the next hour. If I see something I like enough, I'll try to "snipe" it. Short of using sniping software (which takes away the fun and feels like cheating to me), this is the only way I feel I ever get a good value on ebay. Plus there's absolutely a thrill in the hunt, stalking your pray for a few minutes before pulling the trigger at the last second. I hate finding out something sold super cheap after the auction had ended. I used to search for Johnny Ryan Angry Youth Comix every single day. Nothing from the self publish days ever came up. Then I got busy and stopped. Next thing you know, someone on some message board posts that they just bought THE FIRST issue for $20, he was the only bidder. I don't know how low the print run was, but the later issues after he had become famous were typically 200-300. So I'm imagining somewhere between 50-100. What luck for that guy, but I'd have bid it up to $100 if I had known. Same thing happened with the first volume of Elflord. I decided to check completed listings, and saw that I missed FOUR issues that sold for a total of just under $20. I'd have gladly paid $150 for that lot, and only that low because one of those issues I already had. It's the only issue I have, I paid $50 for it, and I had searched about five years for the opportunity to buy it at that price. My stomach dropped when I saw I missed my chance at that lot. Two of those issues are still available right now, for about $500 total Oh well, can't dwell on it, right? Just gotta keep looking, because the demand seems to be lower than I thought if a lot of four could sell that cheap. Sooner or later I'll get my chance.
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Post by MDG on Apr 26, 2015 19:17:23 GMT -5
I used to by a lot of stuff on eBay, back around the turn of the century. I don't think I ever bought a comic-- a lot of original art, though, and monster toys. Been picking up some things lately, mainly 50 s-60s pinup barware. And, yeah, it's incredibly frustrating when someone comes in in the the last 15 seconds. But, as people say, I bid my max and live with it.
The sniper gets it for a buck more than I bid, true, but that doesn't mean that I'd've been able to get it at a buck over that--if they're using. Sniper bot, they may be willing to go $20 or $50 more. And again, it's not like you're bidding on insulin--if I'm going on eBay, it's a pretty discretionary purchase.
One pet peeve: I hate when people say they "won" something on eBay; it's not a game or a contest. It's more, "I was willing to pay more than anyone else." Or, on some occasions, maybe, "I searched a little better to find something that wasn't listed well."
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Post by benday-dot on Apr 26, 2015 19:36:57 GMT -5
I haven't bought anything on ebay for a couple years now. IMO the "golden age" of comic purchasses on ebay is dead.
The amount of actual auctions has steadily been decreasing in favour of "buy it nows" for quite some time now.
But more of a contributing factor to my abandonment of ebay are the ridiculous shipping prices that have emerged over the last few years for international packages. I am in Canada. It is not unusual for me see sellers wanting upwards of $30.00 to ship a single comic to north of the border. Crazy!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 20:10:27 GMT -5
The trick is not to be possessive... just because you bid on something doesn't make it yours. The fact they call it 'winning' is marketing to try to get people to overpay... no one wants to 'lose', right? IT IS TOO MINE. This is why I do not do auctions. When I am ready to buy something, I want it. And I want it when I want it. Or I wouldn't be looking to buy it. #1consumeratheart.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2015 22:03:41 GMT -5
I haven't bought anything on ebay for a couple years now. IMO the "golden age" of comic purchasses on ebay is dead. The amount of actual auctions has steadily been decreasing in favour of "buy it nows" for quite some time now. But more of a contributing factor to my abandonment of ebay are the ridiculous shipping prices that have emerged over the last few years for international packages. I am in Canada. It is not unusual for me see sellers wanting upwards of $30.00 to ship a single comic to north of the border. Crazy! Unfortunately part of that is that US postal rates to Canada have nearly doubled in the last decade. When I was still doing ebay about 8-9 years ago I could send an priority package to Canada for $10 ish dollars and when the rate jumped to $14-15 I stopped doing international sales because it was insane to charge someone that much shipping for an auction that was a fraction of the cost, but I had no choice if it wasn't going to cost me money to have someone else "Win" the auction from me. The same Priority package now costs me over $20 to send, and the box I sent to antoine for the CCE which was slightly larger cost me nearly $40 for a couple dozen comics. Sending it non-priority is not much cheaper and you get no insurance or delivery confirmation, and if you add those back in, the cost is actually more than the priority rate. US Post office revenue was down and they lost a lot of business as e-mail replaced regular mail and other shipping companies took a lot of their business, and the one area they tried to make up for it was by jacking up international postal rates. I'm sure their costs are higher too, but I can't see the rate of increase those rates have undergone in a decade. -M
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 27, 2015 8:26:12 GMT -5
I never go to ebay for something I need. Instead, I treat ebay as a lottery of sorts. Whenever I have a few extra bucks and am looking for a certain type of "fun" item to buy, I go to ebay and look at what's ending in the next hour. If I see something I like enough, I'll try to "snipe" it. Short of using sniping software (which takes away the fun and feels like cheating to me), this is the only way I feel I ever get a good value on ebay. Plus there's absolutely a thrill in the hunt, stalking your pray for a few minutes before pulling the trigger at the last second. I hate finding out something sold super cheap after the auction had ended. I used to search for Johnny Ryan Angry Youth Comix every single day. Nothing from the self publish days ever came up. Then I got busy and stopped. Next thing you know, someone on some message board posts that they just bought THE FIRST issue for $20, he was the only bidder. I don't know how low the print run was, but the later issues after he had become famous were typically 200-300. So I'm imagining somewhere between 50-100. What luck for that guy, but I'd have bid it up to $100 if I had known. Same thing happened with the first volume of Elflord. I decided to check completed listings, and saw that I missed FOUR issues that sold for a total of just under $20. I'd have gladly paid $150 for that lot, and only that low because one of those issues I already had. It's the only issue I have, I paid $50 for it, and I had searched about five years for the opportunity to buy it at that price. My stomach dropped when I saw I missed my chance at that lot. Two of those issues are still available right now, for about $500 total Oh well, can't dwell on it, right? Just gotta keep looking, because the demand seems to be lower than I thought if a lot of four could sell that cheap. Sooner or later I'll get my chance. And, like I said in my first post, that high bid is without you bidding. The SECOND high bid might have been 19$, but the guy that won might have put a max bid of $1000. So just 'cause one guy got a deal on that auction doesn't mean that you would.
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