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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 26, 2015 20:17:24 GMT -5
There has to be some more context there that makes sense.. because that sounds really terrible as is. Adroitly addressed by Slam Bradley a short time ago: |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:18:12 GMT -5
I just realized that in just one week Obamacare was upheld by the SCOTUS, the rebel flag was removed from decent society, and gay marriage was legalized in all fifty states. A good week indeed  It does make me sad the rebel flag can't be a historical thing, but it's clear that people use it as a symbol of racism, so removing it is the right call. It is a historical thing. It wasn't removed from museums or history books. There is no reason to fly the battle flag of Northern Virginia at South Carolina courthouses, especially considering it was erected there as an act of pro-segregation protest. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 26, 2015 20:20:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is it makes me sad people have to be TOLD that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 20:25:40 GMT -5
Thomas' dissent and his views on human dignity, is absolutely disgusting.
Thomas argued that the Declaration of Independence affirmed that all humans were created in the vision of God and therefore enjoyed inherent worth.
Therefore, the conservative justice argued, the government cannot grant or take away a person’s dignity – and he offered some rather astounding examples to support his claims.
“Slaves did not lose their dignity (any more than they lost their humanity) because the government allowed them to be enslaved,” Thomas said. “Those held in internment camps did not lose their dignity because the government confined them. And those denied governmental benefits certainly do not lose their dignity because the government denies them those benefits. The government cannot bestow dignity, and it cannot take it away.” www.rawstory.com/2015/06/clarence-thomas-holds-some-pretty-horrifying-views-on-human-dignity/MLK is spinning in his grave, that THIS person is whom many conservatives see as his legacy. There has to be some more context there that makes sense.. because that sounds really terrible as is there. I can't imagine anyone of any race, creed or religion meaning what that seems to mean. that is DIRECTLY from his dissenting opinion |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 26, 2015 20:38:43 GMT -5
There is no reason to fly the battle flag of Northern Virginia at South Carolina courthouses, especially considering it was erected there as an act of pro-segregation protest. This is an element that many good old boys in my home state of Georgia are missing. No one is suggesting that the NVA flag is to blame for the shootings in SC. It's that the images of the SC State flags lowered to half-mast in remembrance of those slain included the Confederate flag at full mast, pad-locked into place. Those images were broadcast around the world, and the ugly juxtaposition provoked at long last the stark realization of the incompatibility of that banner with anything resembling decency. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 26, 2015 22:58:24 GMT -5
There has to be some more context there that makes sense.. because that sounds really terrible as is there. I can't imagine anyone of any race, creed or religion meaning what that seems to mean. This is par for the course for these guys. You should read the dissenting opinions on this case. They use all sorts of lame anti-gay marriage sophistry, the ignorant gibberish you would expect to hear from a drunken homophobe at a bar. When I read Scalia's dissent, I thought: "Oh no she DIDN'T!" I'm surprised Scalia didn't evoke the time-honored judicial argument "It's Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 23:03:48 GMT -5
I'm loving their reactions to this and Obamacare.
Also just read that a Fair Housing Act was decided this week with favorable results as well. Good times.
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 27, 2015 0:28:16 GMT -5
I just realized that in just one week Obamacare was upheld by the SCOTUS, the rebel flag was removed from decent society, and gay marriage was legalized in all fifty states. A good week indeed It does make me sad the rebel flag can't be a historical thing, but it's clear that people use it as a symbol of racism, so removing it is the right call. Yeah...I almost feel guilty for enjoying The Dukes of Hazzard as a kid these days. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 27, 2015 1:04:49 GMT -5
Thomas' dissent and his views on human dignity, is absolutely disgusting.
Thomas argued that the Declaration of Independence affirmed that all humans were created in the vision of God and therefore enjoyed inherent worth.
Therefore, the conservative justice argued, the government cannot grant or take away a person’s dignity – and he offered some rather astounding examples to support his claims.
“Slaves did not lose their dignity (any more than they lost their humanity) because the government allowed them to be enslaved,” Thomas said. “Those held in internment camps did not lose their dignity because the government confined them. And those denied governmental benefits certainly do not lose their dignity because the government denies them those benefits. The government cannot bestow dignity, and it cannot take it away.” www.rawstory.com/2015/06/clarence-thomas-holds-some-pretty-horrifying-views-on-human-dignity/MLK is spinning in his grave, that THIS person is whom many conservatives see as his legacy. There has to be some more context there that makes sense.. because that sounds really terrible as is there. I can't imagine anyone of any race, creed or religion meaning what that seems to mean. This is something that has bugged me for years not only from the white racists who all but deny the effects of slavery and segregation, but a small minority of black citizens who seem to downplay the socioeconomic side of things, not to mention slavery itself, in the context of the black community. Nobody, not even the heroic black activists of the 60's, can understand what it was like to be a slave. We have no conception of what this was really like. To be a human being and to be treated like a pack animal, breed like livestock, sold like a mule, etc. It's sickening just to think about it. You're telling me those people didn't experience a loss of dignity? BS. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 27, 2015 8:10:55 GMT -5
There has to be some more context there that makes sense.. because that sounds really terrible as is there. I can't imagine anyone of any race, creed or religion meaning what that seems to mean. This is par for the course for these guys. You should read the dissenting opinions on this case. They use all sorts of lame anti-gay marriage sophistry, the ignorant gibberish you would expect to hear from a drunken homophobe at a bar. When I read Scalia's dissent, I thought: "Oh no she DIDN'T!" I'm surprised Scalia didn't evoke the time-honored judicial argument "It's Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE!" I tend to generally like Scalia, and I enjoy reading his opinion even if I disagree with it, but yeah this particular dissent reads a lot like sour grapes. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 27, 2015 10:35:06 GMT -5
This is par for the course for these guys. You should read the dissenting opinions on this case. They use all sorts of lame anti-gay marriage sophistry, the ignorant gibberish you would expect to hear from a drunken homophobe at a bar. When I read Scalia's dissent, I thought: "Oh no she DIDN'T!" I'm surprised Scalia didn't evoke the time-honored judicial argument "It's Adam and EVE not Adam and STEVE!" I tend to generally like Scalia, and I enjoy reading his opinion even if I disagree with it, but yeah this particular dissent reads a lot like sour grapes. Scalia is an incredibly skilled legal writer. And, though I disagree with a LOT of his opinions, he generally has a cogent point to make. This, however, came across as a petulant teen pouting, whining and reverting to toddler-hood. Thomas, on the other hand, is an incredibly shallow thinker, a poor writer and is generally regarded by legal scholars as one of the worst justices to ever sit on the Court. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 27, 2015 11:17:28 GMT -5
I tend to generally like Scalia, and I enjoy reading his opinion even if I disagree with it, but yeah this particular dissent reads a lot like sour grapes. Scalia is an incredibly skilled legal writer. And, though I disagree with a LOT of his opinions, he generally has a cogent point to make. This, however, came across as a petulant teen pouting, whining and reverting to toddler-hood. Thomas, on the other hand, is an incredibly shallow thinker, a poor writer and is generally regarded by legal scholars as one of the worst justices to ever sit on the Court. Yeah, which is why his dissent surprised me. I mean he's often sardonic and he's used the quote gag before to mock certain opinions but that seemed like all there was to his point. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 27, 2015 11:32:12 GMT -5
I tend to generally like Scalia, and I enjoy reading his opinion even if I disagree with it, but yeah this particular dissent reads a lot like sour grapes. Scalia is an incredibly skilled legal writer. And, though I disagree with a LOT of his opinions, he generally has a cogent point to make. This, however, came across as a petulant teen pouting, whining and reverting to toddler-hood. Thomas, on the other hand, is an incredibly shallow thinker, a poor writer and is generally regarded by legal scholars as one of the worst justices to ever sit on the Court. I've never been impressed by Scalia. He has written numerous dissents on gay rights issues that were disgusting. And he is always hypocritical on things like "legislating from the bench" and " states' rights."
His opinion on death penalty cases is also disgusting. He always votes to refuse to hear appeals from inmates on Death Row. He says that the high court shouldn't look at death penalty cases because it undermines the citizenry's faith in the system. Uh, no. Refusing to admit that there could have been a mistake or an unfair trial is what undermines faith in the system. Also, prosecutors who withhold evidence and corrupt cops undermine faith in the system.
Having a mechanism in place (such as, oh, for example, higher courts in place for judicial review) to look at death penalty cases and make sure people who are about to be executed by the system are not getting railroaded, THAT does not undermine faith in the system. Scalia is basically saying that either lower courts are always right OR that it doesn't matter if some wrongly-tried men and women are put to death.
Scalia's attitude is what undermines citizens' trust in the system.
Scalia is a petty, hypocritical, lightweight, authoritarian hack.
I've heard him called "the finest legal mind of the 15th century." It was funny when I first heard it. But as the years go by, it looks less like a joke and more like extravagant praise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 12:41:22 GMT -5
^^ Partisan
not authoritarian. . .partisan
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 27, 2015 12:54:38 GMT -5
^^ Partisan not authoritarian. . .partisan He can be both. And he is. |
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It does make me sad the rebel flag can't be a historical thing, but it's clear that people use it as a symbol of racism, so removing it is the right call.
