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Post by Warmonger on Aug 15, 2018 10:48:25 GMT -5
That answered a sum total of zero of the questions that I asked. So...okay. How do they not know what they’re resisting? How do I know they don’t know the meaning of fascism? Ummm, by watching literally any video where these idiots open their mouths. How do I know they’re being paid? Because Antifa’s official website was openly advertising paying participants between $300-500 to come out and participate in their rallies before they took it down. As well as encouraging those participants to show up with mace, lead-lined gloves, and even knives. Might want to do a bit more research on these dummies, champ. Before you so rigorously defend them.
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 15, 2018 10:51:22 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 15, 2018 10:53:34 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait... You’re telling me you give a shit about people whose goal is ethnic cleansing? Sad stuff! I could care less about some silly ass, minute fringe group of neo-cons on the far right of society. Goofballs on the left seem to think that makes up a majority of the Republican party for some reason. Still, it’s their right to gather as long as they aren’t attacking or harassing anyone. Antifa on the other hand routinely assault people, destroy public property, etc whenever they show up for their little “protests”. And cover their faces like weak cowards when doing so. Whatever happened to that good old fashioned liberal adage? “I may not agree with what you say, but I’ll die for your right to say so”?
Or has that big old meanie Trump caused them to toss that out the window?What with him tossing gays and Muslims in concentration camps and all... Sad I'm not going to weigh in on the character of the Antifa group, but I will address this statement as it's one that continuously baffles me. To put it clearly in case it was missed or not taught in the course of other's public or private educations the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America is thus: In short, it protects the citizenry of the United States from punishment by the government for expressing their religious or personal views...but, if you notice, no where does it include a protection from personal consequences due to your speech or views or religious affiliation. So you cannot be jailed for expressing yourself...but you have no protection granted to you expressly by this particular amendment against others reacting to your views. So, if you say something that others might deem hateful, ignorant, or offensive you can't be jailed for it but if others then attempt to shout over you, tell you to "shut up" or even get violent with you for what you've said or written they are not infringing on your freedom of speech or expression. Depending on the local laws and ordinances of where ever you may happen to be when you're making those statements there may be laws against harassment or assault that would protect you from the consequences of your views, but unless it's the local police slapping you in irons for merely expressing yourself with no other list of grievances then your First Amendment rights are in no way being infringed upon or limited.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 15, 2018 10:59:32 GMT -5
That answered a sum total of zero of the questions that I asked. So...okay. How do they not know what they’re resisting? How do I know they don’t know the meaning of fascism? Ummm, by watching literally any video where these idiots open their mouths. How do I know they’re being paid? Because Antifa’s official website was openly advertising paying participants between $300-500 to come out and participate in their rallies before they took it down. As well as encouraging those participants to show up with mace, lead-lined gloves, and even knives. Might want to do a bit more research on these dummies, champ. Before you so rigorously defend them. I've done the research, and watched the videos...but they still don't address any of Slam's specific questions. Further, posting videos as if they were a response to questions and then calling that person "champ" for questioning whether they specifically addressed any of their points are hardly examples of the mature and rational responses that all further posts were asked to meet. Further demeaning behavior will get no warnings, and that goes for all parties.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 15, 2018 11:10:47 GMT -5
That answered a sum total of zero of the questions that I asked. So...okay. How do they not know what they’re resisting? How do I know they don’t know the meaning of fascism? Ummm, by watching literally any video where these idiots open their mouths. How do I know they’re being paid? Because Antifa’s official website was openly advertising paying participants between $300-500 to come out and participate in their rallies before they took it down. As well as encouraging those participants to show up with mace, lead-lined gloves, and even knives. Might want to do a bit more research on these dummies, champ. Before you so rigorously defend them. So what you're saying is you've got nothing. Because your subjective opinion of their knowledge is utterly meaningless. Where are the screenshots of the alleged advertisement? Because your saying it existed is meaningless. I'll go ahead and keep being against fascism, Nazism and Klan activity. You go ahead and keep supporting them.
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 15, 2018 11:13:46 GMT -5
Hmmmm
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Post by Warmonger on Aug 15, 2018 11:23:37 GMT -5
How do they not know what they’re resisting? How do I know they don’t know the meaning of fascism? Ummm, by watching literally any video where these idiots open their mouths. How do I know they’re being paid? Because Antifa’s official website was openly advertising paying participants between $300-500 to come out and participate in their rallies before they took it down. As well as encouraging those participants to show up with mace, lead-lined gloves, and even knives. Might want to do a bit more research on these dummies, champ. Before you so rigorously defend them. So what you're saying is you've got nothing. Because your subjective opinion of their knowledge is utterly meaningless. Where are the screenshots of the alleged advertisement? Because your saying it existed is meaningless. I'll go ahead and keep being against fascism, Nazism and Klan activity. You go ahead and keep supporting them. Yep I don’t support Antifa, therefore I must be in favor of the KKK and support fascism... Man, I really hope you guys continue this stuff. 6 more years of Trump guaranteed. Gonna be YUGE.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 15, 2018 11:44:24 GMT -5
So what you're saying is you've got nothing. Because your subjective opinion of their knowledge is utterly meaningless. Where are the screenshots of the alleged advertisement? Because your saying it existed is meaningless. I'll go ahead and keep being against fascism, Nazism and Klan activity. You go ahead and keep supporting them. Yep I don’t support Antifa, therefore I must be in favor of the KKK and support fascism... Man, I really hope you guys continue this stuff. 6 more years of Trump guaranteed. Gonna be YUGE. There's a big difference between not supporting Antifa, in fact I abhor their tactics, and putting forward the types of videos that you seem to enjoy as if they were bits of objective journalism. The former is a reaction that disproves of violence while the latter suggests that the views of those putting together those videos might mirror your own.
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Post by impulse on Aug 15, 2018 15:33:27 GMT -5
You jump to an awful lot of conclusions based on zero evidence. Ah, I see you've heard of the Republican Congress members.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 15, 2018 17:03:27 GMT -5
I'm only gonna say this once: There have been far too many combative comments or personal attacks made in this thread already today. If folks can't keep their language civil and discuss politics in a mature, sensible manner, without resorting to snarky attacks on each another, then this thread will be locked without warning. Attack the policies and the politicians, but not your fellow posters.
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Post by comicsandwho on Aug 15, 2018 17:47:17 GMT -5
OK, sticking to comics.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 15, 2018 19:05:55 GMT -5
I'm not getting into this argument; but, elements remind me of exactly why I don't go to visual mediums for my current events. It seems like visual imagery provokes quicker responses, and less critical assessment. It is a passive activity and doesn't require your brain to do much work, vs reading a more thorough article, with definite sources that can be checked or consulted for expansion, allowing you to make more informed opinions and reactions. It seems that video manipulation has gotten far worse to attack one's political enemies or to put an exclamation point on one's views, in absence of more reasoned debate. The lack of contact involved in social media seems to escalate things further, as there are no additional sensory inputs that help form perception of ideas and statements and no immediate consequences. In other words, video input seems to turn people up to 11 far faster than print and the internet just tends to magnify, rather than defuse or refute.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 16, 2018 7:11:12 GMT -5
I'm not getting into this argument; but, elements remind me of exactly why I don't go to visual mediums for my current events. It seems like visual imagery provokes quicker responses, and less critical assessment. It is a passive activity and doesn't require your brain to do much work, vs reading a more thorough article, with definite sources that can be checked or consulted for expansion, allowing you to make more informed opinions and reactions. It seems that video manipulation has gotten far worse to attack one's political enemies or to put an exclamation point on one's views, in absence of more reasoned debate. The lack of contact involved in social media seems to escalate things further, as there are no additional sensory inputs that help form perception of ideas and statements and no immediate consequences. In other words, video input seems to turn people up to 11 far faster than print and the internet just tends to magnify, rather than defuse or refute. I would say the same about most of the daily news, too. Short clips of info designed to elicit an emotional reaction, and very often written with a “our side vs their side” mentality. I much prefer essays and long interviews where time is not much of an issue. They are of course not free of bias and partisanship, but they make it easier to understand what influential people are actually saying instead of what their opponents want us to think they’re saying.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 16, 2018 8:47:57 GMT -5
I'm not getting into this argument; but, elements remind me of exactly why I don't go to visual mediums for my current events. It seems like visual imagery provokes quicker responses, and less critical assessment. It is a passive activity and doesn't require your brain to do much work, vs reading a more thorough article, with definite sources that can be checked or consulted for expansion, allowing you to make more informed opinions and reactions. It seems that video manipulation has gotten far worse to attack one's political enemies or to put an exclamation point on one's views, in absence of more reasoned debate. The lack of contact involved in social media seems to escalate things further, as there are no additional sensory inputs that help form perception of ideas and statements and no immediate consequences. In other words, video input seems to turn people up to 11 far faster than print and the internet just tends to magnify, rather than defuse or refute. I would say the same about most of the daily news, too. Short clips of info designed to elicit an emotionsl reaction, and very often written with a lour side vs their side” mentality. I much prefer essays and long interviews where time is not much of an issue. They are of course not free of bias and partisanship, but they make it easier to understand what influential people are actually saying instead of what their opponents want us to think they’re saying. I certainly prefer longer, well thought out pieces but I don't mind short snippets either; they just require you to evaluate them before deciding to take in their information. For instance, in the video above that wished to portray that the people at the rally were all ignorant, after watching it for a little while it became obvious that the source could not be trusted. Firstly, fascism is not a terribly difficult term to define( though slightly more difficult to apply but that wasn't the question) and is taught in most grade school history classes so being that this rally took place at a university then it's obvious they have high school diplomas making it a fair assumption that they would in fact know how to define fascism in a general way. Using Occam's Razor is it then simpler to assume that those present could define it, or that the education systems that all those present passed through are failures? I'd say the latter would require a much more complicated answer to justify thus making it the less likely of the two options. Secondly, you then have to look at sample size and in this video the presenter favors the same small groups over and over again. When the rally is so vast why show case the same small groups again and again? The answer? Because these people gave the desired answer, and the way the presenter kept wording the questions and commentating between interviews made that answer obvious. So taken together it's easy to see that what was presented should be taken with a grain of salt. It's not hard to do these types of evaluations, but there are those who simply don't want to. And lest anyone think there's a bias here because I used a conservative video to pick apart, the same can be said from some clips from CNN and MSNBC as well; you always have to stop and evaluate your news sources before making up your mind what the news being presented to you means.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 16, 2018 9:56:16 GMT -5
I'm not getting into this argument; but, elements remind me of exactly why I don't go to visual mediums for my current events. It seems like visual imagery provokes quicker responses, and less critical assessment. It is a passive activity and doesn't require your brain to do much work, vs reading a more thorough article, with definite sources that can be checked or consulted for expansion, allowing you to make more informed opinions and reactions. It seems that video manipulation has gotten far worse to attack one's political enemies or to put an exclamation point on one's views, in absence of more reasoned debate. The lack of contact involved in social media seems to escalate things further, as there are no additional sensory inputs that help form perception of ideas and statements and no immediate consequences. In other words, video input seems to turn people up to 11 far faster than print and the internet just tends to magnify, rather than defuse or refute. I would say the same about most of the daily news, too. Short clips of info designed to elicit an emotionsl reaction, and very often written with a lour side vs their side” mentality. I much prefer essays and long interviews where time is not much of an issue. They are of course not free of bias and partisanship, but they make it easier to understand what influential people are actually saying instead of what their opponents want us to think they’re saying. Well news outlets are no more than network/cable TV anymore in that they're out for ratings. And emotions illicit views and clicks.
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