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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 22, 2015 10:46:58 GMT -5
And all the Sentinels are going "well, damn! There must be a bug in our programming!" Besides, why did Wanda's spell "No more mutants" depower Pietro? How did the Inhumans, who are pretty damn good at genetics, not realize that Pietro was one of them when he married Crystal? I thought they were against the idea at first and were worried about how Luna (Pietro and Wanda's daughter) would turn out. I can't wait until Disney shells out enough money to recover all its movie rights and we see an end to such nonsensical rewriting of history. With Cerebro, at least in the early days, it was wrong all the time. It seems to pick up anyone with superpowers (for instance, the Stranger in issue 11, that I just reviewed). The Professor similarly seems to sense power more than a mutation, then just assuming the power comes from a mutation, so that'll work. For Scarlet Witch, she believed it, and her powers are magic, so that's probably enough. My impression of the Sentinels is that they were matching people up from a database, so if their database said Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were mutants, they'll attack them. I know we all assume they could sense mutants, but maybe, like Cerebro, it really just senses power. I bet there was at least one it attacked someone that isn't a mutant. The Inhumans, I got nothing.... do I still get the No Prize?  Your no-prize is in the mail! For the Inhumans, we could simply resort to real science! But that's something Marvel never does. Real science as in "mutants and Inhumans breed without any problem with unpowered humans, giving fully fertile offspring, and therefore belong to the same species." There would be no way to say "this guy is mutant" or "this guy is an Inhuman" or "this guy is a normal human" just by looking at their genes, unless you have arbitrarily decided who belongs to this and that group, which would then be races (and not species). Black Bolt, Xavier and Magneto have been spouting racist crap for decades! (Well... not Black Bolt, technically, since he never says anything). The oft-quoted line "mutants are the next step in human evolution" makes no biological sense. There is no "next step" in human evolution that we can predict in advance. It's only after a few million years have elapsed that we could determine which genes were actually selected to go from XIst century humans to One million years AD humans to develop! |
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Post by DE Sinclair on May 22, 2015 14:49:10 GMT -5
I believe that Sentinels once said Falcon was a mutant (because the powers that be wanted him to be right then), but later it was said the Sentinel was malfunctioning when it said that.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 22, 2015 17:56:19 GMT -5
I believe that Sentinels once said Falcon was a mutant (because the powers that be wanted him to be right then), but later it was said the Sentinel was malfunctioning when it said that. Interesting. Professor Xavier had also mentioned that Falc might be a muutant in a Captain America story; it was the link between Sam and Redwing that led Xavier to suspect it. |
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Post by hondobrode on May 23, 2015 1:58:52 GMT -5
Marvel is doing this bec of the movie rights, but it's really stupid, though the Inhumans angle makes it go down better.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 23, 2015 2:02:54 GMT -5
Marvel is doing this bec of the movie rights, but it's really stupid, though the Inhumans angle makes it go down better. From recent issues of Uncanny Avengers, it appears that Wanda and Pietro aren't Inhumans, either, but creations of the High Evolutionary. Personally, I'd just have said that they really were the children of the Whizzer and Miss America after all... |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jul 23, 2015 11:19:10 GMT -5
Marvel is doing this bec of the movie rights, but it's really stupid, though the Inhumans angle makes it go down better. From recent issues of Uncanny Avengers, it appears that Wanda and Pietro aren't Inhumans, either, but creations of the High Evolutionary. Personally, I'd just have said that they really were the children of the Whizzer and Miss America after all... I'm waiting for the two of them to get to the point of saying, "We've been told we're gypsies, mutants, children of Magneto, Whizzer, & Miss America, Inhumans, and now created by the High Evolutionary like a talking cow. Screw it, we just don't care anymore." I know that's how I feel. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 23, 2015 12:09:16 GMT -5
Marvel is doing this bec of the movie rights, but it's really stupid, though the Inhumans angle makes it go down better. From recent issues of Uncanny Avengers, it appears that Wanda and Pietro aren't Inhumans, either, but creations of the High Evolutionary. Personally, I'd just have said that they really were the children of the Whizzer and Miss America after all... I suppose that sorta makes sense, at least, even if that means Wanda should be an Owl and Pietro a Cheetah or something. I'm sure they'll go back to being Magneto's kids at some point... modern comics snap back to their status quo all the time. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 23, 2015 12:09:35 GMT -5
"You're also Skrulls".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 14:34:23 GMT -5
From recent issues of Uncanny Avengers, it appears that Wanda and Pietro aren't Inhumans, either, but creations of the High Evolutionary. Personally, I'd just have said that they really were the children of the Whizzer and Miss America after all... I suppose that sorta makes sense, at least, even if that means Wanda should be an Owl and Pietro a Cheetah or something. I'm sure they'll go back to being Magneto's kids at some point... modern comics snap back to their status quo all the time. But they didn't start out as Magneto's children, that was the change, and them not being his kids is the reversion to the status quo. -M |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 23, 2015 15:36:13 GMT -5
I suppose that sorta makes sense, at least, even if that means Wanda should be an Owl and Pietro a Cheetah or something. I'm sure they'll go back to being Magneto's kids at some point... modern comics snap back to their status quo all the time. But they didn't start out as Magneto's children, that was the change, and them not being his kids is the reversion to the status quo. -M People tend to forget this, for some reason. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2015 15:42:37 GMT -5
But they didn't start out as Magneto's children, that was the change, and them not being his kids is the reversion to the status quo. -M People tend to forget this, for some reason. The reason is pretty clear to me, changes people like are accepted as the new status quo, and changes people don't like are labelled ret-cons and held in contempt until the next change comes along. People liked the change making Wanda and Pietro the children of Magneto even though it was a ret-con, so they don't label it as such and make it the acceptable status quo. -M |
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 23, 2015 15:47:04 GMT -5
People tend to forget this, for some reason. The reason is pretty clear to me, changes people like are accepted as the new status quo, and changes people don't like are labelled ret-cons and held in contempt until the next change comes along. People liked the change making Wanda and Pietro the children of Magneto even though it was a ret-con, so they don't label it as such and make it the acceptable status quo. -M I always preferred the Whizzer/Miss America thing. It made more sense to me than making them Magneto's kids seemingly for no better reason than because Magnus and Pietro had the same hairstyle. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 24, 2015 5:41:55 GMT -5
People tend to forget this, for some reason. The reason is pretty clear to me, changes people like are accepted as the new status quo, and changes people don't like are labelled ret-cons and held in contempt until the next change comes along. People liked the change making Wanda and Pietro the children of Magneto even though it was a ret-con, so they don't label it as such and make it the acceptable status quo. Exactly! Surprising changes that make sense and add to the richness of the story are seen as plot development. Surprising changes that make little sense, contradict what came before and add nothing worthwhile are seen as retcons. Vision being the original human torch: development Vision and Wanda's baby turning out to be figments of her imagination: retcon Swamp Thing turning out to be a plant: development Quicksilver and Wanda turning out not to be mutants: retcon Jean Grey turning out to have the hots for Logan: development (I hate it, but still). The phoenix having come to Earth in the past to be beaten by Shou Lao: retcon. They're really all retcons, of course. But some make more sense than others. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 24, 2015 6:05:57 GMT -5
From recent issues of Uncanny Avengers, it appears that Wanda and Pietro aren't Inhumans, either, but creations of the High Evolutionary. Personally, I'd just have said that they really were the children of the Whizzer and Miss America after all... I suppose that sorta makes sense, at least, even if that means Wanda should be an Owl and Pietro a Cheetah or something. I'm sure they'll go back to being Magneto's kids at some point... modern comics snap back to their status quo all the time. Oh god, does this mean that after more than 30 years and several attempts by Chris Claremont trying to get this origin for an established character, it finally happens? |
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