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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 11:31:38 GMT -5
I've never read world of smallville, but I did track down the issue where we see Pa Kent in Korea: Adventures of Superman #500 . It's from 1993, so obviously a later retcon but the story is so good its always stuck with me. Interesting! I'd assumed they hadn't tampered with the timeline until Zero Hour. It does seem rather strange, especially as it wouldn't have really made Pa all that much older in 1993 than he was in 1988. Let's say he was 20 in 1941, that would make him 67 in 1988 and only 72 in 1993, and juding by the art that wouldn't seem off base:  Contrarywise, if we assume Pa was 20 in 1950 he'd be 58 in 1988 and 63 in 1993 which in the grand scheme of things doesn't really make him that much younger than he was before the retcon, and he isn't portrayed as looking younger in the art either, so it does come off as a little arbitrary. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 21, 2014 11:44:52 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a intentional retcon, but rather a simple mistake?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 13:14:14 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a intentional retcon, but rather a simple mistake? I suppose that's possible, but you'd think editorial would be able to keep track of something like that. Though I suppose there could also be room for Pa Kent being a veteran of both wars as there certainly was some overlap. |
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 21, 2014 15:09:52 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a intentional retcon, but rather a simple mistake? I suppose that's possible, but you'd think editorial would be able to keep track of something like that. Though I suppose there could also be room for Pa Kent being a veteran of both wars as there certainly was some overlap. Ted Williams being a notable example. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 15:20:43 GMT -5
I suppose that's possible, but you'd think editorial would be able to keep track of something like that. Though I suppose there could also be room for Pa Kent being a veteran of both wars as there certainly was some overlap. Ted Williams being a notable example. And that's an example of why he's the greatest ever. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2014 19:37:57 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn't a intentional retcon, but rather a simple mistake? I suppose that's possible, but you'd think editorial would be able to keep track of something like that. Though I suppose there could also be room for Pa Kent being a veteran of both wars as there certainly was some overlap. The continuity established under Helfer and adhered to by Carlin has Pa Kent born in the early 1920s. He'd already be in his mid forties by the time Vietnam rolled along. I can't imagine that would work unless he was an officer. Was Carlin still editing the books by the time this happened? |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 19:44:36 GMT -5
I suppose that's possible, but you'd think editorial would be able to keep track of something like that. Though I suppose there could also be room for Pa Kent being a veteran of both wars as there certainly was some overlap. The continuity established under Helfer and adhered to by Carlin has Pa Kent born in the early 1920s. He'd already be in his mid forties by the time Vietnam rolled along. I can't imagine that would work unless he was an officer. For Vietnam, sure(which is probably more suitable for a comic set in 2014) but in 1993 it was just Korea he served in which would make him in his early 30's in his flashback. And at that age, though it was not mentioned, we could conceivably believe he served in WWII(as it was apparently stated in World of Smallville) and Korea(which was in shown in Adventures of Superman #500) as there are many real life examples, like Ted Williams, who did just that. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2014 19:50:17 GMT -5
The continuity established under Helfer and adhered to by Carlin has Pa Kent born in the early 1920s. He'd already be in his mid forties by the time Vietnam rolled along. I can't imagine that would work unless he was an officer. For Vietnam, sure(which is probably more suitable for a comic set in 2014) but in 1993 it was just Korea he served in which would make him in his early 30's in his flashback. And at that age, though it was not mentioned, we could conceivably believe he served in WWII(as it was apparently stated in World of Smallville) and Korea(which was in shown in Adventures of Superman #500) as there are many real life examples, like Ted Williams, who did just that. Gotcha. My bad for reading Vietnam when you said Korea. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 20:17:22 GMT -5
For Vietnam, sure(which is probably more suitable for a comic set in 2014) but in 1993 it was just Korea he served in which would make him in his early 30's in his flashback. And at that age, though it was not mentioned, we could conceivably believe he served in WWII(as it was apparently stated in World of Smallville) and Korea(which was in shown in Adventures of Superman #500) as there are many real life examples, like Ted Williams, who did just that. Gotcha. My bad for reading Vietnam when you said Korea. And I was thinking I may have erroneously written Vietnam but was in the middle of making dinner so I couldn't check. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 21, 2014 20:54:59 GMT -5
Gotcha. My bad for reading Vietnam when you said Korea. And I was thinking I may have erroneously written Vietnam but was in the middle of making dinner so I couldn't check. I, myself, was giving my daughter a bath while posting. Apparently distracted texting is even a hazard when you're not behind the wheel  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 21, 2014 21:16:55 GMT -5
Ha, it would seem so.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 1, 2015 19:59:05 GMT -5
Those of you that would like the Superman serial from Action Comics Weekly please note that the collected edition will be on sale at comic shops across the country next Wednesday, January 7. It's titled Superman: The Power Within  It also includes the Sinbad Contract three parter from 1990 by William Messner Loebs and Curt Swan.  Curt Swan month and STILL only 75 cents!!! |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 1, 2015 22:36:01 GMT -5
Funny, I remember particularly disliking the Sinbad storyline, even while pretty much loving everything else happening with Superman during that time.
I suppose a trade of the Superman ACW serial was overdue, but this is pretty much collecting everything I didn't like about the Post-Byrne Superman.
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Post by Action Ace on Jan 1, 2015 22:58:49 GMT -5
Funny, I remember particularly disliking the Sinbad storyline, even while pretty much loving everything else happening with Superman during that time. I suppose a trade of the Superman ACW serial was overdue, but this is pretty much collecting everything I didn't like about the Post-Byrne Superman. Did you like Superman and the Earth Stealers? Maybe it's a writing for Curt Swan problem?  |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 1, 2015 23:36:34 GMT -5
Funny, I remember particularly disliking the Sinbad storyline, even while pretty much loving everything else happening with Superman during that time. I suppose a trade of the Superman ACW serial was overdue, but this is pretty much collecting everything I didn't like about the Post-Byrne Superman. Did you like Superman and the Earth Stealers? Maybe it's a writing for Curt Swan problem? Not particularly, but I didn't dislike it to the extent that I did the other two. Curt Swan may well be the common factor. |
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