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Post by shaxper on Jun 20, 2016 22:01:34 GMT -5
If I understand you correctly, your argument can be boiled down to two points: 1. You thought Superman #75 was terrible. 2. You feel that DC is completely and totally responsible for the gimmicks that reigned the early 1990s and continue into today, no matter the fact that Marvel churned such promotions out with greater frequency in the 1990s and financially benefited more from them. These are opinions that can't be refuted by facts. Therefore, we'll have to agree to disagree. Oppenheimer may not responsible for how others use the a-bomb, but he invented the a-bomb, putting it out there to be used, so it's use by anyone goes back to him. The techniques DC introduced (multiple covers, double shipping, reboots, event driven storytelling across multiple titles, etc.) go back to them, no matter how others used them. If they didn't introduce them, others don't have them to use or misuse. The fact they misused them as much as everyone else only adds to that. And whether Superman 75 was great or terrible is irrelevant to the damage done to the industry as a whole by the techniques innovated by DC. It could have been the best comic story ever published bar none, and it still wouldn't make up for the damage done by the way it was handled. Just because you like something doesn't excuse the damage it does. Just because you hate something doesn't make it at fault. How I feel about 75 as a story is irrelevant to the damage DC's techniques (used by them and others) did to the industry. I am not turning a blind eye to the consequences and justifying the way they did things because I liked the story. I am looking at the industry as a whole, what caused the problems leading to the collapse, and trying to identify where those techniques were brought into the fray, and that lies on DC's doorstep. I just don't see any good done for the industry as a whole by the events surrounding Superman #75, and nothing positive coming out of it. They sold lots of copies of a book then started bleeding customers and soon outlets afterwards. Others contributed to it, but the biggest single event that brought people into that mess, raised the stakes, and made it as disastrous as it was in the long term was the Death of Superman hoopla. And DC's marketing was targeting "civilians" outside the hardcore audience trying to up those stakes so their actions were deliberate and intentional. I feel that I've already addressed these points. Yup. Back to your regularly scheduled review thread...
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 0:13:33 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #464 The Day of The Krypton Man, Part II: "Blood Brawl" writer/pencils: Dan Jurgens finished inks: Art Thibert letters: Albert DeGuzman colors: Glenn Whitmore assoc. editor: Jon Peterson editor: Mike Carlin Superman created by: Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster grade: C It would appear that, much like "The Brainiac Trilogy" before it, this is a multi-part story arc that has no real center. One third into the arc and we still have no idea what the title is referring to, plus Lobo (taking up the majority of the story up until now) is all too easily removed by the end of this issue with a series of conveniences that's almost insulting to the reader: So his presence was nothing more than a cash-in -- Superman fights DC's hottest new antihero in a relatively uninteresting throwdown that took an entire issue to get to and then gets easily wrapped up/forgotten. That's it. All done. None of this had anything at all to do with wherever this storyline is supposed to be going. And, of course, where it's going is The Eradicator Device. After nine months of this thing utterly screwing with Clark's life, we're finally going to get rid of it by the close of this storyline (we hope!). In the meantime, it's still screwing with Clark's life as Lois asks him out for the first time and Clark's brainwashing conveniently blows the moment, Clark explaining that it isn't logical for them to maintain a friendship now that they no longer work together. We saw the exact same kind of thing happen when Matrix was impersonating Clark. Between that and nine months of The Eradicator Device screwing things up, this just feels very "been there, done that" by this point. This storyline really needs to start speeding things up. Fortunately, we at least get our first full look at the ultra-cool Kryptonian costume for Clark (designed by Perez?) which I've adored since I first saw it at the age of ten. I bought my first Superman comic (Superman #42 -- coming up in three weeks) because of that costume and hoped against hope that Supes would keep it. I still like it better; it just needs a cape. So beyond a sluggish multi-part storyline that's all detour and no development, this is really the first time since he took over writing that Jurgens has disappointed me with his writing, itself. I suspect the problem is that he's now writing for a storyline envisioned by others (remember that he's the low man on the totem pole at the Superman Office at this point) that forces him out of his comfort zone. For example, he absolutely cannot mimic the kind of success Ordway found with playing the story for laughs last issue. Whereas Ordway was a master of understatement, Jurgens labors far too hard to get the gags across, and most of them are just "look how drunk these guys are," which gets old fast: Additionally, when he randomly has Draaga stumble across the monument Superman erected for Cleric, I can't tell if he's going for humor (probably in bad taste to make a joke out of a character's burial site) or foreshadowing something coming later in this storyline. It's an awkward moment, though certainly not the only one in the issue. Finally, I was sick of Lana Lang being this franchise's resident sad sack as early as Man of Steel #6. I get it; she's supposed to be the Betty to Lois Lane's Veronica, but, in three years worth of stories by this point, all she's come across as is pathetic to the point of being outright unlikable. We really don't need more of her laying on the pity syrup here: Reveal the damage Clark is causing to those who care about him through other characters; it's time to take Lana out back and put her down. Important Details:- Lois asks Clark out; he rejects her while under the spell of The Eradicator - First meeting of/battle between Lobo and Superman. Lobo's memory of this event is erased by having drank too much Okarran Berry Juice (DC's convenient new means of getting aliens drunk without portraying alcohol). - Lobo may still be in possession of the five shards of Kryptonite he stole from The Fortress of Solitude (unclear) Minor Details:- Bibbo is now the #1 fan of Lobo after believing he has seen Lobo defeat Superman. Unclear if Bibbo will remember any of this later (Okarran Berry Juice again) - Thornton has had it with Clark's frequent absences at Newstime and is ready to fire him. - Love the little nods to continuity throughout this issue, especially as Superman ends up fighting Lobo in one of the Kryptonian mecha suits from World of Krypton #2. - Seriously, with all the detailed explanations we've been given for how Superman does so much of what he does, can't Jurgens teach me how he manages to pull this off without wrinkling his work clothes??? Plot synopsis: Clark is not himself, brushing off Lois as she asks him out on a date for the first time. We're given increasing signs that The Eradicator device is messing with his mind as Maxima's ship overruns Draaga's on its way to Earth (also) in search of Superman. Meanwhile, Clark is telepathically made aware that Lobo and friends have invaded his Fortress of Solitude and feels an intense desire to stop them. He and Lobo end up fighting, Lobo discovers the five shard of Kryptonite hidden there and uses them against Superman, and he determines that the only way to get rid of Lobo is to use a holographic projector in the Fortress to make Lobo believe he has killed Superman. Meanwhile, Lana Lang is feeling sorry for herself on her birthday because Clark doesn't care, Thornton over at Newstime is ready to fire Clark over his frequent absences, and Lobo returns to the guys who hired him to kill Superman, his mind wiped from excessive drinking of Okarran Berry Juice, and his video of the encounter screwed up by Bibbo.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 0:43:48 GMT -5
So, by the way, the "Still Only 75 cents!" caption has begun appearing on the Superman title covers, and I'm really confused about this. By 1990, every other DC title was selling for $1.00 (or more if it was a direct sales Baxter book), and, though Superman and Adventures of Superman haven't run Statements of Ownership and Circulation for a while now, Action Comics #649 just did, and it shows sales of nearly 217,000 copies for the most recent issue (double where the title was at the height of Byrne's run). So, if the Superman titles aren't desperate for readers/sales, why is DC keeping the cover price so low and advertising it? Are they trying to attract more readers in an effort to match Batman's sales (which, in 1990, would have been off the chart)?
I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge in regard to this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 1:29:43 GMT -5
So, by the way, the "Still Only 75 cents!" caption has begun appearing on the Superman title covers, and I'm really confused about this. By 1990, every other DC title was selling for $1.00 (or more if it was a direct sales Baxter book), and, though Superman and Adventures of Superman haven't run Statements of Ownership and Circulation for a while now, Action Comics #649 just did, and it shows sales of nearly 217,000 copies for the most recent issue (double where the title was at the height of Byrne's run). So, if the Superman titles aren't desperate for readers/sales, why is DC keeping the cover price so low and advertising it? Are they trying to attract more readers in an effort to match Batman's sales (which, in 1990, would have been off the chart)? I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge in regard to this. DC's policy at the time was to charge more for the lower selling titles to make them more viable, and less for the better selling titles using volume to make he books profitable. If fans wanted to support a second tier character, they had to pay more because the book didn't sell well, and the target audience was usually the hardcore direct market fans who would follow books no matter what. However, they kept prices down on the top tier books to make them more accessible to more casual fans and a mass audience who were more likely to just check in on the big guys or impulse buy. Somebody-Giordano, Levitz, or Khan, had an editorial/publishatorial on the hype page explaining it around that time-which struck me because Marvel was doing the opposite-raising prices on X-Men and Spidey and the like but keeping prices on the second tier stuff lower using the extra revenue of the good sellers to buoy the second tier books across the line, and I was always kind of curious which was the better strategy, however, soon prices went up line wide at both companies and it was a moot point. -M
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 7:00:58 GMT -5
So, by the way, the "Still Only 75 cents!" caption has begun appearing on the Superman title covers, and I'm really confused about this. By 1990, every other DC title was selling for $1.00 (or more if it was a direct sales Baxter book), and, though Superman and Adventures of Superman haven't run Statements of Ownership and Circulation for a while now, Action Comics #649 just did, and it shows sales of nearly 217,000 copies for the most recent issue (double where the title was at the height of Byrne's run). So, if the Superman titles aren't desperate for readers/sales, why is DC keeping the cover price so low and advertising it? Are they trying to attract more readers in an effort to match Batman's sales (which, in 1990, would have been off the chart)? I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge in regard to this. DC's policy at the time was to charge more for the lower selling titles to make them more viable, and less for the better selling titles using volume to make he books profitable. If fans wanted to support a second tier character, they had to pay more because the book didn't sell well, and the target audience was usually the hardcore direct market fans who would follow books no matter what. However, they kept prices down on the top tier books to make them more accessible to more casual fans and a mass audience who were more likely to just check in on the big guys or impulse buy. Somebody-Giordano, Levitz, or Khan, had an editorial/publishatorial on the hype page explaining it around that time-which struck me because Marvel was doing the opposite-raising prices on X-Men and Spidey and the like but keeping prices on the second tier stuff lower using the extra revenue of the good sellers to buoy the second tier books across the line, and I was always kind of curious which was the better strategy, however, soon prices went up line wide at both companies and it was a moot point. -M This is a fascinating explanation, and it may have been the original intent, but taking a quick look at DC comics on sale in the month that the Superman titles started advertising "still only 75 cents!" reveals 59 DC titles on sale for the month and only Superman, Adventures of Superman, and Action Comics selling for less than $1.00.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 7:15:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth, when Lobo gets his own limited series nine months from now, the cover will advertise "First issue! Only 99 cents":
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 8:38:09 GMT -5
Action Comics #651 The Day of the Krypton Man, Part III: "Not of This Earth" writer: Roger Stern layouts: George Perez finishing: Kerry Gammill inks: Brett Breeding letters: Bill Oakley colors: Glenn Whitemore assoc. editor: Jon Peterson editor: Mike Carlin grade: A- George Perez may have one foot out the door at this point (the conclusion of this storyline will mark his final work in the Superman Office), but he turns on the fire in this issue. The rest of the team may have overturned his vision of each Superman title retaining its own distinct identity, but Perez is still committed to making this issue a true ACTION comic. It's nice to see him come alive again after so much time spent being a relative non-entity. This issue foregoes any attempt to build B plots (besides Draaga still trying to get to Earth) or to dredge up old continuity (aside from one stray reference to Superman's battle with Matrix seven months back in Action Comics #644), and instead seeks to drive home a very simple conflict: Clark realizes that Superman hasn't actually won in any of his recent encounters (note: even the space worm he destroyed died accidentally -- that wasn't his intent) and so, after much knock 'em sock 'em fighting, he gets a win: Even if the Federal Government ultimately lets her go in exchange for a non-aggression treaty promising that Maxima will not attack again. And, of course, even if winning came as the result of a back-handed bitch smack: Holy geez, Superman. But this is very much the point (and pretty much the only aspect of this story that warrants making it part of "The Day of the Krypton Man"): Clark is not himself and is slowly turning into an emotionless, honorless, logic-driven monster: (side note: I indicated in my last review that I've always loved the Krypton Man costume. Let me clarify that I love it minus the shaving cream sleeves) I still think this "The Day of the Krypton Man" thing is meaningless commercialism -- there is no storyline; just a loose theme running throughout these issues. How disappointing. Still, the action was first rate and, while I'm still not sure there's anything all that impressive about Maxima as a character, Perez and Gammill truly make her come alive with their art. Her face is always incredibly expressively wicked and real-looking. This was a very visual issue. Considering that I'm a writer at heart and struggle to notice comic art much of the time, it really says something that even I got that from this story. Important Details:- Superman captures Maxima, but the Federal Government steps in and releases her in exchange for a planetary non-aggression pact. - Maxima is biologically compatible with Superman and able to bare his children, implying that Earth women are not and cannot. Minor Details:- It is explained that Superman's battle with Draaga on War World ( in Action Comics Annual #2) is what first brought Superman to Maxima's attention. - We're given a backstory on Maxima's homeworld of Almerac -- a world devoted to conquest and eugenic breeding, taking the most prime genetic specimens from their conquests and mating with them to become stronger. - Sazu is sent somewhere off-world as punishment for her defiance against Maxima in Action Comics #645. - Nice to still be exploring the ramifications of the Invasion storyline from twelve months earlier. It actually hasn't been mentioned in the Superman titles for ages now, so this revisiting, noting that humans are still living in fear in the aftermath, is impressive. Though why isn't ANYONE talking about the devastating tidal wave that swept through Metropolis only four months ago? - Michael Eury signs his name as the person responding to letters on the letter page this issue. Not sure if he's been doing this all along or is just now taking over. Either way, what role does he have in this office? I always assumed this was something the associate editor would take care of. So, better question -- what does Jon Peterson actually do (and what did Renee Witterstaeter do before him)? Plot synopsis: Clark is becoming less and less human as he becomes increasingly aware that his staff at Newstime fears him and decides that this is efficient. He has ordered a feature on the alien origins of many of Earth's superheroes as a means of combating the fear of aliens still prevalent in the wake of Invasion. Meanwhile, Maxima returns to Earth, enacts revenge on Sazu by sending her somewhere off planet, and then throws down with Superman after he refuses to become her mate. Her emphasis on emotions and physicality only further drive Clark towards the Kryptonian influence pervading his mind. He suddenly dons a Kryptonian costume and takes out Maxima. She is then extracated by the Federal Government in exchange for a non-aggression treaty between Earth and Almerac, and the Krypton-influenced Clark feels this is a logical solution.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 10:07:32 GMT -5
By the way, I've generally been on top of tracking Superman's Post-Crisis Powers and Abilities but I don't have anything in regard to Super Breath until now. Has Superman used this power previously? In fact, has he ever used his freeze breath anywhere in a Post-Crisis story? I wouldn't expect anyone here to remember specifics, but maybe even just a vague recollection?
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 11:28:54 GMT -5
So, by the way, the "Still Only 75 cents!" caption has begun appearing on the Superman title covers, and I'm really confused about this. By 1990, every other DC title was selling for $1.00 (or more if it was a direct sales Baxter book), and, though Superman and Adventures of Superman haven't run Statements of Ownership and Circulation for a while now, Action Comics #649 just did, and it shows sales of nearly 217,000 copies for the most recent issue (double where the title was at the height of Byrne's run). So, if the Superman titles aren't desperate for readers/sales, why is DC keeping the cover price so low and advertising it? Are they trying to attract more readers in an effort to match Batman's sales (which, in 1990, would have been off the chart)? I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts or knowledge in regard to this. I gave this some more thought today, and I think I have the answer. Prior to 1990, the Superman books were closely aligned but each had their own identity and each told their own stories. I'm assuming this "still only 75 cents" promotion (which runs throughout 1990) was designed to help promote the new inter-title storytelling the Superman Office was trying for 1990. Essentially, they wanted to encourage readers to start picking up all three Superman books instead of one, and keeping the prices low might make such a move more enticing. Speaking from my own experience as a ten year old at the time who first started reading Superman that year, I now recall in hindsight that the 75 cent cover price was definitely the deciding factor for me.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 21, 2016 13:42:43 GMT -5
Superman #42 The Day of the Krypton Man, Part IV: "Krypton Man" writer/pencils: Jerry Ordway inks: Dennis Janke colors: Glenn Whitmore letters: John Costanza assoc. editor: Jon Peterson editor: Mike Carlin grade: B- First off, a moment of nostalgia for me. This was the first Superman comic I ever bought or read. At the age of 10, that Ordway cover and new costume caught my attention fast. I was convinced that Superman was changing his costume (and maybe name) permanently because, you know, I was a stupid ten year old. It's interesting to now contrast the series my adult self has been reading and analyzing for the first time against my memories of first entering at this point as a kid. I didn't understand a lot of what was happening in this issue, but I did understand that Clark was choosing an identity more aligned with his Kryptonian heritage. As a kid, I thought this made total sense because, not having been part of three years worth of continuity (nor, for that matter, the past few months of continuity) I didn't understand that Krypton was now bad; a place that "deserved to blow up". Suffice to say, this issue didn't make a regular reader out of me, but I came back again for Dark Knight Over Metropolis, and that storyline ended up being a lot more accessible to me. As for "The Day of the Krypton Man" storyline itself, it now appears that the Superman Office's first big multi-title story arc can be easily summed up as "three aliens all conveniently decided to travel to Earth in search of Superman at the same time, he fights each one off [two with very little excitement], and decides he's The Krypton Man." Not much of a story there. Hopefully, the final two chapters will add a little bit more to the mix. So this issue marks the third of Superman's battle royals with aliens who have come to Earth in search of him. But the big final showdown between Supes and Draaga that we've been awaiting for ages now doesn't end up doing all that much for me. Once again, Ordway is giving the whole thing a Wrestlemania feel with the poses he draws, as well as the cameras and circling helicopters broadcasting the whole thing, but it lacks the kind of kinetic energy and pacing Perez gave to the battle with Maxima. Honestly, it's dull. However, it's nice to see us getting back to tidying up some of the final loose ends left behind from the Byrne era. Looks like Jose Delgado is about to become Gangbuster again, and waaaaaaay back when Cat Grant first started dating Morgan Edge, we got all sorts of foreshadowing that something terrible was going to happen to her son. I think we're finally going there: And Ordway is mindful of several little details that made me smile in this issue. For example, this billboard keeps popping up as of late, and this time Kraamdan and Draaga have driven right into it: It's one of several reminders Ordway gives us in this issue that Luthor still controls Metropolis, even after his embarrassing three part loss during the Brainiac Trilogy (lost to Brainiac, was nearly convicted of working with Brainiac, was saved by Superman). Clearly, we haven't heard the last from Luthor. And, of course, Ordway just had to keep this running joke going just a little bit longer: So, not a terrible issue. I like what Ordway is trying to do with the Wrestlemania feel, and I enjoy his attention to detail, but this issue still bored me. Interestingly though, it foreshadows several things we'll see used again during the infamous Doomsday storyline two years from now -- an alien come to Earth looking to battle Superman, and en epic battle royal ensuing that visually resembles this one pretty closely. Important Details:- Clark has now fully embraced the Krypton Man persona (though he only calls himself Kal-El) - Mannheim, Morgan Edge's employee controlling Intergang for him, is now disregarding Edge's orders and putting out a hit on Cat Grant, Clark Kent, and Lois Lane expressly against Edge's directives. - Intergang has ties to Qurac (we haven't heard from them in a while!) that they are looking to cement with an arms deal. Minor Details:- It really irks me what an overly convenient narrative tool Professor Hamilton has become to the Superman Office. When he was first introduced in Adventures of Superman #424, Hamilton was a poor scientist who had spent years perfecting one invention. Now he's creating brilliant sci-fi gadgetry practically once a month and with seemingly limitless resources. Yes, he's now got a job with STAR labs (that we never see him go to), but that laboratory we saw while he was working on Jimmy Olsen's elasticity condition looked like a multi-million dollar private complex made up of scientific innovations decades beyond even where we are now in 2016. Anyway, here is his scientific brilliance extended beyond the realm of believability once again in this issue: - I found it hilarious that Kraamdan comes from a race that reveres G'Nort as a god. Is this coming out of something that happened in Justice League (my review thread for that title isn't up to 1990 yet), or is this just something Ordway added for fun? Green Lantern volume 3 hasn't hit stands yet, so I know nothing happened there. Plot synopsis in one sentence: Clark has now fully embraced his new Kryptonian identity and goes to seek Draaga, who is in Times Square and demanding to fight Superman. Professor Hamilton decides to teleport them away from New York City so as to protect the innocent and figure out what's wrong with Superman, but his experiment goes awry and ends up teleporting them both on the moon, along with the top of the Statue of Liberty, where Superman is about to deliver the killing blow as astronauts broadcast the feed to television stations on Earth. Meanwhile, Mannheim has reactivated Intergang's file on Cat Grant and is putting a hit out on her despite Morgan Edge's orders for Intergang to lie low while he faces trial.
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 21, 2016 23:08:10 GMT -5
While I agree with MRP that the actual death of Superman was not a great story... "Reign of the Supermen" definitely was... and it gave us two great characters (Steel and the best modern Superboy), and two pretty good villains. Also, marketing wise, I think Hal going crazy/Zero Hour was the tipping point... Superman dying was just the start... we've got Batman getting replaced, The Artemis years of Wonder Woman, the Clone Saga, and the Crossing still years in the future .. never mind Extreme Justice. Death was an enjoyable buy stupid slugfest, Funeral was the heart, Reign was the superfun action.
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 21, 2016 23:53:30 GMT -5
By the way, I've generally been on top of tracking Superman's Post-Crisis Powers and Abilities but I don't have anything in regard to Super Breath until now. Has Superman used this power previously? In fact, has he ever used his freeze breath anywhere in a Post-Crisis story? I wouldn't expect anyone here to remember specifics, but maybe even just a vague recollection? I don't remember if we'd seen plain ol' super-breath at this point, but we've seen him suck poison gas into his lungs and expel it into space twice (Man of Steel 2 and Batman: Death in the Family...something about hanging with Batman seems to vastly increase the odds of poison clouds).
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Post by shaxper on Jun 22, 2016 6:55:51 GMT -5
By the way, I've generally been on top of tracking Superman's Post-Crisis Powers and Abilities but I don't have anything in regard to Super Breath until now. Has Superman used this power previously? In fact, has he ever used his freeze breath anywhere in a Post-Crisis story? I wouldn't expect anyone here to remember specifics, but maybe even just a vague recollection? I don't remember if we'd seen plain ol' super-breath at this point, but we've seen him suck poison gas into his lungs and expel it into space twice (Man of Steel 2 and Batman: Death in the Family...something about hanging with Batman seems to vastly increase the odds of poison clouds). Now I get to figure out what the heck to call that for the Powers/Abilities section, because "Super Sucking" just isn't going to do it.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 22, 2016 8:57:09 GMT -5
Another update...
Old Byrne Plot Points Still Left Unresolved (as of Superman #42, April 1990)
Needs to be resolved:
- There has now been a laboratory floating in orbit of Earth containing ALL of Superman's secret information since Superman #1, and yet no one has noticed it yet.
- Elinore Lane (Lois' mother) is still battling a deadly illness. Luthor is controlling Lois in exchange for treating her mom.
- Amanda McCoy is trying to prove that Clark Kent is Superman and was inadvertently involved in the death of the private detective aiding her (coming up in "Dark Knight Over Metropolis")
- When is Perry going to learn his "son" Jerry is the biological son of Lex Luthor? (probably coming up in "Soul Search")
- What's up with the new director of STAR labs who was implied to be shady and have questionable motives? And is STAR labs still under the control of Morgan Edge's company?
- Luthor and the Kryptonite radiation (coming up in Action Comics #660)
Getting addressed right now:
- Jose as Gangbuster.
- Jimmy Olsen and Project Cadmus / search for his father
- Cat Grant's son. We had some serious foreshadowing that things were going to go bad for that young man.
Probably should be revisited:
-Jimmy Olsen dating Lucy Lane (last mentioned in Superman #4)
-Will there ever be a "real" Bizarro in the Post-Crisis, or are we stuck with the lame clone concept we got in Man of Steel #5?
-Lois and Superman shared a kiss during The Earth Stealers
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Post by shaxper on Jun 22, 2016 12:24:24 GMT -5
I just had to do this... (scans from Adventures of Superman #465 -- review forthcoming)
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