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Post by shaxper on Jun 30, 2019 10:49:47 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #472 (November 1990) "Clark Kent -- Man of Steel!" script: Dan Jurgens Pencils: Dan Jurgens (layouts); Art Thibert (finishes) Inks: Art Thibert Colors: Glenn Whitmore Letters: Albert DeGuzman Grade: A- Two weeks ago, this issue of Amazing Spider-Man hit the stands: What an interesting coincidence. I wonder who was aping who. Anyway, whereas Ordway wasn't interested in devoting too much time to the main plot last issue, all Jurgens spends his time doing in these pages is exploring what it means for Superman to no longer have the powers of Superman. We see Clark struggle through the mundane: the absurd: and the terrifying: before discovering that what Superman is comes from within and not from the rays of our yellow sun: His bluffing Mamoth is (on the one hand) hard to believe, and (on the other) a testament to just how much of his super power is his own strength of will and character. Who else would have the guts to try that? And Clark gets an opportunity to show off his non-super powered talents in other parts of the issue as well, escaping from a death trap with the power of his mind, for example: We have come so far from Byrne's run, in which Superman was just an ordinary guy with powers. Now the clear message is that the powers are not at all what makes him truly extraordinary: It's inspiring, and it shows far more focus and commitment to this story arc than Ordway was giving us. A pleasant change of pace! Important Details:- Barrage was being shipped off to "the island" last issue, but I'm not sure Stryker's Island was mentioned by name, nor even really explained, prior to this issue: And why was Barrage released from there prior to last issue, anyway?? - When we'd met and learned about Lois Lane's father previously, it was always the cold, overly demanding, unsupporting side of the character. Here Jurgens fleshes him out and shows that (like real people) there is more than one aspect to the man: Minor Details:- This is not the first time the Post-Crisis Superman has fought Mamoth, but I'm still confused as to what a New Teen Titans villain is doing in these pages? Why not use someone from the extensive Superman rogues gallery, or invent someone new? - Apparently, we're not done making this joke yet: - Clark reminds us that (unlike his Pre-Crisis counterpart) he had no super powers as a child, and thus is at least a little prepared for this. - Clark reminds us that he sees himself truly as Clark Kent, not as Superman. - Clark panicking that Maggie Sawyers' special team's barrage on Mamoth will kill him is a cheap mislead when we get this panel a page later: Boooo! - Okay, I'm working to accept the idea that Professor Hamilton can advance countless fields of science on his own in one apartment with no assistants to the extent that he always has cool new devices and analyzing instruments to further the plot along, but what is he doing with rope and a grappling hook in his apartment?? - Wouldn't a powerless Superman still have a somewhat different genetic make-up? - My favorite panel of the issue. Jurgens truly draws Superman differently as an ordinary, non-powered being, no different from you and I ...at least until he rediscovers his inner hero during that fight with Mamoth. Solid issue all around!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 30, 2019 18:26:50 GMT -5
Clark didn't have fully developed superpowers, as a child, post-Crisis; but, he is not entirely "normal," either. In Man of Steel #1, Byrne has him run down buy a bull, but survives unharmed, when he was 8 years-old. Then, he is shown lifting the back end of Jonathan's pick-up, to retrieve his ball. By his adolescence, his x-ray vision has manifested and so has his flight. His strength and speed allows him to become a football hero, in high school, leading Jonathan to tell him the truth of his origins. Byrne established that he was a living solar battery and that he grew more powerful as he aged and absorbed more sunlight. So, the powers are there, at the start, just at lower levels. That shaving panel brings to mind the work of Liberatore(from a slightly different angle)...
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2019 21:45:48 GMT -5
- Wouldn't a powerless Superman still have a somewhat different genetic make-up? To answer your question with a question... wouldn't the easiest way for a near-omnipowerful imp to remove a Kryptonian's powers is to make them physically like an Earthman?
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Post by Chris on Jun 30, 2019 22:49:52 GMT -5
...we're not talking about roughly two pages per week for the Superman Office. As I proved, it works out to pretty much exactly two pages per week, whether Swan was swamped with other work for DC or desperate for more. Don't you find that peculiar? Not really. 2 pages a week - or rather, 8 pages a month is a not-unheard-of amount of pages for a comics artist. When you factor in the other work he was doing, that often came to about 30 pages a month, a little less than Swan was doing just a few years earlier but still more than many artists produce in a month. Also, there may have been the consideration of not taking too many pages away from the other current Superman artists. And yet they put him on a prestige format Superman book right off the bat. Not exactly hiding him, nor were they doing so when they gave him the center page feature of ACW, nor when they gave him Curt Swan Week. They're giving him work, and it's high profile, but they are doing as little as possible to acknowledge it. A very very strange set of circumstances. The first "new" Superman issue, Man of Steel #1, was published with a cover date of October 1986. The Earth Stealers prestige format book was cover dated May 1988. I wouldn't call a full year-and-a-half later "right off the bat." Up until then Swan's Superman work was pretty much limited to the Superman IV movie adaptation, and I really don't think anyone can call that "high profile." Swan was pretty much off the radar until Earth Stealers and ACW. If we wanna get conspiratorial here, note that Swan likely would have begun work on Earth Stealers and ACW around the same time, or not too long after, Andy Helfer was off the Superman books. Hmm... Of course, but when did DC ever voluntarily do right by any of the creators that made it great? Thus my theory that Swan's two pages per week for Superman, his medical benefits, and his pleading for more work all ties in to a legal settlement. I do agree it's odd that this two pages per week business doesn't seem to apply to other DC books, at least until 1993. Perhaps there was a legal appeal on the part of DC to modify the terms of the settlement? Of course, this is all speculation. We don't even know for sure that there was a settlement, or even a court case for that matter. We only know there was a heavily involved lawyer representing Swan. It didn't apply to other books because Swan was (usually) assigned to draw entire issues of other books, and likely couldn't handle an additional Superman title on a regular basis (even when Swan was drawing two books a month every month, that was when page counts were a bit shorter). Swan was not assigned to Superman, other people were, and they presumably had contracts guaranteeing them a minimum number of pages, which Carlin and DC couldn't take away to give to Swan without a good reason. Swan got a bit of extra work in issues like Superman #35 because of things like artist Kerry Gammill being too slow. Again, what we do know for sure is: 1) Swan was doing pretty much exactly two pages per week for the Superman Office, regardless of how busy he was or was not. 2) Mike Gold suggested the creative team could not produce more than that while Stern hadn't yet assumed full duties at The Superman Office and Swan was begging for more work (even while, admittedly, he was taking on other odd jobs for DC -- seldom regular penciling chores). The plot progressed so slowly and only contained so much dialogue per installment that I'd be surprised if Stern didn't write the whole thing in one or two sittings, or at least didn't commit more than an hour to scripting each week's two pages. I'm an amateur writer, and I could have done those with reasonably similar quality in that amount of time. The true time commitment would have been Swan penciling those two pages each week. I also can't imagine Swan was saying "Hey, I'd love to do more Superman again, but I'm really invested in this M.A.S.K. toy licensing project right now) 3) Swan had a lawyer that was (at least according to Byrne) inserting himself into pretty much any conversation had with Swan. I have heard several times that Swan was asking for more work. I can't recall ever seeing anyone claim Swan was specifically asking for more Superman work. Maybe he was, I don't know. But I wouldn't say he "seldom" had other penciling jobs. Swan's time on M.A.S.K. lasted for something like 9 months, and after ACW ended in that iteration, Swan did 5 issues and a Special of Aquaman, which as far as I can tell, was intended to be an ongoing series. Swan even did at least one extra feature in ACW - the one I'm thinking of was in #641, which had a character in the "Nova" costume that Superman once used in an issue of World's Finest (drawn by Swan, or course). After Aquaman and before Superboy: The Comic Book, Swan kept busy drawing for Secret Origins and various Superman stuff, and I think he did a bit with the Legion of Super-Heroes in there as well. And as someone noted elsewhere in the thread, toy tie-ins probably paid better than books like Superman or Action Comics. It appears to me that the period was Swan was doing the least amount of Superman work while not picking up a lot of other work was in 1988, after Earth Stealers. As you noted yourself, 1988 was a pretty jumpy time for the Superman line. You even pointed out an issue that seemed to be cut-and-pasted from 2 issues into 1, complete with a separate inker on some of the pages. You mentioned once that Byrne's work read like "a man who knows his days are numbered"... no doubt a few other people, or at least editor Mike Carlin, knew it too, and was scrambling. I doubt that had much chance to figure out where to fit in Swan with all that going on. Also, Swan did do a few things during that time that I had forgotten about. At least one issue of New Titans with Marv Wolfman, and I believe work on Secret Origins and (I think) a bit of Legion work. And don't forget the commissioned issue of Superman that Swan did for that rich guy's kid. I do have to say, however, that while I'm not convinced of your case here, you do have me wondering just what all was going on. There definitely are some curiosities here. I'm willing to bet that using the corner box of each part of the Sinbad Trilogy" to promote Curt Swan Month" when even the letter column wasn't mentioning it was not an idea that came from management. If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say that might have been something of a coincidence. At the same time time they planned the Swan 3-parter, Swan filled in for Jim Mooney on Superboy while Mooney was sick. Then again, it could have been planned that way all along, and Mooney didn't fall ill until he was supposed to return with issue #11. But you might be right with your management comment. On a semi-related note, I really wished at the time that they would have had Kurt Schaffenberger draw some Superman stories back then.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2019 8:14:32 GMT -5
...we're not talking about roughly two pages per week for the Superman Office. As I proved, it works out to pretty much exactly two pages per week, whether Swan was swamped with other work for DC or desperate for more. Don't you find that peculiar? Not really. 2 pages a week - or rather, 8 pages a month is a not-unheard-of amount of pages for a comics artist. When you factor in the other work he was doing, that often came to about 30 pages a month, a little less than Swan was doing just a few years earlier but still more than many artists produce in a month. Also, there may have been the consideration of not taking too many pages away from the other current Superman artists. But still... exactly two pages per week from at least May 1988 thru October 1990 (and that's just the window of time in which I was tracking it). That includes when Perez was suddenly not meeting deadlines and the Superman Office absolutely needed last minute fill-in work, as well as the huge reshuffling of staff that occurred in the wake of both Byrne and Perez's departures. And if the logic for why Swan didn't get any of that work was that his approach was too closely aligned with the Pre-Crisis, than why did he get The Sinbad Contract crossover? None of this adds up for me unless 1) he truly didn't care about getting more Superman work and was just as happy working on these other titles, AND 2) he decided he would give exactly two pages per week to Superman on top of that and never say "Okay, I'll do one more just this month" or "I just can't get to it this time around," AND 3) DC agreed to keep giving him such work out of the kindness of its heart, even while it was clearly highly disruptive to the Superman Office's plans at many times, AND 4) the lawyer working for Swan that Byrne claimed was a constant presence in all conversations with Curt had pretty much no involvement in any of this. Unless I'm missing something, your explanation seems even less likely than mine. If he wrote the Earth Stealers at 2 pages per week, then he had a high profile Superman job pretty much right off the bat in the Post-Crisis. Interesting point! But if he was writing Earth Stealers at 2 pages per week, then he would have begun it under Helfer. But, again, exactly two pages of Superman content per week. That's why it seems more likely to me that they worked around his Superman pages rather than that Swan worked around them when they failed to meet deadlines. I think I did a pretty good job of addressing all of this above. I'm sure you'll let me know if I didn't YES! Are you suggesting Mooney faked an illness to get Swan additional work? Generally speaking, it would have been nice to have the Post-Crisis DC use some of those giant anniversary issues to offer a C or D story written and drawn in a throwback style by the Pre-Crisis writers and artists. I would have loved that.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2019 11:34:17 GMT -5
Starman (1988) #28 (November 1990) "Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite, Part Two/A: The End of a Legend?" script: Roger Stern Pencils: Dave Hoover Inks: Scott Hanna Colors: Tom McCraw Letters: Bob Pinaha grade: A- Nope, not that Starman, but some of us have love for Will Payton too! It's been exactly a year since Batman had a high-profile bordered crossover event that incorporated a lower profile title as a means of cross promotion: In that case, it was a high profile franchise everyone knew with a pricey direct market-exclusive title that many folks weren't buying. This time around, we are dealing with a far more accessible newsstand title that very few readers are following because they don't know the character. Superman made a guest appearance waaaay back in Starman #14 as a means of lending the title some sales, but that adventure had no real impact on the Superman titles. This time around, this is a critical chapter with a lot going on, and it depends pretty heavily on this critical event from the aforementioned Starman #14: Well, of course it doesn't work this time (that would end this storyline far too fast!), but the crossover is still well-earned. Stern writes Starman like Superman's younger, spunky brother, and it's so charming that, when I read this as an adolescent, I immediately went out and started reading the Will Payton Starman. We also get a few pages showing us the supporting characters in Will's world, and they come off similarly rich in characterization. It's a really really good sales pitch for the series. But the absolute highlight of this issue is Starman impersonating Superman as a means of convincing Luthor and Metropolis that everything is fine: It's really been a bad couple of weeks for Luthor! This little impersonation is even more meaningful if you read and remember that first meeting between Superman and Starman, specifically where Superman advises that: Boy are we glad that he did! Obviously, this solution is only temporary, so Professor Hamilton offers yet another alternative: While Superman in super armor is a pretty cool concept (and it's about to make an amazing cover), I have to shake my head at the level of disbelief we are regularly asked to afford to Professor Hamilton, once again. Hamilton took the inspiration from Luthor, but made the hardware himself. So not only is the guy advancing numerous sciences by leaps and bounds, and doing it single-handedly, how in the world is he purchasing and manufacturing this kind of tech? Even if he's selling patents to make rent, this kind of a suit would likely cost millions to manufacture. Everything else about the Post-Crisis Superman is so real and believable. There have even been serious efforts made to realistically explain how his powers work, but this kind of tech would make more sense coming out of S.T.A.R. Labs. Finally, the big reveal in this issue (which Chris more or less called) is that the "red kryptonite" is totally bogus. Mxyzptlk depowered Superman directly and, I suspect, is more interested in somehow using this to get back at Luthor for their past history than at Superman. Is it bad that I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Luthor with all that's happening to him? Important Details: - We get our first glimpse of Stryker's Island. Looks like we're about to see a pretty interesting story go down there: Minor Details: - Why is this part Two/A? It's a legitimate installment in the storyline where the plot advances (far more significantly than it did in Part One). I'm sure it's all going to get recapped next issue, but still...
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 1, 2019 12:04:48 GMT -5
Adventures of Superman #472 (November 1990) There's a quick flashback in this issue when Lois recalls Luthor assisting with her mother's recovery. "The doctors were helpless, but Luthor personally developed a serum to save her life!" For the most part, we've been expected to regard Luthor as someone who possesses great business intelligence as well as the engineering smarts required to design the Lex-Wing, but I've never been quite sure how he compares with his pre-Crisis self in terms of overall genius. In Action Comics 599, Luthor refers to himself as an "accomplished scientist" and indeed, in that issue he creates a Kryptonoid Man with which to attack Superman and in Adventures 472, we seem him in his lab coat mixing chemicals as if it's his nature to perform all sorts of miracles in any given afternoon, but he's also been presented as intellectually limited in other areas as well. Firstly, Luthor donning the kryptonite ring which is now on the verge of killing him stems from his simply taking the word of LexCorp scientists that it's radiation wasn't harmful to humans. Indeed, he once again takes his scientists words in this storyline that the red kryptonite Mxyzptlk gives him is similarly harmless. I would think that if Luthor is going to wear a potentially harmful ring day and night and is concerned about its radioactive properties, he's going to be the one doing the testing and not delegating such responsibilities to underlings. I think therefore, it's safe to say that Luthor isn't smart enough to carry out such tests himself and has to trust others. Secondly, I recall that when it came to creating Bizarro in Byrne's continuity, Luthor once again let Dr. Teng do all the work as if the science were over his head. Once again, we have Luthor operating at nowhere near the level of his pre-Crisis self. All this leaves me confused as to how smart the post-Crisis Luthor is supposed to be. He's smart enough to come up with a serum to cure Lois' mother (though that may turn out to be a ruse, there's no doubt that he's regarded as someone smart enough to do such a thing by Lois Lane herself) and smart enough to build the giant Kryptonoid Man, but give him a piece of kryptonite to analyze and he's out of his field. Has it ever been established just how intelligent he is?
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Post by zaku on Jul 1, 2019 15:12:25 GMT -5
Secondly, I recall that when it came to creating Bizarro in Byrne's continuity, Luthor once again let Dr. Teng do all the work as if the science were over his head. Once again, we have Luthor operating at nowhere near the level of his pre-Crisis self. All this leaves me confused as to how smart the post-Crisis Luthor is supposed to be. He's smart enough to come up with a serum to cure Lois' mother (though that may turn out to be a ruse, there's no doubt that he's regarded as someone smart enough to do such a thing by Lois Lane herself) and smart enough to build the giant Kryptonoid Man, but give him a piece of kryptonite to analyze and he's out of his field. Has it ever been established just how intelligent he is? Well, probably post-crisis the All-Knowing-Mad-Scientist trope was considered an overused cliché. And, like they toned down Superman's powers, they did the same with Luthor's intelligence. And now let me quote myself about pre-crisis Luthor...
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 1, 2019 18:26:46 GMT -5
Secondly, I recall that when it came to creating Bizarro in Byrne's continuity, Luthor once again let Dr. Teng do all the work as if the science were over his head. Once again, we have Luthor operating at nowhere near the level of his pre-Crisis self. All this leaves me confused as to how smart the post-Crisis Luthor is supposed to be. He's smart enough to come up with a serum to cure Lois' mother (though that may turn out to be a ruse, there's no doubt that he's regarded as someone smart enough to do such a thing by Lois Lane herself) and smart enough to build the giant Kryptonoid Man, but give him a piece of kryptonite to analyze and he's out of his field. Has it ever been established just how intelligent he is? Well, probably post-crisis the All-Knowing-Mad-Scientist trope was considered an overused cliché. And, like they toned down Superman's powers, they did the same with Luthor's intelligence. Too much so, IMO. I think the pre- Crisis Luthor's a bit too unbelievable, but I still like the idea of the character having keen scientific aptitude/acumen. That aspect of the character was so de-emphasized post- Crisis that it was all but undetectable, especially after Wolfman left.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 1, 2019 20:37:24 GMT -5
Well, probably post-crisis the All-Knowing-Mad-Scientist trope was considered an overused cliché. And, like they toned down Superman's powers, they did the same with Luthor's intelligenceAnd that's the part which confuses me here - Byrne seemed to make it clear that Luthor had great business acumen, a skill for manipulation, and the intelligence required to come up with the LexWing, but that was about the height of his brilliance - anything else, such as creating Bizarro, finding out what Clark Kent's connection was to Superman, examining kryptonite - those were areas his intelligence couldn't quite probe into. Gone was the Luthor who was a genius at "science" with "science" being defined as everything from being an expert at chemistry, biology, robotics, quantum mechanics, botany, time travel, etc, etc. Post-Crisis, Luthor seemed to have certain limitations placed on him and I'm just curious as to what those limitations were. Could he singlehandedly create a kryptonite ray, enlarging ray, 2-D or 3-D ray, etc? I would have thought "no way" during the start of Byrne's run since he's a guy who needs others to do such things for him, but towards the end of Byrne's stint, he's got Luthor in lab coat creating the giant Kryptonoid Man and here he's mixing chemicals together to cure some disease no other doctor can as if it's child's play. I'm wondering if this was something that just sort of eased it's way into Post-Crisis continuity or if it had been established following Byrne's Man of Steel and I happened to miss it.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2019 22:12:16 GMT -5
For the most part, we've been expected to regard Luthor as someone who possesses great business intelligence as well as the engineering smarts required to design the Lex-Wing, but I've never been quite sure how he compares with his pre-Crisis self in terms of overall genius. My original assumption had been that he was brilliant, but brilliantly concluded that there was more money and power to be amassed owning the lab than being the top scientist working in it. However, I always found it interesting that Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography doesn't show Luthor as ever having been a scientist. He acquires an empire, and then his company begins inventing things. He has an interest in science (as you mention), but the Unauthorized Biography also has him amass his early fortune while in the seventh grade, so it's questionable whether he even received a high school education. He actually struggles with this and specifically recalls what happened with the first chunk of Kryptonite before deciding to take the leap of faith in Mxyzptlk (only after his scientist has confirmed the "red kryptonite" isn't radiating anything). Could just as easily be arrogance. Maybe both. Again, is it ignorance, or arrogance? Luthor probably has someone brush his teeth for him, too. Doesn't necessarily mean he can't do it himself. Also, in science, there are many disappointments before a success finally happens. Could be Luthor doesn't ever want to be seen failing by his underlings. Let's go with the same comparison the cover to Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography makes. Donald Trump is no genius from an academic perspective. It's reasonable to assume the man is actually quite ignorant in that respect. But he has an innate sense when it comes to business, enough so that he can run businesses into the ground and still walk away rich and with enthusiastic new investors. Whether or not Luthor knows his way around a lab is irrelevant in a world where he can rule everything by making stock values go up. Is he making the brilliant choice to look to business for power instead of science, or is he merely gifted in the right ways to thrive in the era of big business? I'm not sure it matters so long as he has brilliant people who will do the work for him. I think the most we've been given about this comes from Adventures of Superman #425. Here is what I wrote then:
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2019 22:16:49 GMT -5
And that's the part which confuses me here - Byrne seemed to make it clear that Luthor had great business acumen, a skill for manipulation, and the intelligence required to come up with the LexWing, but that was about the height of his brilliance - anything else, such as creating Bizarro, finding out what Clark Kent's connection was to Superman, examining kryptonite - those were areas his intelligence couldn't quite probe into. Gone was the Luthor who was a genius at "science" with "science" being defined as everything from being an expert at chemistry, biology, robotics, quantum mechanics, botany, time travel, etc, etc. Post-Crisis, Luthor seemed to have certain limitations placed on him and I'm just curious as to what those limitations were. Could he singlehandedly create a kryptonite ray, enlarging ray, 2-D or 3-D ray, etc? I would have thought "no way" during the start of Byrne's run since he's a guy who needs others to do such things for him, but towards the end of Byrne's stint, he's got Luthor in lab coat creating the giant Kryptonoid Man and here he's mixing chemicals together to cure some disease no other doctor can as if it's child's play. Keep in mind that even the Lexwing and this cure for Lois' mother may have been created by Luthor's people and not the man himself. Would it be so out of character for him to take credit for the work of others? Remember how Prof. Hamilton came to hate him. Again, The Unauthorized Biography establishes Luthor coming into his first fortune and building the basis of his empire while in the seventh grade. So unless he built the Lexwing before that (my own Post-Crisis Superman timeline has him in his late 20s or early 30s when the Lexwing came out, which Prof. Hamilton said happened in the 1970s), he probably had others design it for him.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 1, 2019 22:41:17 GMT -5
I loved Will Payton; but, I don't know which was uglier; the yellow and purple asymmetrical costume or the black and red one. The upside down star never really worked well, on either (I don't think a 5-pointed star was the way to go, here). Loved Tom Lyle's art; but, some of his costume designs, not so much (he had much better in The Comet, in the Impact line).
Whatever happened to Tom Lyle? After his stint at Marvel, I heard that he was teaching at the Savannah College of Art and Design; but, hadn't heard if he was still there or not. met him once, in Augusta, GA, just after Starman started up. I was already a fan, after his work on Strike!, at Eclipse.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 1, 2019 22:47:22 GMT -5
I loved Will Payton; but, I don't know which was uglier; the yellow and purple asymmetrical costume or the black and red one. I loved the black and red one. The design was overly simplistic, but the colors were bold and effective for me. That first costume was a nightmare on the level of Crazy Quilt, though. Tom Lyle did some other memorable work at DC, including Robin mini-series in 1990, as well as the unofficial sequel in Batman #467-469, Robin II: The Joker's Wild, and Robin III: Cry of the Huntress. But Wikipedia suggests your assumption is correct that he hasn't produced since Marvel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 1, 2019 23:47:05 GMT -5
I loved Will Payton; but, I don't know which was uglier; the yellow and purple asymmetrical costume or the black and red one. I loved the black and red one. The design was overly simplistic, but the colors were bold and effective for me. That first costume was a nightmare on the level of Crazy Quilt, though. Tom Lyle did some other memorable work at DC, including Robin mini-series in 1990, as well as the unofficial sequel in Batman #467-469, Robin II: The Joker's Wild, and Robin III: Cry of the Huntress. But Wikipedia suggests your assumption is correct that he hasn't produced since Marvel. Yeah, he had a nice run at DC, with Tim Drake's debut as Robin, in costume, and a few other things (The Comet, for the Dc/Archie Impact line), then Spider-Man at Marvel (including the Clone mess) and then he disappeared and I saw that he was at Savannah (really good school, too). I checked out their site and he is listed on the faculty, in the Sequential Art department , which was originally set up by Bo Hampton.
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